Obama's Weak Leadership, Biden's Record

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A month or so ago I complained about all of the Obama threads. Ever since she was tapped, this forum has been swamped with Palin threads.

I saw my high school government teacher last week, and he said he was voting for Obama. Obama! With exhausted breath he said, "I have to." He claimed that even Noam Chomsky is encouraging people to vote for Obama. So my acid-freak elders are going to hold their noses and vote for a Democrat.

Well, Cockburn had a good column in Counterpunch recently. You really should read the whole article: http://counterpunch.org/cockburn10032008.html

In the crunch, almost invariably, Obama does the wrong thing and in my opinion he always will. Just count out the moments of surrender: reauthorize the Patriot Act? Aye, from Obama. The “class action fairness act”, sought by Big Business for years. Aye from Obama. Capping credit card interest rates? No-o-o from Obama. FISA? Aye from Obama. With Robert Rubin at his side, his bailout vote was as sure as that of the harlot of the credit card companies, the six-term senator from Delaware, Joe Biden....

Obama’s designated role in these fraught times is to de-fuse, not inspire; to urge the angered crowd to remain calm, and disperse quietly, not to march upon the citadel, pitchforks upraised.
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I'm sure this last part goes over well with people on this forum.

Next up, Joe Biden:

I read more than one piece from these gallant leftists hailing Biden for his fine performance. Biden! This is a man with six full terms of infamy in the US senate. Find a Palestinian kid maimed from a cluster bomb, and you’ll likely read “Greetings from Joe Biden” scrawled on the casing. Find someone crippled from 25 per cent interest charges on credit card debt, and you’ll espy “Best wishes, Joe Biden” scrawled across the front of the bill. He’s a poster boy for all that is foul about the Democratic Party [quotes Biden's comments on Israel in the debate]

We’re not talking a novice, two-year governor of Alaska here, a woman the liberals and pwogs are –- in my view somewhat creepily -- thrill to beat up on. We talking a man with a lot of blood on his hands, a man who has played a serious role in incarcerating, hence disenfranchising millions of poor people, many of them black, for drug offenses.
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Yes, McCain/Palin is worse. Disastrous even. And his defense of Palin is misguided because whatever she said in the debate is immaterial. She's a figurehead. W. Bush said he did not want America to be the world's police man, and that we should not engage in nation-building. Jr. even said, retrospectively, that to intervene in Rwanda would have been a mistake. The fact that people even have to vote for people like Kerry, Obama, and Biden shows just how ****ed up we are.
 
It's obvious that rabid liberals expecting Obama to be the next FDR are going to be sorely disappointed, and I agree Biden is getting a free pass from the left on issues where he has been anything but liberal.

One example on Biden that struck me, outside of the very hawkish tone on Pakistan, was what he said about our role in Bosnia. He said, and I'm paraphrasing, "I voted to go into Bosnia even though many of my colleagues were telling me it could never work, these people having been fighting each other for hundreds of years." But he also claims he was being wise to warn that invading Iraq would reignite Sunni-Shia-Kurd tensions that had been suppressed with an iron fist by Saddam for decades. Let's call a spade a spade, Biden is a reckless interventionist. Don't even get me started with his record on narcotics.
 
Obama is just like the rest.



Vultures, liars and thieves. All of them.

A two headed monster that is the two major parties.
 
I'm not going to watch another lengthy montage of cobbled together facts with overly dramatic music.
 
ZenFountain said:
One example on Biden that struck me, outside of the very hawkish tone on Pakistan, was what he said about our role in Bosnia. He said, and I'm paraphrasing, "I voted to go into Bosnia even though many of my colleagues were telling me it could never work, these people having been fighting each other for hundreds of years." But he also claims he was being wise to warn that invading Iraq would reignite Sunni-Shia-Kurd tensions that had been suppressed with an iron fist by Saddam for decades. Let's call a spade a spade, Biden is a reckless interventionist. Don't even get me started with his record on narcotics.
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During the debate I believe Biden said he voted to give Bush the authority to go to war, and not for war itself. Oh bah, here's the quote: "With regard to Iraq, I indicated it would be a mistake to -- I gave the president the power. I voted for the power because he said he needed it not to go to war but to keep the United States, the UN in line, to keep sanctions on Iraq and not let them be lifted."

Which is ********. I recall Kennedy saying, "Make no mistake, this is a vote for war," but the spineless Democrats are incapable of taking a stand, which is what we've seen for the last two years. They urged people to elect them so that changes could be made, but now they're saying "Oh, we also need the presidency." Yeah, and then when they get the presidency we'll see more surrender to the Republicans (our majority is slim, and Obama needs to get re-elected). This whole bail-out/rescue plan/"buy-in" has been instructive. Here's an unpopular, lame-duck president, arguably the worst in U.S. history, asking for 700 billion dollars... and nobody laughed at him. Instead Congress has decided "hey, here's 250 billion dollars."
 
Cain said:
During the debate I believe Biden said he voted to give Bush the authority to go to war, and not for war itself. Oh bah, here's the quote: "With regard to Iraq, I indicated it would be a mistake to -- I gave the president the power. I voted for the power because he said he needed it not to go to war but to keep the United States, the UN in line, to keep sanctions on Iraq and not let them be lifted."

Which is ********. I recall Kennedy saying, "Make no mistake, this is a vote for war," but the spineless Democrats are incapable of taking a stand, which is what we've seen for the last two years. They urged people to elect them so that changes could be made, but now they're saying "Oh, we also need the presidency." Yeah, and then when they get the presidency we'll see more surrender to the Republicans (our majority is slim, and Obama needs to get re-elected). This whole bail-out/rescue plan/"buy-in" has been instructive. Here's an unpopular, lame-duck president, arguably the worst in U.S. history, asking for 700 billion dollars... and nobody laughed at him. Instead Congress has decided "hey, here's 250 billion dollars."
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You do realize that in the case of the "bailout" they might actually be right don't you?

http://www.charlierose.com/shows/2008/10/01/1/an-exclusive-conversation-with-warren-buffett
 
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