Truthers...what is your best piece of evidence ?

[T.A.M.]

Does anyone else find it impossible to distinguish good sarcasm from actual twoofer beliefs?

yes. I put him on ignore. If it turns out that he was being sarcastic, please let me know, and I will take him off.

Usually one leaves some indication of ones sarcasm.

TAM

 

[Whiplash]

I'm very intersted in this theory, RedIbis. You have said you have one several times, but completely ignore questions and requests to state it. Please do so.

 

[RedIbis]

In another thread, Redibis claimed that Column 79 in WTC7 is the twoof movement's best piece of evidence.
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=4067219#post4067219
Myself and a few others asked him numerous times to give us his reasoning behind his theory of "Column 79". He avoided these questions like the plague. So here is a thread just for Ibis, to give us an in depth explanation for his theory of Column 79 in WTC7 being the "Truth" movements single best piece of evidence. Please provide calculations, sources, and relevant evidence for all claims presented. This thread is not for speculation.

This is not meant to be a "Call out" thread, but rather one for RedIbis to present us with his theory so we can critique it.

It looks to be a call out post.

 

[Totovader]

no mather what you answer, no mather how honest you are, they will all jump over you, pathetic

what a kindergarten

Coming from someone who didn't even try- that's pretty pathetic.

The onslaught of corrections coming from this side of the fence is the result of conspiracists being unable to answer the question. So yes, "no matter what", you will be "jumped on"- but that's a consequence of believing in fantasies, not in being a victim of them.

 

[Totovader]

Fair enough: that's not addressing my point- you're just reiterating your fallacy, and that doesn't help your case.

Is it a good idea to abandon logic in order to hold on to these fantasies of the so-called "Truth Movement", Red? Is it somehow better to ignore the evidence and reject fundamental scientific principles? Do conspiracy theories have something better (more reliable, more truthful, more factual) than reason?

You were asked for your best piece of evidence- what you responded with is something that is not evidence. I have to assume- from that- that you think the answer to each of the questions above would be "yes, science is inadequate to understand the universe- conspiracy theories are more equipped to understand the truth".

*bump* for Red.

 

[chillzero]

It looks to be a call out post.

So ignore it, and prove him wrong:

Red,
I'm not going to argue semantics with you on this, and I'm not going to ask you to produce the actual column for me.

Can you please tell me your theory as to why column 79 is the best evidence for a CT?

 

[Drudgewire]

Bottom line if this was a real movement instead of a stupid fantasist game of misdirection and fraud, we'd be the twoofers' best friends. They'd bring their evidence to us, we'd approach it skeptically, and they'd say "thanks, now we know why we can exclude this" and either move on to the next thing or try to figure out how their theories may still fit with the newly corrected data they've provided.

Instead, they put their fingers in their ears and go LALALALA YOU'RE A BUSH APOLOGIST AND WE'RE GOING TO KEEP PRESENTING THIS FLAWED DATA AS THE REAL THING BECAUSE SOME DOLTS ON THE INTERNET WILL ALWAYS BELIEVE IT.

Just sayin' is all. v

v

 

[DC]

next time i will lie, just to confirm Toto's prejudice

 

[DC]

Bottom line if this was a real movement instead of a stupid fantasist game of misdirection and fraud, we'd be the twoofers' best friends. They'd bring their evidence to us, we'd approach it skeptically, and they'd say "thanks, now we know why we can exclude this" and either move on to the next thing or try to figure out how their theories may still fit with the newly corrected data they've provided.

Instead, they put their fingers in their ears and go LALALALA YOU'RE A BUSH APOLOGIST AND WE'RE GOING TO KEEP PRESENTING THIS FLAWED DATA AS THE REAL THING BECAUSE SOME DOLTS ON THE INTERNET WILL ALWAYS BELIEVE IT.

Just sayin' is all. v[qimg]http://www.lethalwrestling.com/upload/shobon.gif[/qimg]v

yes you super smart beeing, thats why in every posts of twoofers in this topic you have been called shill and bushlover etc.......

you guys are so amusing.

 

[Totovader]

next time i will lie, just to confirm Toto's prejudice

I don't even know what that's supposed to mean, but I have no problem admitting that I am prejudiced against irrational fantasies. Truth be told: I think they are left over appendage of an immature human belief system- I think that rational people should be able to move beyond them.

In failing to even try to answer the question- a very simple yet very important question in relation to your particular brand of fantasy- we can see that you are unable to move beyond your fantasy. As I pointed out to Red above- which he ignored- this belief that conspiracy theories are more reliable than fundamental scientific principles is the reason that conspiracists can't even answer this simple question. And it's the reason that all you can do is whine and complain about being asked for a single piece of evidence. That's your own fault- don't start picking people out of the crowd to attack because your argument can't stand up to 5 seconds of scrutiny.

 

[chillzero]

Can we please stay on topic? I'm interested to find out what evidence is put forward.

 

[Drudgewire]

"Beeing?"


And don't look at me, I'm no physicist or engineer. The difference between the old CT me and the current one is I'm no longer dense enough to let my paranoia guide me towards automatically assuming people a lot smarter than me are either brainwashed or paid shills simply because they can prove I'm full of crap.

 

[DC]

i get asked what my best evidence is, i though ill be honest and say what i think, that i have not found any evidence. thats alot more than alot other truther would admit, they would bring up some hearsay and claim it evidence, or one or two interviews with withnesses and claim it evidence.
i tryed to be honest. that was a huge misstake.

to much JREFers are not interested in a debate, they just want some stupid comments or oppinions they can jump on and laugh about it

laughable

 

[DC]

"Beeing?"


And don't look at me, I'm no physicist or engineer. The difference between the old CT me and the current one is I'm no longer dense enough to let my paranoia guide me towards automatically assuming people a lot smarter than me are either brainwashed or paid shills simply because they can prove I'm full of crap.

but you love to generalize

 

[Totovader]

Can we please stay on topic? I'm interested to find out what evidence is put forward.

I'm interested too...


$100 to the first conspiracist that can provide their best piece of evidence substantiating a claim of a government conspiracy. As the OP said "the Commission Report itself" and other such nonsense clearly doesn't answer the question- and since Red has gone silent on his Column 79 of Mystery- we're all left a bit unsatisfied.

And before anyone questions my ability or my sincerity- search the threads for a conversation I had regarding the Jowenko paradox with a non-truther.

 

[Drudgewire]

i tryed to be honest. that was a huge misstake.

Instead of being hostile about it, let that sink a second. "I tried to be honest in a thread asking what the best evidence the truth movement has and admitted we didn't have any."

I mean, not now as I understand one-upsmanship as much as anyone. But later, when you're away from the computer and aren't engaging in debate or defending yourself from attacks or anything... just let that part of your comment bounce around in your head for awhile.

Sometimes it finally sinks in. I'm living proof.

 

[Totovader]

i get asked what my best evidence is, i though ill be honest and say what i think, that i have not found any evidence. thats alot more than alot other truther would admit, they would bring up some hearsay and claim it evidence, or one or two interviews with withnesses and claim it evidence.
i tryed to be honest. that was a huge misstake.

to much JREFers are not interested in a debate, they just want some stupid comments or oppinions they can jump on and laugh about it

laughable

Where did you try?

There is no debate if you don't have any evidence, DC. No one is interested in discussing things that are complete fantasies and are not grounded in reality. You can talk about flying cows and invisible dogs all day long, but unless it ties back to reality its nothing more than fiction, and it's utterly pointless.

Can you possibly try and understand this? By admitting that you believe in something that has absolutely no evidence you are committing the ultimate conspiracist suicide: you are openly admitting that facts and evidence do not matter to you- and they therefore cannot change your mind... you are admitting that logic and reason are of no use to you- because you can tell the "truth" using nothing more than your own personal whims.

The fact that your fantasies have no evidence and can't stand on their own does not bother you. It should. It really should.

 

[DC]

Instead of being hostile about it, let that sink a second. "I tried to be honest in a thread asking what the best evidence the truth movement has and admitted we didn't have any."

I mean, not now as I understand one-upsmanship as much as anyone. But later, when you're away from the computer and aren't engaging in debate or defending yourself from attacks or anything... just let that part of your comment bounce around in your head for awhile.

Sometimes it finally sinks in. I'm living proof.

i did not speak in the name of the TM nor am i a representant of the TM.

it is my personal oppinion, and alot truther do not agree with me on that.

but you people cant handle it if truthers dont act all the same.

 

[DC]

Where did you try?

There is no debate if you don't have any evidence, DC. No one is interested in discussing things that are complete fantasies and are not grounded in reality. You can talk about flying cows and invisible dogs all day long, but unless it ties back to reality its nothing more than fiction, and it's utterly pointless.

Can you possibly try and understand this? By admitting that you believe in something that has absolutely no evidence you are committing the ultimate conspiracist suicide: you are openly admitting that facts and evidence do not matter to you- and they therefore cannot change your mind... you are admitting that logic and reason are of no use to you- because you can tell the "truth" using nothing more than your own personal whims.

The fact that your fantasies have no evidence and can't stand on their own does not bother you. It should. It really should.

jajaja
you are so totaly right, like always.

bye bye have a nice day....

 

[Totovader]

jajaja
you are so totaly right, like always.

bye bye have a nice day....

Well- if I was wrong, I would expect that you would have a better rebuttal than this... and you have never been able to come up with anything better than this, really.

See if you can think about an answer. Even if you don't post it- just think about my question.