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Truthers and the FDNY

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ULTIMA1,

I have to ask this, why exactly would the FDNY blow up the building anyway? It doesn't make any sense.
 
Asking him to produce evidence for his many false claims is like asking a cat to recite Shakespeare...except the cat is more likely to recite Shakespeare.

I already know this, but one has to go through the motions to make sure that the lurkers have no doubt about the issue. At the moment he is throwing out claim after claim and unless he gets called on them and fails to back them up, some lurkers might accept the false claims he is making.
 
Fire chiefs or fire commanders do have the authority to demo buidlings in an emergency.

Do they have the authority to do it secretly and then lie about to the public, and then order everyone single member of the FDNY to particpate in this lie?

If not, then please explain why the FDNY has spent the last seven years telling the entire world that instead of "pulling" WTC7 for safety reasons, as you claim, WTC7 actually collapsed on its own as a result of damage and fire.
 
Bump in case ULTIMA1 decides to actually answer some of the above questions.
 
ULTIMA1,
I have to ask this, why exactly would the FDNY blow up the building anyway? It doesn't make any sense.

I have to ask why can't you be adult enough to accept the facts and evidence posted? I have posted why the building was brought down and is supported by statments by Chief Hayden.

They were worried about the building spreading fires and causing more damage.

Try checking out some facts on this site.
http://www.firehouse.com/terrorist/911/magazine/gz/hayden.html
 
Do they have the authority to do it secretly and then lie about to the public, and then order everyone single member of the FDNY to particpate in this lie?
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As stated dozens of times and you still refuse to listen or ignore.

Please be adult enough to contact the FDNY and ask them, unless you are afriad of the truth.
 
I have to ask why can't you be adult enough to accept the facts and evidence posted?

Insult ignored. So far you haven't posted any facts and evidence, you have merely made a lot of assertions and refused to back them up.

I have posted why the building was brought down and is supported by statments by Chief Hayden.

They were worried about the building spreading fires and causing more damage.

No where on the site you linked to does Hayden say that they were worried about the fire spreading and causing more damage, so what does he claim they were worried about?
 
No where on the site you linked to does Hayden say that they were worried about the fire spreading and causing more damage, so what does he claim they were worried about?

First, you really should learn to read.
Second, it is really fun and easy to prove you guys wrong with evidence.

http://www.firehouse.com/terrorist/911/magazine/gz/hayden.html
Firehouse: The building just south of that was the Marriott.
Hayden: Across the street. That�s what I was concerned about, that the fire would jump the streets.

We were concerned about the collapse of a 47-story building there. We were worried about additional collapse there of what was remaining standing of the towers and the Marriott, so we started pulling the people back after a couple of hours of surface removal and searches along the surface of the debris. We started to pull guys back because we were concerned for their safety.
 
I have to ask why can't you be adult enough to accept the facts and evidence posted? I have posted why the building was brought down and is supported by statments by Chief Hayden.

They were worried about the building spreading fires and causing more damage.

Try checking out some facts on this site.
http://www.firehouse.com/terrorist/911/magazine/gz/hayden.html

Wow. Where in his statements do you find any support for your ridiculous claims?

Firehouse: Chief Nigro said they made a collapse zone and wanted everybody away from number 7� did you have to get all of those people out?

Hayden: Yeah, we had to pull everybody back. It was very difficult. We had to be very forceful in getting the guys out. They didn�t want to come out. There were guys going into areas that I wasn�t even really comfortable with, because of the possibility of secondary collapses. We didn�t know how stable any of this area was. We pulled everybody back probably by 3 or 3:30 in the afternoon. We said, this building is going to come down, get back. It came down about 5 o�clock or so, but we had everybody backed away by then. At that point in time, it seemed like a somewhat smaller event, but under any normal circumstances, that�s a major event, a 47-story building collapsing. It seemed like a firecracker after the other ones came down, but I mean that�s a big building, and when it came down, it was quite an event. But having gone through the other two, it didn�t seem so bad. But that�s what we were concerned about. We had said to the guys, we lost as many as 300 guys. We didn�t want to lose any more people that day. And when those numbers start to set in among everybody� My feeling early on was we weren�t going to find any survivors. You either made it out or you didn�t make it out. It was a cataclysmic event. The idea of somebody living in that thing to me would have been only short of a miracle. This thing became geographically sectored because of the collapse. I was at West and Liberty. I couldn�t go further north on West Street. And I couldn�t go further east on Liberty because of the collapse of the south tower, so physically we were boxed in. But you could see the fires burning in 4, 5 and 6. They became fully involved. We had fire on the 15th floor of one of the high-rises. I gave a battalion chief two companies. I said go up there, put this fire out. I told him, don�t call for any help, don�t give any signals, just put the fire out and come back and tell me when the fire�s out. This is all you�re getting, put it out. Fortunately, you know, it wasn�t large, it was out one window. At some time that night, it was dark and I had had it. I went down and I got my eyes washed out. They took me to the eye station and then they took me to Bellevue. I had my eyes washed out and then I met up with my brother, who�s also a firefighter.
 
First, you really should learn to read.
Second, it is really fun and easy to prove you guys wrong with evidence.

http://www.firehouse.com/terrorist/911/magazine/gz/hayden.html
Firehouse: The building just south of that was the Marriott.
Hayden: Across the street. That�s what I was concerned about, that the fire would jump the streets.

We need to learn to read? That quote was not concerning WTC 7, it was concerning the fire in West 90.

Chief Mosier took the operations in 90 West. I gave him X amount of companies. I said just hold it, keep her from jumping the street.

Nice that you quoted this bit though...

We were concerned about the collapse of a 47-story building there. We were worried about additional collapse there of what was remaining standing of the towers and the Marriott, so we started pulling the people back after a couple of hours of surface removal and searches along the surface of the debris. We started to pull guys back because we were concerned for their safety.

They were concerned it was going to collapse... But hang on, you have been claiming that such a collapse would have been impossible. If steel buildings can't collapse from fire, why would the firefighters be concerned that WTC 7 was going to collapse?
 
They were concerned it was going to collapse... But hang on, you have been claiming that such a collapse would have been impossible. If steel buildings can't collapse from fire, why would the firefighters be concerned that WTC 7 was going to collapse?

I'll take this one Ultima...

Duh! Because they just put bombs in it!!11!11!!!!
 
As stated dozens of times and you still refuse to listen or ignore.

Please quote one of your dozens of posts in which you explain why the FDNY has consistently lied to the entire world about secretly demolishing WTC7. I must have missed them.

Please be adult enough to contact the FDNY and ask them, unless you are afriad of the truth.

Why would I contact the FDNY to substantiate your crackpot theory? Your claim, your burden.

So again, please explain why the FDNY has been lying about what happened at WTC7.
 
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Another Truther espousing demented and insulting theories of firefighter stupidity and/or cowardice:
Im not interested in Firefighters Opinions, Opinions are biased and i dont think most of them can handle the CD truth


You stay classy, GodisEnergy!
 
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First, you really should learn to read.
Second, it is really fun and easy to prove you guys wrong with evidence.

http://www.firehouse.com/terrorist/911/magazine/gz/hayden.html
Firehouse: The building just south of that was the Marriott.
Hayden: Across the street. That�s what I was concerned about, that the fire would jump the streets.

We were concerned about the collapse of a 47-story building there. We were worried about additional collapse there of what was remaining standing of the towers and the Marriott, so we started pulling the people back after a couple of hours of surface removal and searches along the surface of the debris. We started to pull guys back because we were concerned for their safety.

Chief Haydens prediction that WTC7 was going to fall on its own is proof that he had it blown up?

What are you on, Ultima?
 
Chief Haydens prediction that WTC7 was going to fall on its own is proof that he had it blown up?

What are you on, Ultima?

Ultima1 is missing from this forum. I guess his bosses at the NSA took matter into their own hands.
 
The place - a New York City firehouse. TIme - the present. You are about to enter
THE TRUTHER ZONE!

Demented Truther walks into FDNY firehouse.

One Usenet loon freely accuses firemen of being part if the crime. A couple of us have a standing offer of a Metro (subway) card and directions to the Union HQ where he can assert his allegations.

There is reason to believe this loon is local to NYC. His response, at best, is that we ar somehow connected to FDNY. So what? The other guy making the offer is an ex-NYC EMT. I just know a bunch of firemen and families of deceased firemen and other victims.
 
does anyone know who silverstein was talking to when he made the famous "pull it" phrase and has that fireman talked about what he and silvertein discussed openly?
 
Just when you thought he couldn't sink any lower:
no i dont think they were complicit, unless you count Criminal negligence as complicity


Yes, he's referring to the FDNY, and their role in the 9/11 attacks.

The mind reels from comprehending the amount of paranoia and hatred it must take for him to come to such a deranged conclusion.
 
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The mind reels from comprehending the amount of paranoia and hatred it must take for him to come to such a deranged conclusion.

You can also throw stupidity in the mix with the paranoia and hatred. It's the holy trinity of conspiracists.
 
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