Psychic Samurai applies for MDC...apparently...

[petre]

Are you an idiot?
I've never said the test could be done on any other day!

That's a rather insulting tone to take with someone trying to help you win $1 million. I will continue to offer my aid nonetheless.

There are a good many posts, so you may have missed some of my suggestions in post 1110 (or you may just not have gotten a chance to respond yet).

In summary I suggested a clarification of the necessary steps for the voices to appear on tape would help in forming a protocol (for example, if the recording device does not need a microphone it would be helpful).

You seem unsatisfied with the assistance you are currently recieveing from the JREF forum members (in some cases using insults to express your displeasure with offered suggestions). Have you contacted outside experts in scientific fields related to your claim for more satisfactory assistance? If not, why not?

You've again expressed distrust in the honesty of anyone representing the JREF in direct handling of protocols. I see no problem wich that, but one assumes you will then be counting on neutral 3rd parties in your protocol? You do accept the premise that a neutral 3rd party can be found for any such task, yes?

 

[steenkh]

So who Pays them?
If I Can't, and the JREF Won't, then what quality folks do you know that WORK FOR FREE?
Not too logical is it?

Amazingly, this has worked before, but actually, these can be paid, in which case you must pay them, but they must be independent so that they will not benefit whether you succeed the preliminary test or not.

 

[ZER0]

Look, a SNARKY with a new name
What brings you here?
You'd better look up Paranormal Event before you show your lack of study.
I wonder which SNARKY you are

I'll have to look up snarky too. I've lurked here for awhile, and felt like posting. I hope that doesn't offend you.

Do you know why you're here? Do you know that there aren't any loopholes to win the million? I think you'll figure that out after you sign the agreement. But again...I don't think you're intending, or expecting, to win the million.

Are you going to be documenting your next visit to the Devil's Chair? Will you film or record (audio) it?

 

[Azrael 5]

*snarky snip*
Thanks Jeff
The intensity of contact must be extremely strong. It can only be that strong on 10/31 (To the best of my knowledge) as I've mentioned several times before. Hope that helps.

Where does this best of you rknowledge come from? Where is the evidence of this.Numerous times you have stated you have got results on previous occasions.Where were these results at and where can we see the proof?

All I can see are claims and no evidence.Can I just re-cap for "the folks at home"

Prior to June this year you had never visited Devil's Chair in Florida.Your ability you claim(from your posts)works at other times but is strongest on Halloween? How do you know? Where is the proof? You certainly have never been at Devils Chair at Halloween.

You claim other people have video recordings of you and paranormal proof yet you never cite it.

Of course you can ignore my questions but that will only re-inforce the belief I'm right you have NO paranormal powers.

 

[petre]

So who Pays them?
If I Can't, and the JREF Won't, then what quality folks do you know that WORK FOR FREE?
Not too logical is it?

Logical? Very well. You appear not to trust the JREF to perform any duties in a test. Logically, one would assume such distrust would extend to anyone paid by the JREF. You appear to be noting in this quote (and feel free to clarify if not) that you have no faith in unpaid assistants. Permit me the liberty of thinking highly of you in not holding a position that you feel you can only trust people that you are paying yourself. One would have to conclude, then, that it is your intention to achieve a fair test by finding people paid by a neutral third party to handle your protocol? This distrust of unpaid assistants certainly makes things more difficult, but perhaps a neutral sponsor can be found (you've noted a fountain of support behind you, so there is yet hope that some such sources will be acceptable to the JREF as financial facilitators in compensating qualified neutral third party assistants).

As I have summarized them recently (in post 1141) I will refrain from repeating them in this post, but do have a look at several recent points I feel you ought to be addressing to move forward in your challenge and bid for $1 million. Berating people for their belief in the altruism of those willing to volunteer their time to perform services without remittance is of little assistance to such ends.

 

[EHocking]

How is it that the only non-"snarky" posts are being ignored in favour of continuing a flame-fest.

The Professor, would you be so polite as to answer my (repeated) questions regarding your last "event" at the cemetary?

Originally Posted by The Professor
I sat on the Devil's Chair this afternoon in the Florida Sunshine. There was much more activity then usual. More noises, more insects, more wind and many more "Voices"......
There is One Thing that remains almost always the same .... NO PEOPLE!

Did you take any recording equipement?

This would have been a perfect opportunity for you to test that these "voices" are in fact recordable - something that, to date, you were not sure of and a rather important part of determining whether a protocol for recording such "voices" is viable.

This post seems to have been ignored.

Furthermore, if you had recorded these "voices" you could then have supplied these recordings to JREF stating, "These are the sorts of sounds that will be recorded". JREF would then have had the opportunity to determine if the quality of the recorded voices was such that their presence on recording medium would or would not require subjective analyses, i.e. the result was self-evident.

If you had recorded this event, one from your previous posts you had quite some time to prepare for, you would have greatly aided the protocol negotiations with JREF for the MDC.

There would be no ambiguity, then, between yourself and JREF on what was likely to be the result of your demonstration for the MDC.

Why did you not take a tape recorder the other day?
What was the purpose of visiting the site, if not to see if "voices" would manifest?
Will you be visiting the site again for this purpose before sitting the MDC and will you be taking recording equipment. If not, why not (to both questions).

 

[Robaato]

So who Pays them?
If I Can't, and the JREF Won't, then what quality folks do you know that WORK FOR FREE?
Not too logical is it?

Oh, I dunno...I realize that individual anecdotes aren't evidence, but I'd say that the IIG showed remarkable quality and professionalism. I'd also cite the many preliminary tests that have been carried out, some of which are documented in the Challenge Applications subforum.

Or are you now claiming that anyone who is an unpaid volunteer¹ is by definition low quality? The volunteers who help disaster victims worldwide? Habitat for Humanity? The Peace Corps, or Médecines sans Frontières? (Those last two get living expenses, though...)

Look, a SNARKY with a new name
What brings you here?
You'd better look up Paranormal Event before you show your lack of study.
I wonder which SNARKY you are

He or she may be a "SNARKY" by whatever definition you're using, but the fact that you avoid ZER0's question by content-free silly name-calling....Well, it certainly looks like a case of the pot and the kettle.

¹vol•un•teer [vol-uh n-teer] -noun

1.a person who voluntarily offers himself or herself for a service or undertaking.
​

2.a person who performs a service willingly and without pay. ​

 

[gdnp]

Professor, I have suggested in posts 1113 and 1136 that it would help move your challenge along if you did some non-controlled tests at the Devil's chair: these could be performed this Halloween since it appears that you will not be taking the official preliminary challenge that day. You have a full month to prepare. You have responded to other recent posts, so I assume you have read mine, and I am curious why they have been ignored. Do you have some objection to my suggestion? If so, I would like to hear it.

 

[RoboTimbo]

I feel this is an honest effort to help!
If you continue with such good work you will be rewarded with $25,000 from the winnings (if there are any) .... THANKS!
<snip>

You've made 40 posts since my original proposed protocol back on page 25. This is the only one that references that protocol.

Are you serious about taking this challenge or not?

 

[Azrael 5]

Once the claim has been accepted,can it be rescinded,supposing the claimant refuses to show supporting evidence when asked numerous times? If the JREF suspects its been made a fool,in order to gain favour elsewhere?

For what it's worth-I'm sure Im not alone-I would wager my own money right now on TP having no paranormal abilities of any kind.
Which is a shame,I wanted to ride the coat tails of someone winning;to say I was part of it all!

 

[cwalner]

So who Pays them?
If I Can't, and the JREF Won't, then what quality folks do you know that WORK FOR FREE?
Not too logical is it?

Professor,

I may be wrong but I don't think that there is anything wrong with you having paid assistants especially if your protocol ends up requiring highly trained people (electricians, sound engineers, etc) as long as they are salaried and thier payment is not contingent upon you winning the prize.

The issue that people have expressed and the JREF will not allow is assistants who are promised a piece of the prize. This results in people who have a financial incentive to help you win so cannot be considered unbiased.

Also please stop assuming that the JREF staffers are dependant upon the $1M or its interest to maintain thier salaries. The JREF already plans to end the challenge in 2010 and seems to already have plans for the money. I doubt any of the staffers will be losing thier jobs in 2010 so they have no financial incentive to 'protect' it as you have insinuated. (Note, if they are going to lose thier jobs in 2010 when the MDC goes away, they may even have a motivation not to 'protect' it). Either way your claim of bias of the JREF staffers for 'protecting' the $1M holds no water.

So are you willing to offer $25K to anybody who assists you whether you win or lose? Are you willing to offer $5K?. Please remember that if your protocol requires highly trained specialists to administer the test, per the rules, you will be paying for their services regardless of the outcome of the test.

I also might suggest that if you cannot afford such services without the prize money, you may want to try for a less complicated protocol. several have been suggested already.

 

[chillzero]

Just a gentle reminder .... a polite request.

Can we please try a little bit harder not to get waylaid, and instead focus posts specifically on the protocol, now that we have a claim?

You may harbour doubts as to whether this will ever happen - it is clear from the thread that many do. However, now that this fact (people's doubts) has been established, it isn't helpful to keep commenting on it. The thing to focus on now, is the protocol.

Please - let's all try to concentrate on a step by step protocol that will enable The Professor to prove his claim.

 

[Azrael 5]

So far as I can see,the only way to self evidently prove these voices are paranormal is via a protocol that involves question and answer.
Am I right in thinking this? Never been involved in someone's application for MDC before you see.

 

[The Professor]

Oh, I dunno...I realize that individual anecdotes aren't evidence, but I'd say that the IIG showed remarkable quality and professionalism. I'd also cite the many preliminary tests that have been carried out, some of which are documented in the Challenge Applications subforum.

Or are you now claiming that anyone who is an unpaid volunteer¹ is by definition low quality? The volunteers who help disaster victims worldwide? Habitat for Humanity? The Peace Corps, or Médecines sans Frontières? (Those last two get living expenses, though...)

He or she may be a "SNARKY" by whatever definition you're using, but the fact that you avoid ZER0's question by content-free silly name-calling....Well, it certainly looks like a case of the pot and the kettle.

¹vol•un•teer [vol-uh n-teer] -noun

1.a person who voluntarily offers himself or herself for a service or undertaking.
​

2.a person who performs a service willingly and without pay. ​

After reading the IIG's report (Please do before responding) I see they deviated from the conditions by haulting the demonstration towards the very beginning to make sure they weren't being Cheated.

WHAT IS THAT? (letting information go up and down the stairs by their own men trying to determine if they were being Hoodwinked)

If the Claimant had gotten them right would they have said ... "OH NO ... WE ARE BEING DECEIVED!" (Think for a second ... They only continued because he HADN'T gotten them right)

I'm sure it wasn't written into the protocol.

Now THAT"S just the kind of stuff I'd expect from a group like that.
They get to stop the test to see if the Claimant is Cheating but I'm positive it would never be allowed the other way around.

Exactly my point!

Thanks for the heads up!

 

[The Professor]

I do not believe that statement. As evidenced by the length of this thread I suspect that you actually enjoy responding.

My non-paranormal abilities allow me to know that you will never arrive at a protocol thus allowing you to never have to take the test.

From a lurker who has read the thread you come off as childish, immature and unwilling to put your so called abilities to a proper test.

Bowing out gracefully would be the proper and mature thing to do at this point. I suspect you won't.

This is a perfect example of NON-CRITICAL THINKING.

Why wouldn't I want to be tested?

Being a SNARKY and calling names makes you extremely SMART

So please, in logical fashion, explain why I "Wouldn't" want to be tested?

Be careful now

 

[The Professor]

Professor, I have suggested in posts 1113 and 1136 that it would help move your challenge along if you did some non-controlled tests at the Devil's chair: these could be performed this Halloween since it appears that you will not be taking the official preliminary challenge that day. You have a full month to prepare. You have responded to other recent posts, so I assume you have read mine, and I am curious why they have been ignored. Do you have some objection to my suggestion? If so, I would like to hear it.

I have been visiting the Devils Chair for quite some time, unlike some of the Misinformation (Lies) that others are spreading. I will continue to ignore them.

The Portal there is at it's maximum efficiency on 10/31.

As you know I only get one shot for the Million and I must play my strongest hand! The one that is dealt on 10/31!

I am also working on the International Seance Project on that day this year. We wanted to incorporate the JREF MDC into the Fun but it doesn't look like we will agree on a protocol by then, but I will try.

Although all the talk of Envelopes might help me in my continuing Mentalism career, it isn't the right thing to do for this demonstration.

We are basically talking about Advanced ITC, and despite the fact that Envelopes would simplify things for some people it is in no way part of the challenge.

I do appreciate your help!

 

[Biscuit]

You need to do more research into my claim and quit assuming things that are not true .I get tired of repeating myself and I will no longer do so.
As a critical thinker, please read everything and attempt to understand it before you join in. I know you are trying to help, and I appreciate that.

Would puting the tape recorders in envelopes help you?
See what I mean?

I know what your claim is TP and I have been following this thread from day one. Now that we have your claim we need a protocol, right? Well I have a few ideas on how we can get one. First I need a few questions answered by you. Clearly statements like putting tape recorders in enveloped are useless and insulting to myself and everyone here who has already proposed a protocol. We want to see you get tested! I believe your claim can be adjusted slightly and thus become a much easier protocol but in order to that I need some more information.

Before I try and come up with a protocol please just answer these two questions seriously without insults or sarcasm. Depending on your answers I may have a few additional questions or I may just sit back with my popcorn either way I will be sure to thank you for cooperating.

Do you actually want help in developing a protocol from members of this forum?

If 'No' than why not? If 'yes' then why have you made zero progress on the several protocols that have been offered?

 

[Jackalgirl]

Dave.

What are the "paranormal entities" capable of doing, beside simply answering questions? Are they:

a) capable of seeing into opaque containers into which normal human beings cannot see?
b) capable of going into sound- and vibration-proofed containers?
c) able to effect completely implausible changes to recording media (CDs, tapes, etc.,) that are not present within a recording device (i.e., still in their wrappers), where "implausible" means, for example, making an identifiable voice speaking identifiable English words appear on the media?
d) capable of otherwise affecting objects physically, such as moving or lifting objects?*
e) capable of causing a clearly defined and marked change in the temperature of a container of liquid, such as water?*

In short, are they capable of doing anything else beyond simply providing audible responses to questions? Please provide a list of the things that the "entities" can do.

If you are not sure, please go ask them, then let us know. This is critical for the design of the protocol.

*If they are capable of doing either of these last two things, it would change your claim. But it should also be relatively easy to test. The important thing, though, is that you have to know what they can and are willing to do in order to even start thinking about a protocol.

If you would be so kind, also, as to answer my question as to whether you're actually trying to set up JREF and the Forum for an "expose" (with the slanty-thing over the e) rather than actually trying to pursue the MDC, I'd appreciate it. Thanks.

 

[The Professor]

Professor,

I may be wrong but I don't think that there is anything wrong with you having paid assistants especially if your protocol ends up requiring highly trained people (electricians, sound engineers, etc) as long as they are salaried and thier payment is not contingent upon you winning the prize.

The issue that people have expressed and the JREF will not allow is assistants who are promised a piece of the prize. This results in people who have a financial incentive to help you win so cannot be considered unbiased.

Also please stop assuming that the JREF staffers are dependant upon the $1M or its interest to maintain thier salaries. The JREF already plans to end the challenge in 2010 and seems to already have plans for the money. I doubt any of the staffers will be losing thier jobs in 2010 so they have no financial incentive to 'protect' it as you have insinuated. (Note, if they are going to lose thier jobs in 2010 when the MDC goes away, they may even have a motivation not to 'protect' it). Either way your claim of bias of the JREF staffers for 'protecting' the $1M holds no water.

So are you willing to offer $25K to anybody who assists you whether you win or lose? Are you willing to offer $5K?. Please remember that if your protocol requires highly trained specialists to administer the test, per the rules, you will be paying for their services regardless of the outcome of the test.

I also might suggest that if you cannot afford such services without the prize money, you may want to try for a less complicated protocol. several have been suggested already.

Yes!!!
Someone who finally gets it!!!!!!!!!!

I want ALL of the people working on this project to be motivated to PROVE THE PARANORMAL.

That's what this whole thing is about.

They also SHARE in the financial end of the VICTORY!!!!!
It's perfect.

I want everyone to be trying their hardest to insure that we succeed. Money is the very best way to motivate people. Money also brings in the very best people in their field. Their motivation will be to succeed and NOT fail.
That insures that they will try even harder then ever before!

People with such a great incentive can accomplish a great deal!
A $25,000 payment will insure competent testers.

 

[petre]

I want ALL of the people working on this project to be motivated to PROVE THE PARANORMAL.

I was under the impression that most critical thinkers are more interested in illuminating the truth, whatever it may be, rather than work to prove a pre-determined end. But then, it may be putting words in your mouth to assume you want critical thinkers working on this project.

Have you yet had a chance to consider my summary of points in post 1141? I understand the very large amount of time that has passed since you have addressed any of my points has allowed the list to grow quite large. While I feel examining all of them would be beneficial to your work on the project, perhaps by focusing on a single one you may be able to compose a response.

You seem unsatisfied with the assistance you are currently recieveing from the JREF forum members (in some cases using insults to express your displeasure with offered suggestions). Have you contacted outside experts in scientific fields related to your claim for more satisfactory assistance? If not, why not?