Absolute proof of video fakery

[dudalb]

Exactly what kind of missiles were fired at the WTC from the Woolworth building?
I cannot think of any man portable missiles that could have done that kind of massive damage, and if the ones there were big enough to do that damage are sort of hard to move around without being noticied.
God, it keeps getting stupider and stupider.

 

[fullflavormenthol]

It took seven pages before you thought to ask this? v[qimg]http://www.lethalwrestling.com/upload/shobon.gif[/qimg]v

Well it should have really been the opening of my first post, but I try to humor people and assume they can be reasoned with. Curse my naive nature!

 

[Pardalis]

So if a missile was shot from the Woolworth building at WTC1, then what hit the second tower?

Wasn't it hit from the other side?

 

[defaultdotxbe]

Exactly what kind of missiles were fired at the WTC from the Woolworth building?
I cannot think of any man portable missiles that could have done that kind of massive damage, and if the ones there were big enough to do that damage are sort of hard to move around without being noticied.
God, it keeps getting stupider and stupider.

also, i seem to recall the woolworth reports being independent of the planes, IE people were saying planes hit the towers AND missiles were being fired from the woolworth building, but then i still dont think ive seen a firsthand report of the missile(s)

 

[Mince]

Debunked.

Any more nonsense you want to peddle?

I just love the truthers' simple understanding of physics. Small wonder it's so easy for Alex Jones to dupe them.

 

[VespaGuy]

Why is anyone still wasting time with mchapman?

There have been some very good and detailed posts by multiple debunkers. Yet, mchapman continues to ignore everything that contradicts his fantasy and replies in 3 sentences or less, usually with a useless question that spins off into another wild fantasy. More detailed responses appear and the cycle continues.

Whether a troll, sock, child, or in need of pschiatric help, mchapman is not open to rational discussion. Kudos to those that take on this nonsense, but this clown is a pure waste of time.

 

[The Big Dog]

Produce 50 people who saw a plane and I'll shut up and go away.

Fair enough?

YES! Very fair! Except for the parts where 1. you didn't shut up: and 2. you didn't go away.

That wasn't very fair of you to lie like that, now was it No Planer?

You see you still have not shut up and you are still here.

So you lied.

I kinda hope you stay, frankly. I like it when No Planers make a mockery out of the Truth movement.

Keep up the great work! It makes our job SO easy.

 

[rwguinn]

Several people said they saw missiles. Several people say they just saw the building explode. Do you believe them?

Goalposts, goalposts....mumble.. mumble....
I swear I saw a set around here before....

The problem, guys, is he asked for 50. You gave him WAYYYYY more than that, so obviously you can't follow instructions and are therefore shills...

 

[dudalb]

also, i seem to recall the woolworth reports being independent of the planes, IE people were saying planes hit the towers AND missiles were being fired from the woolworth building, but then i still dont think ive seen a firsthand report of the missile(s)

Still makes no sense. The damage Any missile you could launch and sneak back inside the Woolworth Building would be totally worthless compared the damage done by the planes if you were trying to increase the damage. You might as well throw matches into the inferno.
And I presume the NWO had military guys on the payroll who would have told them that.

 

[fullflavormenthol]

Why is anyone still wasting time with mchapman?

There have been some very good and detailed posts by multiple debunkers. Yet, mchapman continues to ignore everything that contradicts his fantasy and replies in 3 sentences or less, usually with a useless question that spins off into another wild fantasy. More detailed responses appear and the cycle continues.

Whether a troll, sock, child, or in need of pschiatric help, mchapman is not open to rational discussion. Kudos to those that take on this nonsense, but this clown is a pure waste of time.

I don't know. Honestly I did my honest critique and it was ignored, and when I reposted one single point it was met with a useless challenge that too was quickly met. Like this thread and the other dealing with Ace Baker, both posters are unwilling to look at the evidence. I don't know if they are trolls or not, but the honest fact is that they are here to either fight or claim that their challenge cannot be met.

Personally it gets to me, and it shouldn't, but I spent the last 6 months reworking my college's TV station to make it more modern as far as graphics go. I have spent so much time learning and working in all manner of programs (Adobe apps, New Tek Tricaster, Avid, and Final Cut). I have learned these programs and know what can and cannot be done, and so when people post nonsense it gets under my skin.

These are people that watch Transformers and think that these techniques could be applied in real time. These are people that think that simply compositing a photo moving across a live video would fool anyone without motion tracking. I mean Steven Wright pointed out the flaws, and he is right but still these people want to believe in nonsense. These people could not even recreate the same effect and yet they want to say that they have "absolute proof".

That and real people died when real planes crashed into those buildings. These are the worst of the truthers, and that is saying something right there.

Anyway...I agree that this is pointless. The goal posts will always be moved regardless of how many things are clearly debunked. My opinion is that if I can find serious flaws in a truther presentation in real time than the presentation is bunk.

 

[HyJinX]

Maybe they were thermite filled, mini-nuke, laser missiles. What do you think Mchapman? Plausible?

 

[twinstead]

I love how now every single eye witness account that was provided who saw a plane hit the tower is hand waved away, but a couple who thought they saw a missile are focused in on. And mchapman has the nerve to ask, "what, are those people lying?"

So. mchapman. Are all those people we were kind enough to give you links to lying? Jesus Christ on a stick I can't believe we are in the midst of yet ANOTHER no plane thread.

And by the way, could any of you other truthers who think that people in your own movement who believe there were no planes are full of it PLEASE come on this thread and show us you have a pair and tell them that?

 

[CurtC]

mchapman, I would like to see the testimony of at least 50 people, out of the tens of thousands watching while 175 hit, who were in a position to see an aircraft coming in from the South but did not see one. These people should be raging mad that the news outlets showed a plane coming in when they know there was none. Please provide at least 50 witness testimonies of these folks.

 

[Corsair 115]

Right, so we have 5 million people in the vicinity and thousands who saw a plane. It should be easy for you to produce just 50 of them.

It's actually easy for you to check yourself. Go to the library, pick a newspaper, and read its issues from 9/12 onwards. You should find reports in which eyewitnesses describe what they saw. You could also review the various news television broadcasts on 9/11 itself as well as the days afterwards for similiar reports.

Please note that the events of 9/11 were also covered by news media from nations other than the U.S. This includes television, radio, and print media.

 

[DGM]

mchapman:
Just stop with this video fakery nonsense! A good friend of mine video taped (and I've seen) the death of his wife (In the south tower) (also my friend). Thousands of people saw with their own eyes the planes crashing. This whole idea is just sick.

Please seek help (you need it)

*I know I said I was not going to post in this sub-forum anymore,but this subject effects me way to much to let this type of ignorance fester.*

 

[Drudgewire]

mchapman, I would like to see the testimony of at least 50 people, out of the tens of thousands watching while 175 hit, who were in a position to see an aircraft coming in from the South but did not see one. These people should be raging mad that the news outlets showed a plane coming in when they know there was none. Please provide at least 50 witness testimonies of these folks.

Just ONE who says "I was there and what happened is nothing like what you see on television" would be a good start.

Well, let's make it five. Can't rule out the attention whore factor.

 

[Corsair 115]

I have spent so much time learning and working in all manner of programs (Adobe apps, New Tek Tricaster, Avid, and Final Cut). I have learned these programs and know what can and cannot be done, and so when people post nonsense it gets under my skin.

These are people that watch Transformers and think that these techniques could be applied in real time. These are people that think that simply compositing a photo moving across a live video would fool anyone without motion tracking.

One doesn't even necessarily have to be an expert to be able to detect visual effects (though naturally it would be of great help). I've watched science-fiction movies since I was a kid, and consequently have developed a good eye for spotting special effects. It's not perfect, but more times than not, I can spot when a shot is an effect of one kind or another.

One of the things that always gives away a shot, especially when it involves human-like figures, is the motion. Even the best CGI guys often still don't get motion quite right.

 

[Mancman]

It's kitten/recipe time, people.

 

[roundhead]

I'm afraid I don't know. I merely lean on the witness and passenger testimony, the radar data, the admission of the airlines that their jets were missing, the discovery of jet plane parts, the Air Traffic Controller testimony, etc. to falsify the notion that a missile was used.

But, again, I'm interested in seeing the counter testimony. Again, since you made the claim that some witnesses saw a missile, and since we were willing to provide our own links to eyewitness testimony regarding the impacts, it would be most kind if you'd provide your own link(s) to missile testimony. So we could judge for ourselves how well it stacks up.

Again, thank you in advance for providing that.

The Govt's own database(which is an extremely accurate and well managed one)said those flights never flew that day. Untill later "changed" to say they did.



WikiScanner discovered that American Airlines changed their Wikipedia entry to state that Flights 11 and 77 never flew on 9/11.

Original entry was:

Two American Airlines aircraft were hijacked and crashed during the September 11, 2001 Terrorist Attack: American Airlines Flight 77 (a Boeing 757) and American Airlines Flight 11 (a Boeing 767).

New entry is:

Two American Airlines aircraft were hijacked and crashed during the September 11, 2001 Terrorist Attack: Flight 77 (a Boeing 757) and Flight 11 (a Boeing 767). Although these flights were daily departures before and a month after September 11, 2001. Neither flight 11 nor 77 were scheduled on September 11, 2001. The records kept by the Bureau of Transportation Statistics (www.bts.gov/gis/) do not list either flight that day.

 

[Myriad]

The Govt's own database(which is an extremely accurate and well managed one)said those flights never flew that day. Untill later "changed" to say they did.

Remarkable! Who do you think falsified the Govt's own database to indicate that those flights never flew? Why do you think they did it?

Respectfully,
Myriad