It seems his plan is to eliminate all normal ways sounds could end up on the tape. It seems a near impossible task to eliminate all of them as there are so many. From something as advanced as Hyper Sonic Sound to something as simple as two tin cans tied together with string. Given that the site hasn't been exactly secure, I'm uncertain how one would control for the possibility that a sound projection device of some sort hasn't already been embedded within the chair itself.
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It seems his plan is to eliminate all normal ways sounds could end up on the tape. It seems a near impossible task to eliminate all of them as there are so many. From something as advanced as Hyper Sonic Sound to something as simple as two tin cans tied together with string. Given that the site hasn't been exactly secure, I'm uncertain how one would control for the possibility that a sound projection device of some sort hasn't already been embedded within the chair itself.
Are things slowing down, or is my brain going faster? No actual clearly stated claim yet? It's September 24/25 and still no actual progress? This is really very disappointing, and I'll probably run out pf popcorn soon.
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I still think that the idea of The Professor not being aware what the questions are prior to entering the "Cone of Silence" and opening 10 sealed envelopes, asking each question (perhaps randomly?) one at a time, could eliminate most issues. After all, he did leap at this idea when it was first presented on this thread.
But lets take this one one step further. Since we are (apparently) dealing with a supernatural entity, why is it necessary even to verbalise the questions? Does the entity (whatever it is) have ears and need to hear whatever is being asked in english? Why can he/she/it then apparently respond in any language? If this entity understands a question in English, why can't it respond in English?
Professor, (and sorry for repeating what everybody has said probably 50 times on this thread) you can stop ALL the speculation by simply stating your claim as to exactly what is going to happen and how it is supernatural. "Something is going to happen" does not make the cut.
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But lets take this one one step further. Since we are (apparently) dealing with a supernatural entity, why is it necessary even to verbalise the questions? Does the entity (whatever it is) have ears and need to hear whatever is being asked in english? Why can he/she/it then apparently respond in any language? If this entity understands a question in English, why can't it respond in English?
Professor, (and sorry for repeating what everybody has said probably 50 times on this thread) you can stop ALL the speculation by simply stating your claim as to exactly what is going to happen and how it is supernatural. "Something is going to happen" does not make the cut.
Norm
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Who knows? As far as I'm aware TP hasn't given any information about this "entity" other than that it can somehow produce a voice, either audibly or on a recording. We haven't been given any other information about its capabilities.
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I suggest for a claim:
"I, The David Professor Slim Koenig King, et al
, can make a voice appear on a magnetic tape, while said tape is sealed in a box."
Protocol:
1. The paranormal event will occur on or near Devil's Chair at midnight on Halloween.
2. I will remain seated in the chair for 30 minutes beginning at midnight.
3. I will invoke the voice by speaking an invocation of my choosing at will througout the testing period.
4. The tape will be purchased new by the testing entity (using funds provided by me) and I will not have access to it and will not be allowed to touch it.
5. The tape will remain in it's sealed packaging for the duration of the test.
6. (Description of tape goes here)
7. The tape will be placed in a metal container. The container will be placed on the ground 10 feet in front of Devil's Chair, +- six inches.
8. Video and audio recording devices will be used to record the test at JREF's and the testing entitie's discretion.
9. At the conclusion of the test, the tester will open the sealed packaging, insert the tape into (description of tape player), and the Ghostbuster's theme song will be heard.
10. I can't write a protocol with 10 items either!
Only one claiming day before shenanigans.
"I, The David Professor Slim Koenig King, et al
, can make a voice appear on a magnetic tape, while said tape is sealed in a box."Protocol:
1. The paranormal event will occur on or near Devil's Chair at midnight on Halloween.
2. I will remain seated in the chair for 30 minutes beginning at midnight.
3. I will invoke the voice by speaking an invocation of my choosing at will througout the testing period.
4. The tape will be purchased new by the testing entity (using funds provided by me) and I will not have access to it and will not be allowed to touch it.
5. The tape will remain in it's sealed packaging for the duration of the test.
6. (Description of tape goes here)
7. The tape will be placed in a metal container. The container will be placed on the ground 10 feet in front of Devil's Chair, +- six inches.
8. Video and audio recording devices will be used to record the test at JREF's and the testing entitie's discretion.
9. At the conclusion of the test, the tester will open the sealed packaging, insert the tape into (description of tape player), and the Ghostbuster's theme song will be heard.
10. I can't write a protocol with 10 items either!
Only one claiming day before shenanigans.
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I'm really disappointed, but it seems the professor fails to even make a claim.
Why did everyone except the professor and jim callahan see this coming on, uuuuh, page 2. of the thread(rethorical question)?
Professor, honestly, this is embarrassing. You should be ashamed to waste everybodys time. You can get away with plenty in my book, but the disrespect you're showing to the people involved is stunning, and reflects strongly on you as a person.
Cartman said it: It's WRONG I tell you, just plain wrooOong. (it's wrong)
Why did everyone except the professor and jim callahan see this coming on, uuuuh, page 2. of the thread(rethorical question)?
Professor, honestly, this is embarrassing. You should be ashamed to waste everybodys time. You can get away with plenty in my book, but the disrespect you're showing to the people involved is stunning, and reflects strongly on you as a person.
Cartman said it: It's WRONG I tell you, just plain wrooOong. (it's wrong)
While I am sure TP is trying to stall the process eventually, I am not so sure thathe intends to stall the process at this stage. It seems to me that TP is not so good at words, and he has an extraordinary talent for complicating apparently simple issues.
Jim Callahan would probably make a better attempt at this claim than TP.
Though nobody can be sure owing to TP's inability to express himself unambiguously, it appears that TP claims he can record voices on electronic media under extraordinary circumstances. He does not specify the circumstances except in the vaguest terms, and he does not want to be specific if it is voices or noise that will be recorded.
Jim made an excellent suggestion that if voices were what was to be recorded then it could be tested without judging by having a number of test persons listen to the recordings, and if they all write down the same word, it is a voice, and not noise. TP seems to think that if anybody hears anything on any of the 6 media he has required, it would qualify as paranormal.
As for the extraordinary circumstances, I note that TP has never said that he expected voices to appear on tapes that had never been inserted into a recorder. He also specifically call for the recorders to be turned on, and I suppose that they must also be fitted with microphones. This is not very paranormal in my view. However, if he could accept that the recorders are acquired from independent sources that are unknown in advance for TP, each are ensured to be un-tampered, and are placed in sound-proof containers a wide distance from each other, then I think he may be on to something. Particularly if there could be a "control"-recorder, where nothing will be recorded, even though recordings mysteriously appear on the others.
In order to prevent tricks from the side of the JREF, the recorders could be demonstrated to work just before the test begins.
I believe that a protocol like this one, and the many others to have been presented, will not be accepted by TP, because it probably would prevent the conjuror's trick that he intended to pull during the test.
Jim Callahan would probably make a better attempt at this claim than TP.
Though nobody can be sure owing to TP's inability to express himself unambiguously, it appears that TP claims he can record voices on electronic media under extraordinary circumstances. He does not specify the circumstances except in the vaguest terms, and he does not want to be specific if it is voices or noise that will be recorded.
Jim made an excellent suggestion that if voices were what was to be recorded then it could be tested without judging by having a number of test persons listen to the recordings, and if they all write down the same word, it is a voice, and not noise. TP seems to think that if anybody hears anything on any of the 6 media he has required, it would qualify as paranormal.
As for the extraordinary circumstances, I note that TP has never said that he expected voices to appear on tapes that had never been inserted into a recorder. He also specifically call for the recorders to be turned on, and I suppose that they must also be fitted with microphones. This is not very paranormal in my view. However, if he could accept that the recorders are acquired from independent sources that are unknown in advance for TP, each are ensured to be un-tampered, and are placed in sound-proof containers a wide distance from each other, then I think he may be on to something. Particularly if there could be a "control"-recorder, where nothing will be recorded, even though recordings mysteriously appear on the others.
In order to prevent tricks from the side of the JREF, the recorders could be demonstrated to work just before the test begins.
I believe that a protocol like this one, and the many others to have been presented, will not be accepted by TP, because it probably would prevent the conjuror's trick that he intended to pull during the test.
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Yes, I have Mini Me stuffed inside the foam audio insulation, inside the copper box, inside the Reinforced Faraday Cage
(The same design used in the security market to protect information on Government and Big Business Computers)You'd think Randi might spot that?
Incorrect; and I am a professional in that field.
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If someone is asked to explain every aspect of a Paranormal Event the JREF knows that would be impossible. (Since they will continue to ask questions until the time limit is over)
A person may not know every aspect of HOW a car works, Spark plugs, fuel injections, transmission gear ratio's or even the pressure of the tires from model to model.
In the same way the JREF wants me to TRY to explain WHY and Paranormal Event has occurred.
That's NOT MY JOB!
If an Event has occurred that is NOT SCIENTIFICALLY EXPLAINABLE .... I win!
"That simple!" Just like Randi said.
Questions like WHO IS THE GHOST, AND WHERE DOES HE COME FROM etc have no relevance here.
They are just clouding the issue. A Paranormal Event!
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Gee ... Your an expert AND Clairvoyant?
How do you have ANY IDEA what designs I have.
Please let me know HOW you've seen my Security Faraday Cage or it's design?
If you can't then you are blowing smoke!
snoop_doxie
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The Professor,
No one has asked you to explain WHY (and I have read this whole thread).
Please just explain WHAT will happen. Please.
In the name of everything paranormal please!
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Regardless, this circus has been going on for weeks, and you still haven't managed to complete step one of the MDC requirements. The JREF would be well within their rights to pull the pin, despite knowing full well that you wanted that in the first place.
Jeff, I predicted precisely how TP's "application" would progress months ago, and I can prove it. Any chance this is worth a million dollars?
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Jeff, I predicted precisely how TP's "application" would progress months ago, and I can prove it. Any chance this is worth a million dollars?
Chris
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rwguinn
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BZZZT!If someone is asked to explain every aspect of a Paranormal Event the JREF knows that would be impossible. (Since they will continue to ask questions until the time limit is over)
A person may not know every aspect of HOW a car works, Spark plugs, fuel injections, transmission gear ratio's or even the pressure of the tires from model to model.
In the same way the JREF wants me to TRY to explain WHY and Paranormal Event has occurred.
That's NOT MY JOB!
If an Event has occurred that is NOT SCIENTIFICALLY EXPLAINABLE .... I win!
"That simple!" Just like Randi said.
Questions like WHO IS THE GHOST, AND WHERE DOES HE COME FROM etc have no relevance here.
They are just clouding the issue. A Paranormal Event!
All you have to do is do what you claim! Explanations can wait for another day. Once you have shown something can be done, science can find the mechanism- assuming it is repeatable. This is the reason for a prelim and final test--to show repeatability.
All you have to do, right now, is finish the sentence:
"I can, on October 31, sitting in the Devils Chair, cause ___________________"
Simple enough, huh?
RoboTimbo
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<snip>
If an Event has occurred that is NOT SCIENTIFICALLY EXPLAINABLE .... I win!
"That simple!" Just like Randi said.
You
have been given multiple possible explanations for voices appearing on tape, you simply refuse to acknowledge them and explain how you can show that the voices are anything but paranormal.I will agree with you on this:
I will say this again:
I suggest for a claim:
"I, The David Professor Slim Koenig King, et al
Protocol:
1. The paranormal event will occur on or near Devil's Chair at midnight on Halloween.
2. I will remain seated in the chair for 30 minutes beginning at midnight.
3. I will invoke the voice by speaking an invocation of my choosing at will througout the testing period.
4. The tape will be purchased new by the testing entity (using funds provided by me) and I will not have access to it and will not be allowed to touch it.
5. The tape will remain in it's sealed packaging for the duration of the test.
6. (Description of tape goes here)
7. The tape will be placed in a metal container. The container will be placed on the ground 10 feet in front of Devil's Chair, +- six inches.
8. Video and audio recording devices will be used to record the test at JREF's and the testing entitie's discretion.
9. At the conclusion of the test, the tester will open the sealed packaging, insert the tape into (description of tape player), and the Ghostbuster's theme song will be heard.
10. I can't write a protocol with 10 items either!
Is there any reason that your paranormal voice entity needs a tape recorder to record it's voice on magnetic recording tape? If it's paranormal, it should just be able to make it be there.
Everyone except you
is working hard on a claim and a protocol. Why is that?The Professor, please respond to whether this is a workable claim and protocol or not, and if not, why not?
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I'd like to thank everyone who is honestly trying to assist me in my quest to jump through all of the JREF MDC's hoops.
I would like to reward everyone for helping in this ongoing claim that will only end on 10/31/2009 as I've applied. I have considered extending my claim and rearranging the dates, since Jeff Wagg needs more than a month to get together his volunteers, as many have suggested.
So in an offer of fairness to all who have helped so much, I will be giving, if successful in winning the MDC, $25,000 each to the top ten selected JREF Forum member who assist in a successful claim and protocol. I appreciate your help!
That's Right!
$25,000 in appreciation! $25,000 each.
I hope that the money is still there. I've seen that a deviation of 17% would leave the JREF with Less than the Million promised. If that is the case then there really ISN'T a MDC anymore.
I would like to reward everyone for helping in this ongoing claim that will only end on 10/31/2009 as I've applied. I have considered extending my claim and rearranging the dates, since Jeff Wagg needs more than a month to get together his volunteers, as many have suggested.
So in an offer of fairness to all who have helped so much, I will be giving, if successful in winning the MDC, $25,000 each to the top ten selected JREF Forum member who assist in a successful claim and protocol. I appreciate your help!
That's Right!
$25,000 in appreciation! $25,000 each.
I hope that the money is still there. I've seen that a deviation of 17% would leave the JREF with Less than the Million promised. If that is the case then there really ISN'T a MDC anymore.
How do you expect to have equipment accepted for controlling purposes if you are not publishing details of the design? In fact, from previous experience, we know that the JREF will never accept any equipment that cannot be examined.
Even if you ever managed to make a paranormal claim, it seems you are heading for new hurdles!
You will not be able to formulate a claim that can be tested on Halloween in 2008, so I guess you will have to settle for 2009, but I doubt that you can make even that date if you do not speed up the proceedings.
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