Psychic Samurai applies for MDC...apparently...

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Just to add to my last post-if it passes moderation-I don't see any paranormal claim amongst that mumbo jumbo.

State what your paranormal claim is.
Reciting nonsense "Invocations" isnt paranormal.The Devils chair isnt paranormal.James Randi doesn't act as a judge either so you can forget that piece of grandstanding.
Did you actually read the rules?!

TV cameras,laptops? I cant see these being allowed.
 
The Professor said:
Although several Paid Professional Writers do NOT believe that the James Randi Educational Foundation's Million Dollar Challenge is in any way a true test and it is a waste of anyones time to even apply, I intend to persist, even though obvious discrimination from members of the JREF has taken place.
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Your Paid Professional Writers are mistaken. And you are mistaken about discrimination.
Please read the entire claim as I will NOT waste my time answering questions emanating from ignorance of the facts provided.

Here is MY CLAIM of a Paranormal Event to take place as provided for by the JREF
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I've deleted the parenthetical parts for the sake of responding to this thread.
The Foundation is committed to providing reliable information about paranormal claims. It both supports and conducts original research into such claims.

At JREF, we offer a one-million-dollar prize to anyone who can show, under proper observing conditions, evidence of any paranormal, supernatural, or occult power or EVENT.

I David Koenig,
http://professorslimking.com/
Will sit on the Devil's Chair

In Lake Helen Florida
http://maps.google.com/maps?client=...um=1&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&resnum=1&ct=title

on 10/31/2008 and 10/31/2009, ( Unless the JREF choses to forgo the preliminary test as they have offered to others... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hW1KaSSftLE)
( I ask again that this be granted without the seemingly mandatory rejection of the request by Alison Michelle Smith before she was removed from the case.)
( Millions have reported Paranormal Events on this particular day for hundreds of years)
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Your request is denied. Waiving the preliminary is completely at the discretion of the JREF, and we see no reason to do so here.
and perform the following Invocation.
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Invocation removed as well. It's irrelevant to your claim.
James Randi himself must be present to represent the James Randi Eductional Foundation's Million Dollar Challenge in Lake Helen at the Devil's Chair. No secondary substitutes should be acceptable since I've signed a contract with James Randi himself.
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Randi will not be present.
Inside of a custom Faraday cage designed with clear and accepted scientific standards of effectiveness, will be two video recorders, two televisions, two audio recording devices, and two laptop computers. The video camera/recorders and televisions will be set in a video loop with the camera facing the television screen and connected to cause this loop and turned on prior to the Invocation.. The audio recording devices will also be turned on as well as the audio/video recording programs in the laptops at the same time. All recording tape will be free of any previous recording. All other instruments will be free of previous recording, either erased or simply blank from the beginning of the test. All recordings will be clean and blank prior to the test. The double testing will insure an effective test should any devices fail during the experiment.
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What does "clear and accepted scientific standards of effectiveness" mean? Who is judging this?
The recording devices will be turned on before the initial Invocation and will be left on for 27 minutes.

During this time the Invocation will be given once again approximately 15 minutes into the test.

The recording instruments will be examined. The tape recordings, and digital recordings will be viewed and listened to.

Since the devices were blank prior to the Invocation the following will be true.

If any evidence is found on the tapes or digital recordings that is NOT SCIENTIFICALLY EXPLAINABLE it will be considered a successful test of the Paranormal.
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What if the scientific explanation is that it's most likely a trick? Or a passing bird? This requires judging, and that is explicitly not allowed in the challenge.
2.2 What is the definition of “paranormal” in regards to the Challenge?

Webster’s Online Dictionary defines “paranormal” as “not scientifically explainable; supernatural.”

Within the Challenge, this means that at the time your application is submitted and approved, your claim will be considered paranormal for the duration. If, after testing, it is decided that your ability is either scientifically explainable or will be someday, you needn’t worry. If the JREF has agreed to test you, then your claim is paranormal.



This is a very testable claim and I can't wait to perform it on 10/31/2008 for the Million Dollar Prize!

David Koenig
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David, I have to ask you again, what is your claim? This is a protocol you've submitted. We still don't know what your claimed ability is.
 
The Professor said:
Jeff Wagg says
The fact that you offered them financial incentive eliminates them as people we would trust. They can no longer be neutral.

(About the paranormal research groups asked to help)

WELL THEN.....
So that eliminates YOU from being trusted or neutral!!!!!!
Don't be hypocritical. One standard for all, right?

If you eliminate them then you must eliminate yourself as being biased and untrustworthy as you did them!
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Of course, that is why JREF staff is most often not present at challenges. However, you asked that Randi be there, so I'm confused as to what you want.

At any rate, Randi will not be there, and I have no plans to be there either.
 
The Professor said:
Of course it does! There is no way to falsify it. If you have one please let us know. Otherwise you are wrong until you can show one.
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No, that is incorrect.

Consider this.. you have a lot of electronics under the Faraday cage.. what if one of the TVs malfunctioned, and sent a signal that one of the recorders picked up. I've seen this happen.

How can we tell the difference between that event and something paranormal?

However, until we have your claim, there's no way to design a protocol to eliminate such ambiguous results.
 
The Professor said:
Of course it does! There is no way to falsify it. If you have one please let us know. Otherwise you are wrong until you can show one.
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I assume you were responding to my last post. You are correct: There indeed is no way to falsify it.

Hence, the JREF will not accept said protocol. I quote from the application form page: "[...]Only claims that can be verified by evidence under proper observing conditions will be accepted. Also, JREF will NOT accept claims of the existence of deities or demons/angels, the validity of exorcism, religious claims, cloudbusting, causing the Sun to rise or the stars to move, etc.[...]"



Also, you are still short of a claim.
 
With all due respect, if this is the work of paid, professional writers, I'd ask for a refund.
 
Excuse slight off topic-ness. Id be intrested to know who these writers are.
Also so what if they think JREF is unfair.It is their opinion,not a scientific fact.I have my opinion of you of which I am freely entitled.Doesn't make it any more true than your writers' opinion.

Can you tell us what your paranormal ability is?
 
TP, how about something much more simpler.
Tell me if this is acceptable.
Your claim: you can make a clear visible human voice appear on the blank tapes answering questions that you will ask in the 27 minutes. The questions will not be known to you or anyone else before hand. The recording devices will be placed in a Faraday cage which the JREF will test before hand by placing any recording devices they wish inside the cage and trying to record on them by any means they see fit. Once the JREF accepts that the cage is non penetrable, the recording device will be placed again inside the cage and switched on. The 27 minutes begin by you asking the questions which will be given to you one at a time. After the test is complete there should be a clear human voice on these tapes answering the questions you have asked in the exact same order that you asked them.

you claim: you are able to control EM waves with your mind alone in such a way that this EM radiation appears as clear human voice on electronic media which cannot be reached by any known means.

I think that is fair +/- some changes as will seem fit by both sides.
 
yairhol,
A voice would be 'audible', not 'visible'... yes?
How do you get questions that are unknown to anyone?
 
Jeff
I have not emailed you my completed claim as we are to negotiate this on email as instructed. So until I email you my "Official" claim, anything on this Forum is conjecture. Not legal in any way I would think. Me giving these guys a "Sneak peak" is not official in any way!
You are breaking your own rules if you expect me to negotiate this in your "Sea Of Closed Minded Sharks".
After all Jeff, YOU are Paid to reject challenges just as an insurance adjuster is "Paid" to get out of Paying Anything!

How can Randi give me his PERSONAL CHECK without signing it? Why would someone want to receive a Personal Check that was not made out in PERSON!
Randi clearly says the He will present a personal check for $10,000 that he has in his wallet.
 
I must agree with all of the criticisms of this application. At this point, I must assume that one of three situations are occurring:

1) TP has not read the challenge rules (along with previous MDC applications).
2) TP has not adequately understood the rules of the challenge.
3) TP is intentionally attempting to misrepresent or bend the rules.

I'm not trying to be disparaging. However, a single read through the challenge rules makes it immediately clear why such a claim cannot produce results that would be objectively obvious without judging. Nor has the claim stated, in no uncertain terms, the exact method by which all trickery would be eliminated. The claim has not stated what exactly will be recorded upon the media. At best, this claim is full of holes... and the ship is sinking.

I also think that an apology is owed to the JREF (although I do not expect to see one). The staff is accused of potential dishonesty in conducting the test... when a quick perusal of the previous MDC tests should make it quite obvious that the JREF themselves would not be conducting the actual test. When you are wrong, failing to "do your homework" is never an adequate excuse.
 
jenski said:
With all due respect, if this is the work of paid, professional writers, I'd ask for a refund.
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No. It is my work. The writers insist this is a SHAM just like many many others are declaring on video and live! The light is shining into the dark place and it is revealing the MDC for the SHAM that others are calling it!
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chillzero said:
yairhol,
A voice would be 'audible', not 'visible'... yes?
How do you get questions that are unknown to anyone?
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audible audible of course...:o
questions unknown to anyone aside from the JREF or whomever is appointed by the JREF to be responsible for the test.
 
The Professor said:
No. It is my work. The writers insist this is a SHAM just like many many others are declaring on video and live! The light is shining into the dark place and it is revealing the MDC for the SHAM that others are calling it!
:cool::cool:
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Oh brother, stop with the crying already.
look at my post #708 and tell me what you think. Is this acceptable to you?
 
Jeff ... You are stuck with YOUR OWN DEFINITION of PARANORMAL!
Now you try to waffle out of it!
But I'm not letting you.
IF IT'S NOT SCIENTIFICALLY EXPLAINABLE THEN IT'S PARANORMAL ... And I win!

If you have a scientific explanation for the results then you win. If you don't then I DO!

No judging involved!

YOU are obligated to show this scientific explanation if that is how you want to disprove what has happened.

It is inherent in the word UNEXPLAINABLE as in SCIENTIFICALLY UNEXPLAINABLE.

You must stick with your definition and not ignore it.
 
One small caveat: A Faraday cage will not guard against light transmission -- it is very easy to send & receive data with light, including UV (ultraviolet) and IR (infrared). A television remote control is probably the most common example.
 
The Professor said:
No. It is my work. The writers insist this is a SHAM just like many many others are declaring on video and live! The light is shining into the dark place and it is revealing the MDC for the SHAM that others are calling it!
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In another thread, those writers could provide evidence for their statement.

In fact, I will start the thread myself and invite your writers - and you - to join and present the facts which lead them to their conclusion.



For this thread, TP, could you please present a testable claim?



Or: Simply negotiate privately with Jeff Wagg via e.g. e-mail to get things moving faster.

Or: You could very well negotiate publicly in an open forum, where everyone willing could see what both sides say. Ah, but how to find such a place?
 
Can you narrow down your long diatribe into an actual claim of the paranormal happening?
I got 'You sit on the chair, and you say this thing, and then _something_ will happen. And it'll be paranormal'.

That's not really a claim. What's the 'something'?
 
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