Truthers...what is your best piece of evidence ?

ULTIMA1 said:
Well where to start.

1. The FDR from AA77 shows a different flight path then the official story.

2. A NIST report states that NIST failed to recover steel from building 7 for testing, so the NIST final report on building 7 is not a properly investigated report.

3. Several articels and agency reports disagree with the NIST report on the cause of the towers collapse.

4. Reports show that the FBI only spent 5 days working the Pentagon crime scene after stating it would take a month.
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and of course NONE of this is evidence of an inside job. Nice try though.
 
Crazytimes said:
Remind me of the title of this thread ?
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The title is about showing evidence, it does not and i have not stated anything about an insdie job.

Can you show me where i have stated anything about an inside job, YES or NO?
 
ULTIMA1 said:
The title is about showing evidence, it does not and i have not stated anything about an insdie job.

Can you show me where i have stated anything about an inside job, YES or NO?
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For clarity's sake would you state your position as to the events of 9/11. Seeing as this is a 9/11 CT forum is would be reasonable to make assumptions but I would rather let you speak for yourself.
 
applecorped said:
For clarity's sake would you state your position as to the events of 9/11. Seeing as this is a 9/11 CT forum is would be reasonable to make assumptions but I would rather let you speak for yourself.
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Well, in this post he states quite clearly that he believes Flight 93 was shot down and the government is covering it up.
 
applecorped said:
For clarity's sake would you state your position as to the events of 9/11. Seeing as this is a 9/11 CT forum is would be reasonable to make assumptions but I would rather let you speak for yourself.
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Well, like most people on here I was not there on 9/11 to witness what happened.

Thats why i am doing research, filing FOIA requests and e-mailing to find out the truth of what actually happened that day.
 
ULTIMA1 said:
Well, like most people on here I was not there on 9/11 to witness what happened.

Thats why i am doing research, filing FOIA requests and e-mailing to find out the truth of what actually happened that day.
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Okay. You stated previously that you have evidence that would stand up to scrutiny if presented in a trial. Would you mind sharing some of it here?
 
ULTIMA1 said:
Where did i say the government was covering it up?

Can you show me where i stated anything about the government covering it up ?
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Not only have you said that the government has refused to release the actual evidence, but you have said that the official story is contradicted by the evidence that is not being released.

If that's not a cover-up, I don't know what is. Now, I can understand that you probably don't want to say the word "cover-up" because that would mean you would have to provide some evidence- and since you don't have any evidence, it's much more comfortable for you to sit in the sea of ambiguity and dodge questions all day long.
 
applecorped said:
Okay. You stated previously that you have evidence that would stand up to scrutiny if presented in a trial. Would you mind sharing some of it here?
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Well where to start.

1. Several reports and articles that disagree with the NIST report on the cause of the collapse to the towers.

2. Fact that the FBI only spent 5 days working the Pentagon crime scene after stating it would take a month.

3. Fact that the agencies involved are refusing to release information through FOIA requests.

Just for a few.
 
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ULTIMA1 said:
Well where to start.

1. Several reports and articles that disagree with the NIST report on the cause of the collapse to the towers.

2. Fact that the FBI only spent 5 days working the Pentagon crime scene after stating it would take a month.

3. Fact that the agencies involved are refusing to release information through FOIA requests.

Just for a few.
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Hate to interject, here- but that's not evidence.
 
Totovader said:
Not only have you said that the government has refused to release the actual evidence, but you have said that the official story is contradicted by the evidence that is not being released.
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I have proven that agencies involved have not relased infomration.

I have and can prove that the official story is contridicted by facts and evidence.

How does that show a cover-up?
 
ULTIMA1 said:
I have proven that agencies involved have not relased infomration.

I have and can prove that the official story is contridicted by facts and evidence.

How does that show a cover-up?
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For the reason that you chopped out of my response.

If you have "proven" that agencies have not released information because it would be damaging to the "official story"- then that would be what we call a cover-up.

If not, what would you require in order for it to be considered a cover-up by your definition?

After more than 7 years, the government intentionally not releasing information which contradicts the "official story" is [blank].

Fill in the blank.
 
ULTIMA1 said:
Well yes it is. Evidence to question or prove reasonable doubt about the official story.
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Well, no it isn't. Use your critical thinking skills: "refusing" to release information via an FOIA request is proof of what...

1) A cover-up
2) that the information is secret
3) that the information contains winning lottery ticket numbers
4) that you are not liked

Which of the following is true?

Answer: 2

You are committing the argument from ignorance fallacy- claiming that a lack of evidence is evidence of a cover-up. This is not only fallacious, but stupid.
 
ULTIMA1 said:
Well where to start.

1. Several reports and articles that disagree with the NIST report on the cause of the collapse to the towers.

2. Fact that the FBI only spent 5 days working the Pentagon crime scene after stating it would take a month.

3. Fact that the agencies involved are refusing to release information through FOIA requests.

Just for a few.
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1. I don't think a disagreement with NIST is evidence per se. I don't see how that would hold up in a trial.

2. The amount of time spent on a crime scene doesn't discredit the evidence collected imo.

3. Refusing to release information does not mean that information doesn't exist it just means you personally are not allowed to see it (if it, in fact does exist). Assigning nefarious reasons does not help ascertain the truth, it actually clouds your attempts to understand and reveal the truth and hinders your progress.

It is good to have questions. Just don't be so hasty to dismiss answers.
 
Totovader said:
If you have "proven" that agencies have not released information because it would be damaging to the "official story"- then that would be what we call a cover-up.
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Just because they have not released the infomration is not automatically a cover up, there may be an another reason for not releasing it.

You do know there are several reasons why an angency may not release information for a FOIA request correct? (as long as it ia a legitamte reason)
 
Why does this seem like a Spongebob Squarepants episode?

[Plankton]

Oh you'll see. YOU'LL ALL SEE!

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applecorped said:
1. I don't think a disagreement with NIST is evidence per se. I don't see how that would hold up in a trial.

2. The amount of time spent on a crime scene doesn't discredit the evidence collected imo.

3. Refusing to release information does not mean that information doesn't exist it just means you personally are not allowed to see it (if it, in fact does exist). Assigning nefarious reasons does not help ascertain the truth, it actually clouds your attempts to understand and reveal the truth and hinders your progress.
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1. Well if the reports are well investigated reports or articles with sound evidence to support it.

2. Well yes it does, if the time is very unusual for a large and very important crime scene. Or if its shown a lot more time was spent on other crime scenes.

3. Well if the reason they refuse to release the information is not really a proper reason for the type of infomration, and the time they kept the information is beyond normal time constraints.
 
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