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Time: "John McCain and the Lying Game"

But I wonder why people love to vote for notorious Liars...

You don't wonder that at all. You wonder why people vote for Republicans. Does it puzzle you that people voted for Bill Clinton? Doesn't look like it.
 
You don't wonder that at all. You wonder why people vote for Republicans. Does it puzzle you that people voted for Bill Clinton? Doesn't look like it.


Of course I wonder about that. Where is the sense in voting Republican
"no matter what!". I wouldn't vote for a Liar - no matter if he runs for
the greatest Party in the universe - or not. Voting for the best the Reps
came up with, their best choice so to say, doesn't make sense in too
many ways. Lying, of course, is a major violation of Republican moral
standards - as far I learned from reading about them.
 
Of course I wonder about that. Where is the sense in voting Republican
"no matter what!".

Who said anything about "no matter what"?

I wouldn't vote for a Liar - no matter if he runs for
the greatest Party in the universe - or not.

Of course you would. If you've ever voted, you probably already have. Your pretense to the contrary only shows that you are a liar.

Lying, of course, is a major violation of Republican moral
standards - as far I learned from reading about them.

Are you suggesting that Democrats are OK with lying?
 
Of course I wonder about that. Where is the sense in voting Republican
"no matter what!". I wouldn't vote for a Liar - no matter if he runs for
the greatest Party in the universe - or not.

Yup.

I voted against a 2nd term for Clinton and against Gore (mainly because of Clinton) because of the lying and deceit I felt was going on with that administration.

This is actually the MOST annoying thing about our political system here in the US. People don't vote on qualifications, policy or issues, they vote completely with their emotions and their political affiliation.

That is the reason we are in the mess we are in and it sure didn't start with GWB or Tricky Bill, it is a much deeper and longer running issue in American politics.

I agree with Obama, this has got to stop or we are going to rip ourselves apart. McCain's campaign is evidence of that, it is the ratcheting up the problems we have had for many candidates and administrations for years now to a whole new level .

It is now just standard practice to lie when you can't come up with a defense for you positions. Lying and deceit causes all sorts of "us vs. them" reactions on both sides. It does not get any better until we get out of this cycle of mistrust and hate.

I am not saying Obama can or would attempt to accomplish this once elected, and let us not forget it would take a little reaching across the isle on both sides. That said we see how McCain is heading and it is not in the right direction as far as I am concerned..
 
Who said anything about "no matter what"?

Of course you would. If you've ever voted, you probably already have. Your pretense to the contrary only shows that you are a liar.

Are you suggesting that Democrats are OK with lying?


I still never voted since there is a whole different situation over here.
But I also wouldn't vote for a Liar if I would vote in elections, no matter
what country, party or universe. :p

No, the Dems aren't okay with lying. They just don't hold up the
"We, the Morals" banner in such a ridiculous manner as the Reps do.
 
Of course you would. If you've ever voted, you probably already have. Your pretense to the contrary only shows that you are a liar.

Like everything else in life there are degrees. No issue is back and white on it's own unless and until you place in it's own vacuum and sever all connections to real world association between events.

As the article said (did you read it?)....

Politics has always been lousy with blather and chicanery. But there are rules and traditions too. In the early weeks of the general-election campaign, a consensus has grown in the political community — a consensus that ranges from practitioners like Karl Rove to commentators like, well, me — that John McCain has allowed his campaign to slip the normal bounds of political propriety. The situation has gotten so intense that we in the media have slipped our normal rules as well. Usually when a candidate tells something less than the truth, we mince words. We use euphemisms like mendacity and inaccuracy ... or, as the Associated Press put it, "McCain's claims skirt facts." But increasing numbers of otherwise sober observers, even such august institutions as the New York Times editorial board, are calling John McCain a liar. You might well ask, What has McCain done to deserve this? What unwritten rules did he break? Are his transgressions of degree or of kind?


Almost every politician stretches the truth. We journalists try to point out the exaggerations and criticize them, then let the voters decide. When McCain says, for example, that Barack Obama favors a government-run health-care system, he's not telling the truth — Obama wants a market-based system subsidized by the government — but McCain's untruth illuminates a general policy direction, which is sketchy but sort of within the bounds. (Obama's plan would increase government regulation of the drug and insurance industries.) Obama has done this sort of thing too. In July, he accused McCain of supporting the foreign buyout of an American company that could lead to the loss of about 8,000 jobs in Wilmington, Ohio. McCain did support the deal, but the job loss comes many years later and was not anticipated at the time. That, however, is where the moral equivalency between these two campaigns ends.
 
I still never voted since there is a whole different situation over here.
But I also wouldn't vote for a Liar if I would vote in elections, no matter
what country, party or universe.

Why don't you vote btw?
 
By whose standard? They attempt to be even-handed, but I would guess that many conservatives consider them part of the Librul Press.


Well, I would assume that their focus would be on attacking conservatives
to claim that they're truly liberal. But I can't tell if this is correct since I don't
read their articles on a weekly or even monthly basis.
 
Yup.

I voted against a 2nd term for Clinton and against Gore (mainly because of Clinton) because of the lying and deceit I felt was going on with that administration.

This is actually the MOST annoying thing about our political system here in the US. People don't vote on qualifications, policy or issues, they vote completely with their emotions and their political affiliation.

That is the reason we are in the mess we are in and it sure didn't start with GWB or Tricky Bill, it is a much deeper and longer running issue in American politics.

I agree with Obama, this has got to stop or we are going to rip ourselves apart. McCain's campaign is evidence of that, it is the ratcheting up the problems we have had for many candidates and administrations for years now to a whole new level .

It is now just standard practice to lie when you can't come up with a defense for you positions. Lying and deceit causes all sorts of "us vs. them" reactions on both sides. It does not get any better until we get out of this cycle of mistrust and hate.

I am not saying Obama can or would attempt to accomplish this once elected, and let us not forget it would take a little reaching across the isle on both sides. That said we see how McCain is heading and it is not in the right direction as far as I am concerned..


I agree with you - and even if McCain is a liar and the current presidents
approval rating is about 27%, there is still a huge support for a lying McCain
who pretty much followed the 27% candidate all the time while not knowing
much about economics.

How worse could it get that those supporters wouldn't vote for him anymore?
I guess lying is a pretty bad behavior for a republican Choice since they whined
in a chorus when Clinton lied.

So why should anyone still vote for McCain. Because the other choice
would be a Democratic one??? :confused::boggled:
 
This is actually the MOST annoying thing about our political system here in the US. People don't vote on qualifications, policy or issues, they vote completely with their emotions and their political affiliation.

Not really. If you examine electoral maps, you can find lots of places (whether you're talking about states, counties, precincts, whatever) where the vote for president and the vote for Senator or Congressman don't go to the same party. Because of the winner-take-all system, party affiliation is less important here than it is in a parliamentary system.
 
Maybe people love John McCain because McCain doesn"t love people like Hugo Chávez. Obama should talk to Ahmadinejad but not Hugo Chávez.
 

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