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Psychic Samurai applies for MDC...apparently...

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A note to everyone, I believe Jeff said that the JREF cannot accept volunteers who are being paid to be volunteers.
 
The Professor said:
In fact, the US government and others use Entire Rooms that are designed as a Giant Faraday Cage. Many of our Embassies in other countries have used this technology for YEARS!
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My car is basically a giant Faraday cage. Can I have the million dollars?


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The Professor said:
Now back to the Challenge!

I will read my Invocation on the Devils Chair on 10/31 and recording equipment placed in a soundproof, farady cage type device that truly eliminates any type of interference known to mankind will be recording.
Because of this Invocation, recited by myself alone in this location, the previously blank tape will exhibit electronic anomalies that are NOT SCIENTIFICALLY EXPLAINABLE.
Since these "voices" can not be explained, by definition, the event will be Paranormal.

HOW'S THAT?
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I didn't think it was possible for the "claim" to get more abstract... I was wrong!

You can not seriously believe that "electronic anomalies" constitutes a testable claim?!

Have you formally submitted this to Jeff Wagg as your official claim of ability?
 
The Professor said:
Now back to the Challenge!

I will read my Invocation on the Devils Chair on 10/31 and recording equipment placed in a soundproof, farady cage type device that truly eliminates any type of interference known to mankind will be recording.
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Finally. This could be workable. Off course nothing can be inside the sealed container except the recording device ran by battery. I suggest a vintage recording device for simplicity. You yourself, and the other neccesary equipment will be outside the EM, light and soundproof/shock proof container.

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Because of this Invocation, recited by myself alone in this location, the previously blank tape will exhibit electronic anomalies that are NOT SCIENTIFICALLY EXPLAINABLE.
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Electronic anomalies are not paranormal. It is a quite common phenomenon, as Iæm sure we agree on. You should be more specific as to what constitutes a success and a failure. Example: an audible recitation of Hamlet constitutes a success. Anything else contitutes a failure.

And stop offering people money. It's childish and ridicoulous.

This a simple claim could have been stated weeks ago. But I'm guessing you're looking for an exit line here.

eirik
 
TP, you still seem to be ignoring the requests of the JREF to provide the necessary information, and instead choose to posture and make it sound like you are being treated unfaily by having to "jump through hoops".

Are there hoops to jump through? Of course! And they are all articulately stated in the MDC rules. It seems that you are implying that you should be exempt from jumping through these necessary hoops.

When it comes time for me to renew my license plate tags, it is plainly stated to me that I require a valid recent vehicle inspection and proof of insurance. If I show up at the Department of Motor Vehicles without one of these two requirements, I cannot in good conscience claim that the DMV is making me unfairly jump through hoops when they deny me my new tags.

If you truly want to proceed, I suggest answering each and every one of Jeff's requests for more information. This is more important for the claim than answering the regular JREF forum members. And if you do not understand what Jeff is asking for, then ask for clarification. This would certainly allow things to move forward... posturing and complaining will not.
 
chillzero said:
A note to everyone, I believe Jeff said that the JREF cannot accept volunteers who are being paid to be volunteers.
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The JREF's Jeff Wagg, does say that being paid makes you untrustworthy ..basically dishonest.

But the JREF is being paid too, so logically THEY themselves are dishonest by his own definition.

The JREF may just be too cheap to pay it's workers.

However, I AM NOT!

Join up now and partake in the Million!

$25,000 (If the JREF has still got it after the stock fiasco)

I started other threads on the internet that questioned the liquidity of the Million and now weeks later you see what I mean!
I was right to question it. :)
 
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The JREF's Jeff Wagg, does say that being paid makes you untrustworthy ..basically dishonest.

But the JREF is being paid too, so logically THEY themselves are dishonest by his own definition.
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Employees at the JREF are employed, and paid to do the jobs they are employed to do. They will not be volunteering for your test.

Volunteers in a test should not have a vested interest in the outcome. If you are paying people to assist you in getting the outcome you want, that's a vested interest, and could result in skewed results. The stipulation, as with the others, is for your own interest and good. I'm sure you wish to take and pass the test in as open and honest a fashion as possible. I'm certain you do not wish accusations of cheating to follow your success.
 
The Professor said:
The JREF's Jeff Wagg, does say that being paid makes you untrustworthy ..basically dishonest.

But the JREF is being paid too, so logically THEY themselves are dishonest by his own definition.

The JREF may just be too cheap to pay it's workers.

However, I AM NOT!

Join up now and partake in the Million!

$25,000 (If the JREF has still got it after the stock fiasco)

I started other threads on the internet that questioned the liquidity of the Million and now weeks later you see what I mean!
I was right to question it. :)
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This is a blatant (but clumsy) attempt to get booted. The Professor, you are flailing for any excuse to NOT take the test under proper observing conditions. Nobody is falling for it.

Only one claiming day before shenanigans. Get your whacking sticks ready.:viking1
 
The Professor said:
I am NOT ignoring your question. If the JREF Red tape is such that they refuse to test me this year then OF COURSE I will continue with the challenge for 2009.

Is that plain enough?
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Actually no, it isn't and let me explain why. You have set the date which leaves a very small window of time for both sides to be prepared for the test. Red tape is not the issue, nor is there tape of any other color. :) As of this point, you have not proposed a testable claim which I rather think you know. ;) No one is refusing to test you. You have given them nothing to test yet. Rather like an insurance claim - the company can't deny you if you haven't submitted anything to be denied.

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I will also offer $25,000 to those who honestly want to help me win.
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Most charitable of you I'm sure:), however it really is irrelevant.

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I've just heard the Million no longer exists!
Is it still the Million Dollar Challenge if this is true?
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If you have heard that - then you are misinformed to the best of my poor knowledge.
 
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The Professor said:
Now back to the Challenge!

I will read my Invocation on the Devils Chair on 10/31 and recording equipment placed in a soundproof, farady cage type device that truly eliminates any type of interference known to mankind will be recording.
Because of this Invocation, recited by myself alone in this location, the previously blank tape will exhibit electronic anomalies that are NOT SCIENTIFICALLY EXPLAINABLE.
Since these "voices" can not be explained, by definition, the event will be Paranormal.

HOW'S THAT?
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It is completely different from what you originally said you would do. Previously 'electronic anomalies' were voices that would answer your questions. Is this no longer the case? What exactly will these 'electronic anomalies' sound like? Voices? Static? If they are voices, will they be clear enough for any reasonable person to understand? If they are voices, will they answer random questions provided to you?

If they are not voices, exactly what sounds are we to hear?
 
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OK ...Jeff!!!
How does that sound? Good enough?
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TP -

You do realize that you have to send Jeff an email stating your claim, nto just tack on "Godd enough?" to somebody else's statement in this thread, right?

If you would like to adopt this as your claim, please email it to Jeff at your earliest opportunity.


n.b. I have no idea if this will constitute an acceptable claim.
 
The Professor said:
OK ...Jeff!!!
How does that sound? Good enough?
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How about YOU stating your claim?

This thread is about negotiating a protocol for the claim. Have you not reflected on what it is you/it/they \ actually spesifically can do? I suggest starting now, before goldman sachs does some bad investing..
 
I will read my Invocation on the Devils Chair on 10/31 and recording equipment placed in a soundproof, farady cage type device that truly eliminates any type of interference known to mankind will be recording.
Because of this Invocation, recited by myself alone in this location, the previously blank tape will exhibit electronic anomalies that are NOT SCIENTIFICALLY EXPLAINABLE.
Since these "voices" can not be explained, by definition, the event will be Paranormal.

HOW'S THAT?
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Not so good. You say above that there will be recording equipment inside the cage. Recording equipment CAN cause interference known to man. And there are known ways of transmitting audio and video signals secretly.

Also, IIRC, you will be supplying the Faraday cage. This will be a problem as you could gimmick it.

Why not look at the MDC forum for claims and protocols that have been accepted? You seem not to understand how to put together a claim that abides by the JREF rules. If you don't abide by the rules, of course you can't apply.
 
If the members of this Forum with all of your experience and years of dealing with the JREF MDC ... If even YOU can't come up with a claim, (Even if it is just a bunch of BS as you allude :) ) then you must admit that there is something amiss with this Challenge and it's implementation. You are proving that a REAL CHALLENGER will never be given the chance at the challenge!
People call this Challenge a SHAM on youtube and it is becoming obvious they are right!

Jeff
Please answer the question?
Will that satisfy your ever changing challenge rules :) ??????

If your own members can't come up with an acceptable one then who can?

Quit trying to protect the Million Dollars!

TEST ME!!!!!!
 
Dave, you keep saying that your demonstration will be "scientifically unexplainable," but your claim and protocol are so vague, and involve so many uncontrolled variables, that we have no reason to believe that it will be scientifically unexplainable.
 
The Professor said:
If the members of this Forum with all of your experience and years of dealing with the JREF MDC ... If even YOU can't come up with a claim, (Even if it is just a bunch of BS as you allude :) ) then you must admit that there is something amiss with this Challenge and it's implementation.
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Mr Koenig,
Nobody else can tell you what your claim is. Surely you understand that? It is up to you to tell us what you intend to do, and we can certainly help you with wording and so on, but so far, there's no clear claim.

If you read through other claims you will see that claimants came and said for example, "I can move flames with my mind" and we helped them define that into a testable claim. Or "I can make people pee with the power of God", and we looked at the protocol for testing that.

So far, you have not said "I can do <claimed ability>". That's all we need. Telling us you can recite a chant, isn't paranormal. Telling us sounds 'will apear' isn't specific enough.

We can't tell you what you are able to do - you need to tell us what you can do. You highlighted a few example posts as potential claim bases, but have not identified which part of the posts constituted the part of your claim that you can succeed in doing.
 
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If the members of this Forum with all of your experience and years of dealing with the JREF MDC ... If even YOU can't come up with a claim,
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It's not our job to come up with a claim. It's yours. You haven't yet.

You are proving that a REAL CHALLENGER will never be given the chance at the challenge!
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So far I haven't seen a real challenger; just someone who, like many previous wannabees, has discovered that the JREF will not tolerate second-rate magicians' trickery. Let me know if you intend to actually make a claim about something specific; in the meantime, it's just noise.
 
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