jaydeehess
Penultimate Amazing
He exceeded Vmo, not the 'design limit'. The design limit is, IIRC 0.95 mach Beachnut might correct me on that if I am not.Capt. Russ Wittenberg
"I flew the two actual aircraft which were involved in 9/11; the Fight number 175 and Flight 93, the 757 that allegedly went down in Shanksville and Flight 175 is the aircraft that's alleged to have hit the South Tower. I don't believe it's possible for, like I said, for a terrorist, a so-called terrorist to train on a [Cessna] 172, then jump in a cockpit of a 757-767 class cockpit, and vertical navigate the aircraft, lateral navigate the aircraft, and fly the airplane at speeds exceeding it's design limit speed by well over 100 knots,
The math on the turn into the Pentagon indicates that the plane never had more than 1 g lateral and 2 g vertical (including the 1 g from gravity itself) This is the math that Newton came up with and I believe it before Wittenbergmake high-speed high-banked turns, exceeding -- pulling probably 5, 6, 7 G's.And the aircraft would literally fall out of the sky. I couldn't do it and I'm absolutely positive they couldn't do it."
Capt. Daniel Davis: "Finally, going over the hill and highway and crashing into the Pentagon right at the wall/ground interface is nearly impossible for even a small slow single engine airplane and no way for a 757. Maybe the best pilot in the world could accomplish that but not these unskilled "terrorists".
Logical fallacy sometimes known as the "Texas Sharpshooter" in which the arguement is that the result was exactly what had been intended. What intel does Davis have that it was wall/ground interface that Hanjour was specifically targeting?
Again the math shows that it was not in fact a tight turn"Commander Muga: The maneuver at the Pentagon was just a tight spiral coming down out of 7,000 feet.
Which he says after his first, incorrect statement.And a commercial aircraft, while they can in fact structurally somewhat handle that maneuver, they are very, very, very difficult. And it would take considerable training.
It in no way was a 'military manouver, it was a 33 fps desent and a 3 minute turnIn other words, commercial aircraft are designed for a particular purpose and that is for comfort and for passengers and it's not for military maneuvers.
Which he says after another incorrect statement.And while they are structurally capable of doing them, it takes some very, very talented pilots to do that. ...
Since the manouver he describes is not characteristic of the manouver performed his final statement is hardly one of authority.I just can't imagine an amateur even being able to come close to performing a maneuver of that nature."