Atheism is a false philosophy held by the most arrogant

[Lucifuge Rofocale]

What is that ONANISM everyone is talking about?

 

[six7s]

Everyone? Only the barbarians...

 

[Nogbad]

What is that ONANISM everyone is talking about?

It is very much a hands on religion

 

[six7s]

Isn't it called palmistry?

 

[jenski]

Paxim, you're a mighty judgmental sort, aren't you? As far as your man-made laws go, can you tell me which man created the LAW of ATTRACTION? Or, Paxim, did we just observe NATURE and say, "Wow, look at that! That Mother Nature sure is one organized and capable intelligence and power, isn't she?

Paxim, I don't know why you're so angry. Perhaps you had a bad experience in a confessional booth? Is that what made you an atheist?

I just prefer to think rationally about this thing we call NATURE. If it is all ONE, it must be intelligent, right? Otherwise it wouldn't be one, right? Then, I'd have to believe in Separation, wouldn't I?

Ever thought that this ONENESS is indifferent to you and me? That, it simply allows us to create whatever experience we choose and doesn't really care one way or another? Perhaps, this oneness is all about Freedom of Choice?

Regardless, I love you.

When you went to proselyting school, did they instruct you to be deliberately rude or is that simply an accident?

As for being judgemental, I would refer you to your original post which makes some rather...judgmental comments all on its own.

 

[jenski]

Anyway, I just want you to think about that little ACORN. Just imagine, one tiny little acorn already knows what that big oak tree inside looks like..AND.. that single little acorn also knows it can be all that's necessary to produce a THOUSAND forests of mighty OAKS. Isn't that an example of some pretty extraordinary intelligent design? Or , would you just attribute this to random, blind luck?

Acorns are sentient?

 

[bwinwright]

Yawn...a pseudo philosopher at work...

Sure you have, so why is your entire essay one big strawman?


What a nice and completely useless definition but whatever makes you happy.


No.


No. Nice blatant Non-sequitur. You make a useless definition of "god" and them jump to giving this useless "all universe" some characteristic that can never be proven. Nice philosophical juggling.


Wow, what a nice bit of Creationism/ID apolegetic Straw man and Argument from Incredulity you have there. "bwinwight doesn't get it therefore it cannot be true"


False.


False again. Crystals, planets, stars and even ice are examples of organizing order that does not require intelligence. You need to read up on more current ID apolegetics, yours is rather lame and outdated.


Yup...oh you didn't some relevant comeback?

Or, what about the fact that the Earth has been traveling 18.51 miles per "second" on its orbital path around the Sun and doing it for hundreds, maybe millions of years, and makes one complete orbit every 365.2422 days?

Isn't that more durable and precise than any watch or clock man has ever made? [/quote]
Still irrelevant. You mean, how scientists keep changing how long a year actually is every few years? Yeah, precise. Pssst..why don't you look up what arbitrary system we use to keep time. Keep trying.


Unlikely but not absolutely impossible. More likely the cosmos will end before that happens...what was your point again?


You had some point?
ONE BIG FLAW, Mr. amateur philosopher wannabee in your entire argument.

Atheism is not a philosophy. It is nothing more than a response to theism. Nothing you have attempted to amateurishly tried to state is even relevant to your claims.[/QUOTE]

Paxim, you fit the label perfectly, don't you? Arrogant, condescending, so far superior to others. Wow! I'm sure you have a lot of close friends. However, it all gets back to definitions and calling yourself an atheist is admitting that ORDER DOES NOT REQUIRE INTELLIGENT DIRECTION. That's the entire point of this exercise. That's THE flaw, the error you keep making.
You arrogant atheists keep referring to billions of complex interactions over billions of years which MUST produce the orderliness we now see. Yet, you claim all of this happens without any intelligence? PLEASE!!!!!

If that's not what you believe then explain how all this can happen without a directing form of intelligence. YOU CAN'T, can you?

 

[jenski]

Lumos, I agree with the anti-organized religion stance. However, I simply don't understand why and "intelligent" person would think that ORDER DOES NOT REQUIRE INTELLIGENT DIRECTION.

Have you ever heard of the Tavistock Institute or Operation Mockingbird?
There is an organized movement in the media today to spread the philosophy of atheism, when the real problem is with organized religions.

To deny the existence of an intelligence, other than that belonging to mankind or space aliens if they exist, is atheism too. Using this definition, atheism is clearly a false philosophy.

May I hazard a guess that yours is not a religion but a relationship?

 

[bwinwright]

Acorns are sentient?

Jenski, of course they are. When you boil one you can hear it scream, can't you?

Just kidding. The way I see it, which most of you are harshly reject, is that everything is unified, and this interconnected oneness is intelligent. This intelligence occupies all space, simultaneously. Therefore, since everything consists of this ineffable and intelligent oneness, this includes the acorn too.
Therefore, yes, the acorn is sentient. Of course, I don't speak acorn, so I don't know just how sentient an acorn really is.

It's like the old saying that God sleeps in minerals, awakens in plants, walks in animals, and thinks in man. Of course, I know Paxim will rip me a new one over this.

 

[paximperium]

Paxim, you're a mighty judgmental sort, aren't you? As far as your man-made laws go, can you tell me which man created the LAW of ATTRACTION? Or, Paxim, did we just observe NATURE and say, "Wow, look at that! That Mother Nature sure is one organized and capable intelligence and power, isn't she?

Wow...look at that? A "Law of Attraction" that's not a scientific law at all but some New Ager, Pseudo-Science made up pile of garbage.

Paxim, I don't know why you're so angry. Perhaps you had a bad experience in a confessional booth? Is that what made you an atheist?

Patronizing pile of garbage from one of the most disgusting and judgmental life forms on the planet.

BTW: I was never religious but thanks for your pop-psychology BS.

I just prefer to think rationally about this thing we call NATURE. If it is all ONE, it must be intelligent, right? Otherwise it wouldn't be one, right? Then, I'd have to believe in Separation, wouldn't I?

Thanks for a completely useless statement again. One with nature? What the hell does that even mean? Pseudo-science at its finest.

Ever thought that this ONENESS is indifferent to you and me? That, it simply allows us to create whatever experience we choose and doesn't really care one way or another? Perhaps, this oneness is all about Freedom of Choice?

Now, you're getting stupider and stupider. I suggest you stop with the drugs or BS books like the Secret.

Regardless, I love you.

Your "love" is as useless as your evangelizing. You show up spewing stupidity and hatred towards atheist and I'm suppose to believe you? You are a liar.

 

[jj]

:Just kidding. The way I see it, which most of you are harshly reject, is that everything is unified, and this interconnected oneness is intelligent.

It seems to me that you're anthropomorphizing natural feedback processes.

I'm not sure how atheisms plays into this, except by declaring that it's all natural, and there is no deity out there fiddling around invisibly behind the scenes.

 

[Tubbythin]

Or, what about the fact that the Earth has been traveling 18.51 miles per "second" on its orbital path around the Sun and doing it for hundreds, maybe millions of years, and makes one complete orbit every 365.2422 days?

Isn't that more durable and precise than any watch or clock man has ever made? </quote was here>
Still irrelevant. You mean, how scientists keep changing how long a year actually is every few years? Yeah, precise. Pssst..why don't you look up what arbitrary system we use to keep time. Keep trying.

Huh? I'm very confused. Is this some badly done quoting or is he debunking his own arguments now?

 

[bwinwright]

Follow the KISS formula for more success

That's not intelligent design, it's just an example of what biological evolution does naturally. If you want to get a handle on that in a book that's not too hard to read, I suggest Endless Forms Most Beautiful.

CurtC, you say the acorn is not an example of intelligent design but just an example of what biological evolution does naturally. Wow! How brilliant is that? Of course you aren't addressing the original point, are you?

The point is that ORDER REQUIRES INTELLIGENT DIRECTION and you act as if biological evolution just happens by luck, by some form of random accident, as if some form of NON-INTELLIGENCE could possibly be responsible for such incredible behavior. SAY SOMETHING that reveals the fact that you are actually thinking about this.

The key to selling is the KISS formula. KISS is an acronym which means....KEEP IT SIMPLE STUPID!!!!!! That's the biggest problem with atheists. Most are only pretenders without a real sales pitch. Nobody in this forum has made a decent sales pitch on behalf of atheism. It's very sad. I was hoping at least one of you could SAY SOMETHING of value.


You guys all worship at the feet of people like Richard Dawkins whose really just pissed off at organized religion. He can't explain how order doesn't require intelligent direction either. None of you can. Why? Because it's IMPOSSIBLE!!!!!

 

[paximperium]

Paxim, you fit the label perfectly, don't you? Arrogant, condescending, so far superior to others.

Yes I am. Was that suppose to be an insult? Was that suppose to make you automatically right?

Wow! I'm sure you have a lot of close friends.

Yes I do. I also have a great career. Were you trying to make me cry or something? Thanks for your "love". We can see what your "love" means.

However, it all gets back to definitions and calling yourself an atheist is admitting that ORDER DOES NOT REQUIRE INTELLIGENT DIRECTION.

Hey, you got something right.

That's the entire point of this exercise. That's THE flaw, the error you keep making.

EVERYONE is still eagerly waiting for your wonderful explanation and evidence of this flaw.

You arrogant atheists keep referring to billions of complex interactions over billions of years which MUST produce the orderliness we now see. Yet, you claim all of this happens without any intelligence? PLEASE!!!!!

Yes. You may want to take a basic college class in physics which explains this easily. Your ignorance and stupidity on the issue does not make you right. It just makes you look stupid and ignorant and you lack even basic imagination.

If that's not what you believe then explain how all this can happen without a directing form of intelligence. YOU CAN'T, can you?

It's called physics. It's called biology. It's called ENERGY(W)=FD

It's understood. Would you care to tell us all how order needs intelligence? Everyone has asked you multiple times and you have been unable or unwilling to answer this simple question which is telling.

 

[paximperium]

The point is that ORDER REQUIRES INTELLIGENT DIRECTION and you act as if biological evolution just happens by luck, by some form of random accident, as if some form of NON-INTELLIGENCE could possibly be responsible for such incredible behavior. SAY SOMETHING that reveals the fact that you are actually thinking about this.

Since Evolution is not random, your entire statement shows your ignorance.

The key to selling is the KISS formula. KISS is an acronym which means....KEEP IT SIMPLE STUPID!!!!!!

Yes it is.
Science: There is a natural world
bwinwright: I don't understand science or even the natural world therefore some super all powerful oneness created the cosmos and loves me but I can't explain who or what this god is but believe meeeeeeee...

That's the biggest problem with atheists. Most are only pretenders without a real sales pitch.

HAHAHAHAHA...oh, the irony coming from this moron. No one here is evangelizing, you are...the oh, dishonesty and delusion...it burns...

Nobody in this forum has made a decent sales pitch on behalf of atheism. It's very sad.

Why? No one here is selling atheism, you're the one selling some BS belief.

I was hoping at least one of you could SAY SOMETHING of value.

You first.

You guys all worship at the feet of people like Richard Dawkins whose really just pissed off at organized religion.

Ouch...so painful...oh wait, I've never read Dawkins. I'm more a Spinoza and Humes guy but thanks for your amateurish Poisoning the Well.

He can't explain how order doesn't require intelligent direction either. None of you can. Why? Because it's IMPOSSIBLE!!!!!

It's called Energy. EVERYONE IS STILL WAITING FOR YOU TO EXPLAIN WHY ORDER REQUIRE INTELLIGENCE.

Yawn...keep repeating your claim that you've never supported. Maybe if you repeat it constantly it will magically come true..snort.

 

[Lucifuge Rofocale]

CurtC, you say the acorn is not an example of intelligent design but just an example of what biological evolution does naturally. Wow! How brilliant is that? Of course you aren't addressing the original point, are you?

Are you?

The point is that ORDER REQUIRES INTELLIGENT DIRECTION and you act as if biological evolution just happens by luck, by some form of random accident, as if some form of NON-INTELLIGENCE could possibly be responsible for such incredible behavior. SAY SOMETHING that reveals the fact that you are actually thinking about this.

How about this (I'm sure it has been asked to you before): INTELLIGENT DIRECTION REQUIERES ORDER. ........................ (Dots to let you think about the concept).

The key to selling is the KISS formula. KISS is an acronym which means....KEEP IT SIMPLE STUPID!!!!!! That's the biggest problem with atheists. Most are only pretenders without a real sales pitch. Nobody in this forum has made a decent sales pitch on behalf of atheism. It's very sad. I was hoping at least one of you could SAY SOMETHING of value.

KISS : Eliminate GOD and you have the simplest formula of all.

You guys all worship at the feet of people like Richard Dawkins whose really just pissed off at organized religion. He can't explain how order doesn't require intelligent direction either. None of you can. Why? Because it's IMPOSSIBLE!!!!!

At least RD exists .

It has been 'splained
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeSSwKffj9o

 

[Tubbythin]

CurtC, you say the acorn is not an example of intelligent design but just an example of what biological evolution does naturally. Wow! How brilliant is that? Of course you aren't addressing the original point, are you?

Thats because the original point wasn't much of a point. Just an assertion without evidence.

The point is that ORDER REQUIRES INTELLIGENT DIRECTION

You have shown precisely 0 evidence that this assertion is in anyway correct.

and you act as if biological evolution just happens by luck, by some form of random accident, as if some form of NON-INTELLIGENCE could possibly be responsible for such incredible behavior. SAY SOMETHING that reveals the fact that you are actually thinking about this.

Ever heard of "survival of the fittest"?

The key to selling is the KISS formula. KISS is an acronym which means....KEEP IT SIMPLE STUPID!!!!!! That's the biggest problem with atheists. Most are only pretenders without a real sales pitch. Nobody in this forum has made a decent sales pitch on behalf of atheism. It's very sad. I was hoping at least one of you could SAY SOMETHING of value.

Which is simpler... the universe is governed by a set of laws that are what they are and require no designer. Or, the universe is designed by a designer who in turn must be designed by a designer designer who in turn must be designed by a designer designer designer who in turn... ?

You guys all worship at the feet of people like Richard Dawkins whose really just pissed off at organized religion. He can't explain how order doesn't require intelligent direction either. None of you can. Why? Because it's IMPOSSIBLE!!!!!

The burden of proof is on you, not Dawkins. You haven't explained how order requires intelligent direction.

 

[Hokulele]

Is it only arrogance if you're incorrect about your superiority?

Hmm, good question. I would call it arrogance either way, but I can see how someone could find that it would only be arrogant if you refused to change your view, even when faced with evidence to the contrary. See my argument below.

I guess it could be argued that anyone who values humans over other animals could be displaying arrogance towards the animals. If you include insects then I would have thought it starts being the reincarnation religions who may be the only ones free from such arrogance.

There is a vast difference between someone valuing humans over animals, and stating that humans are superior to animals. The first statement indicates that there is a subjective value judgement being made, where the second implies an inherent worth. The arrogance creeps in when stating that not only is value inherent, but you know what everything is worth (you in the figurative sense, not necessarily you personally). How do you know humans are superior to animals?

Many religions (and many religious) assume that value is an inherent thing. I strongly disagree. This tends to lead to unjustified hierarchies that always lead to trouble from a moral perspective. It can also develop the mindset that other traits and properties are inherent. If you accept that any argument regarding superiority/inferiority can work both ways, and if you can accept that certain values fall on a continuum rather than being binary, it is easier to develop a consistent ethic when it comes to treating others (human and non).

Don't get me wrong, "love thy neighbor" and "love thine enemies" are both pieces of advice I wish more people would follow, I just don't think Christianity takes it far enough. Particularly when it is clear that certain Christians are willing to define exactly who qualifies as "neighbors" and "enemies", leaving some of the human race out (see Fred Phelps for an unfortunately extreme example).


Sorry for the start of a derail, but with the OP now being weird about some flavor of pantheism, we can take this to another thread if you'd rather.

 

[jenski]

Jenski, of course they are. When you boil one you can hear it scream, can't you?

Just kidding. The way I see it, which most of you are harshly reject, is that everything is unified, and this interconnected oneness is intelligent. This intelligence occupies all space, simultaneously. Therefore, since everything consists of this ineffable and intelligent oneness, this includes the acorn too.
Therefore, yes, the acorn is sentient. Of course, I don't speak acorn, so I don't know just how sentient an acorn really is.

It's like the old saying that God sleeps in minerals, awakens in plants, walks in animals, and thinks in man. Of course, I know Paxim will rip me a new one over this.

I try never to be harsh. However the bolded portion is exactly the problem. It is your opinion. While the old saying is certainly quaint, it is also an opinion.

 

[jenski]

The key to selling is the KISS formula. KISS is an acronym which means....KEEP IT SIMPLE STUPID!!!!!! That's the biggest problem with atheists. Most are only pretenders without a real sales pitch. Nobody in this forum has made a decent sales pitch on behalf of atheism. It's very sad. I was hoping at least one of you could SAY SOMETHING of value.


You guys all worship at the feet of people like Richard Dawkins whose really just pissed off at organized religion. He can't explain how order doesn't require intelligent direction either. None of you can. Why? Because it's IMPOSSIBLE!!!!!

If you make anymore strawmen, you're going to need fire insurance.

I personally do not 'sell' my atheistic philosophy. That's the glorious difference between you and I. You're the one coming to us with a sales pitch not the other way around.