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Atheism is a false philosophy held by the most arrogant

The Drain said:
Ravdin, that's very well put! Especially the bit about the big bearded fellow bending or even breaking the laws of nature if you ask enough times.

That is something I will defintely remember next time I'm being harrassed by a biblical eejit - thank you!
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It is amazing isn't it?

Christians believe the Universe designed with them in mind, and that the designer maintains a strong personal interest in them and wants to provide them with a blissful eternity.

And they call this humility and self-negation.

Atheists believe they are an accidental and vanishingly inconsequential blip on the face of existence, soon to wink into oblivion.

And the Christians call this over-weaning arrogance and the glorification of self.

And none of them notice the absurdity in this position.
 
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My favorite clear-cut example of how order appears without intelligent direction is (big surprise) geological.

  • Take a bag of mud sand and gravel all stirred up and mixed in a disordered fashion.
  • Pour that bag into a tall container, like a graduated cylinder.
  • As you will quickly see, the gravel falls first, followed by the sand and finally the mud settles out.
  • When all of the sediment has settled, you will have several well-ordered layers of sediment. You have done nothing to put them in order. It was done by natural processes.
  • We see exactly this same process occurring in nature. Sediment sizes tell us a lot about how they were deposited.
  • None of this requires any sort of intervention.
This is a simple example that can be easily demonstrated. There are countless more complex examples that can be demonstrated with a little (or a lot) more effort.

Now if you want to discover how things can become ordered in a closed system while the disorder (entropy) of the universe is increasing overall, that will require some study of physics. But as an analogy, think of how you can increase the warmth in closed systems, like houses, by lighting a fire, even if the temperature outside is dropping.
 
Tricky said:
But as an analogy, think of how you can increase the warmth in closed systems, like houses, by lighting a fire, even if the temperature outside is dropping.
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That's arson, not entropy.


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*Looks at the thread Tags.*

What the heck is with some people and that word? It is spelled "ridiculous". No "e", damn it!
 
Tricky said:
My favorite clear-cut example of how order appears without intelligent direction is (big surprise) geological.

  • Take a bag of mud sand and gravel all stirred up and mixed in a disordered fashion.
  • Pour that bag into a tall container, like a graduated cylinder.
  • As you will quickly see, the gravel falls first, followed by the sand and finally the mud settles out.
  • When all of the sediment has settled, you will have several well-ordered layers of sediment. You have done nothing to put them in order. It was done by natural processes.
  • We see exactly this same process occurring in nature. Sediment sizes tell us a lot about how they were deposited.
  • None of this requires any sort of intervention.
This is a simple example that can be easily demonstrated. There are countless more complex examples that can be demonstrated with a little (or a lot) more effort.
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Wow, I'd heard of "Intelligent Falling," but I thought it was supposed to be a joke. I think I'm having a paradigm shift...
 
Golly, reading the OP I don't know which I find more surprising. A talk radio blowhard referring to any line of thought that doesn't exactly match with his own "Insanity" and "arrogance" or religious nutcases hanging on to the old discredited "But God HAS to exist because the 2nd law of thermodynamics says so" argument which they seem to love so much despite it being refuted roughly a kajillion times.

:rolleyes:
 
Nyarlathotep said:
...the old discredited "But God HAS to exist because the 2nd law of thermodynamics says so" argument which they seem to love so much despite it being refuted roughly a kajillion times
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If only there was some easy way to find those refutations

ETA: Hey wow! Look what I found!

Results 1 - 10 of about 617,000 for creationism second law thermodynamics.

The Second Law of Thermodynamics, Evolution, and Probability
Does evolution violate the second law of thermodynamics? Creationists say yes. This article describes in detail why the creationists are wrong. ...
www.talkorigins.org/faqs/thermo.html - 11k - Cached - Similar pages - Note this

My o my! ain't that handy!
 
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bwinwright said:
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You atheists need to stop the madness, the arrogance gone wild!
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Please, can you not see how your entire diatribe could be considered extremely arrogant?

I don't like labels and do not refer to myself as an atheist, although I hold no beliefs in any "super creature" that is somehow responsible for all that we experience. The reason for this is simple: no evidence. To simply state that "there must have been a creator" for something so magnificent as the universe and everything in it does not make it so. That is merely your belief and you are entitled to it, but if you wish to convince others of this you had better bring along some evidence next time.


M.
 
Common sense should tell you that the sophistication and complexity of any product demands an organizing intelligence capable of manufacturing it, right?
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I for one, am amazed at how they fit those great big trees into those little tiny seeds.
 
Robin said:
It is amazing isn't it?

Christians believe the Universe designed with them in mind, and that the designer maintains a strong personal interest in them and wants to provide them with a blissful eternity.

And they call this humility and self-negation.

Atheists believe they are an accidental and vanishingly inconsequential blip on the face of existence, soon to wink into oblivion.

And the Christians call this over-weaning arrogance and the glorification of self.

And none of them notice the absurdity in this position.
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To be fair, "arrogance" is a relative term and if we assume that what would effect other people the most is when arrogance is relative to other people, that particular Christian belief would mean that all people are equally special and would go hand in hand with loving your neighbour as yourself. I don't see how that would be arrogant.

The kind of anti-theist, confrontational atheists who are sure they're right can certainly come across as pretty arrogant. It's not uncommon to see arguments suggesting that they hold a more intellectual position than theists.

That said, bwinwright's posts are hardly the best example of humility :).
 
Egg said:
To be fair, "arrogance" is a relative term and if we assume that what would effect other people the most is when arrogance is relative to other people, that particular Christian belief would mean that all people are equally special and would go hand in hand with loving your neighbour as yourself. I don't see how that would be arrogant.
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I don't know, it still kind of strikes me as a little arrogant for someone to think that the whole universe was created for him/her and his/her neighbors. Even if you include all 6.7 billion neighbors. :)
 
Tricky said:
My favorite clear-cut example of how order appears without intelligent direction is (big surprise) geological.

  • Take a bag of mud sand and gravel all stirred up and mixed in a disordered fashion.
  • Pour that bag into a tall container, like a graduated cylinder.
  • As you will quickly see, the gravel falls first, followed by the sand and finally the mud settles out.
  • When all of the sediment has settled, you will have several well-ordered layers of sediment. You have done nothing to put them in order. It was done by natural processes.
  • We see exactly this same process occurring in nature. Sediment sizes tell us a lot about how they were deposited.
  • None of this requires any sort of intervention.
This is a simple example that can be easily demonstrated. There are countless more complex examples that can be demonstrated with a little (or a lot) more effort.

Now if you want to discover how things can become ordered in a closed system while the disorder (entropy) of the universe is increasing overall, that will require some study of physics. But as an analogy, think of how you can increase the warmth in closed systems, like houses, by lighting a fire, even if the temperature outside is dropping.
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What a load of dragon-poo.
 
Egg said:
To be fair, "arrogance" is a relative term and if we assume that what would effect other people the most is when arrogance is relative to other people, that particular Christian belief would mean that all people are equally special and would go hand in hand with loving your neighbour as yourself. I don't see how that would be arrogant.
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A cat would find that merely presumptuous.
 
Hokulele said:
A cat would find that merely presumptuous.
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A Dog looks at its owner:
"She feeds me, loves me and takes me on walks; she must be God."
A Cat looks at its owner:
"She feeds me, loves me and brushes my fur; I must be God"
 
Hi Egg,

As this thread is likely to go nowhere fast, hopefully you won't mind me playing devils avocado with your post above

If you do, skip this post :)

Egg said:
The kind of anti-theist, confrontational atheists who are sure they're right
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Right about what? Right about thinking that theism is a load of superstitious, nonsensical, ridiculous old smeg held together by circular reasoning and wishful thinking?

Egg said:
It's not uncommon to see arguments suggesting that they hold a more intellectual position than theists.
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Find me a theologian that makes a conscious effort to view theism objectively and, I wager, I'll be able to show you an agnostic
 
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