Will Obama drop Biden?

[Grizzly Bear]

Yes, both did so already. But dropping a VP would be a major attacking point for the Republican Clowns for the rest of the election Circus.

It'd be just as much a carnival ride if McCain did the same... not really a criticism to you on my part, I'm just pointing it out... Both parties are inclined to clown out the other when they find dirt on each other, we've seen it throughout the election cycle so far

 

[Ziggurat]

she's vastly more qualified than Harriet Miers

That's a backhanded compliment - too bad it doesn't sound intentionally so. Miers was so unqualified that conservatives opposed her. That Hillary is more qualified than Miers doesn't make her a good choice. She isn't.

 

[ProbeX]

Fair enough, but I still think she would be awesome. "Justice Clinton." Come one, the Senate would ratify her just like that.

I kinda thought you had to have morals to qualify for that gig (?).

 

[boloboffin]

Being a judge is not a prerequisite for being on the Supreme Court. Clinton has plenty of qualifications, as has been pointed out.

 

[Oliver]

It'd be just as much a carnival ride if McCain did the same... not really a criticism to you on my part, I'm just pointing it out... Both parties are inclined to clown out the other when they find dirt on each other, we've seen it throughout the election cycle so far

*lol* Yes, that's actually true in American Elections. It's one big
Soap Opera - and you never know who will win the race until it's
over...

 

[chipmunk stew]

You did read the post right above what you just posted, right?

There are ways to make it look like Obama had nothing to do with it and he has to pick another candidate.

The only way it wouldn't look like Obama had nothing to do with it would be if Biden kicked the bucket. Even that wouldn't stop a lot of people from pointing the finger at Obama.

If Biden leaves the ticket for any reason, Obama loses. He's here to stay.

 

[novice skeptic]

I guess it was a failure for Obama to announce the VP pick before the
Reps did. But is there a precedence for dropping a VP after the convention
in US history?

1972: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Eagleton

 

[novice skeptic]

Being a judge is not a prerequisite for being on the Supreme Court. Clinton has plenty of qualifications, as has been pointed out.

According to the Constitution there ARE no prerequisite's for the Supreme Court, but that doesn't mean that there wouldn't be more qualified candidates than someone who hasn't practiced law in 15+ years and who has never been a judge.

 

[leftysergeant]

Biden is qualified. Clinton would have been a good pick for votes and nothing more. There would be too much tension, and people would worry about Bill being back on the scene.

It's about change, okay? Biden has worked to get where he is.

Now, you want to talk about an unqualified bozo on the ticket, that's Palin.

All she has done, really, since she got on the ticket is snivel and waffle and cover her sorry butt so that people don't realize what a dangerous witch she is. Can't have any of that. Sooner or later, people are going to find out they've been had.

 

[boloboffin]

According to the Constitution there ARE no prerequisite's for the Supreme Court, but that doesn't mean that there wouldn't be more qualified candidates than someone who hasn't practiced law in 15+ years and who has never been a judge.

Interesting. I didn't realize the conversation was about "more qualified". I suspect that's something you've introduced as a straw man.

ETA: And "hasn't practiced law in 15+ years" isn't the disqualification you imagine it to be, since the first eight of those years she was a First Lady intimately involved in her husband's administration, and for the last eight of those years she's been a Senator, actually involved in making law. Perhaps she's kept current in the subject.

 

[Jeff Corey]

... But is there a precedence for dropping a VP after the convention in US history?...

Thomas Eagleton was dropped from McGovern's ticket 18 days after the convention in 1972.
ETA, scooped by Novice.

 

[Puppycow]

I can't see a case where the VP pick can be changed without it being a big political disaster. For either side. You can't contrive an excuse either (such as a sudden need to spend more time with one's family) without everyone seeing it for what it is. So no. The die has been cast.

However, Hillary for Supreme Court is still a possibility!

 

[leftysergeant]

It would be a perfect spot for Clinton. If she became president, she would have eight years max to do her thing. As a Supreme Court Justice, I could see her lasting for fifteen to twenty.

Imagine you were really into holding power to reshape the country or prevent its going in a direction you don't like. Where would you be able to do the most to forward your beliefs?

Not letting another Republican president stick us with a dud for the rest of our lives has to be a major concern. If she has been offered the next empty seat, Clinton should fight to get Obama and Biden elected.

 

[Puppycow]

Thanks, I'd rather have someone who has spent some years as a judge. I am sure there are plenty of centrist to left minded judges well qualified for the post when Ginsberg hangs up her cleats, if Obama is president. Hillary has no business on the Supreme Court. Not a chance in hell of her being objective.

You will note that Meiers never got off of step zero. She had no business being nominated, IMO.

DR

IIRC there have been SCOTUS justices with no prior experience as a judge. Such as Chief Justice Earl Warren.

Warren was a DA and a Governor, but never a judge.

 

[Puppycow]

Thomas Eagleton was dropped from McGovern's ticket 18 days after the convention in 1972.
ETA, scooped by Novice.

And of course McGovern lost in the most lopsided election in modern times.

Nixon got 49 states and 60.7 percent of the popular vote, McGovern, a paltry 37.5%.

 

[leftysergeant]

Warren was a DA and a Governor, but never a judge.

Oh crap! Now you've gone and done it. Mentioning that name to a right-winger is like catering a Bar Mitzvah and bringing ham and cheese sandwiches.

I have to admit, however, it was one of the better appointments Eisenhower made, even if he did regret it later.

 

[BPSCG]

I suggested this in a thread that has since dropped off page 1, referring to Biden's comment that Clinton might have been a better choice:

This is the first step.

Step 2: Biden vanishes from the campaign trail for ten days.

Step 3: Biden re-emerges to announce his doctors have discovered a previously-undisclosed medical condition that would make it impossible for him to serve as vice-president, and that he is stepping down.

Step 4: Obama introduces Hillary Clinton as his new running-mate.

Step 5: All the sheep women who flocked to McCain/Palin come back into the Democratic fold. Obama rides a new surge of support to victory in November.

Step 6: Obama found dead in the Oval Office of an apparent heart attack. Three lit cigarettes are found in his mouth, along with a full package's worth of chewed-up Nicorette gum, and six nicotine patches on his arms, another eight on his legs.

Step 7: As a stunned nation mourns, Hillary Rodham Clinton is sworn in as the 45th President of the United States of America. Her first official act: Names Joe Biden Chief Justice of the United States, replacing the recently-deceased John Roberts, who had been killed by a mysterious Chinese lone gunman (who then turned his gun on himself) just a week before.

Seriously, I don't think there's a chance in the world that Biden would be replaced unless he says something really, really stupid and embarrassing.

So I make the odds about 50-50.

 

[BPSCG]

It's about change, okay? Biden has worked to get where he is.

LS, you really shouldn't use the words "change" and "Biden" in the same paragraph. That's like launching a new submarine and then immediately doing an emergency dive with all the hatches open.

Biden has been a senator for 35 years - all of it spent belching more gas than all the cattle in Texas. Biden has been sitting in the U.S. Senate for fourteen years more than John McCain. Look up "old boys network" in the dictionary and there's a photo of Joe Biden at the head of the table. Belching gas.

I'm trying to figure out who Obama could have picked as a running mate that would have clashed more with his mantra of "change" than Joe Biden. And somehow, I'm just not getting there. Robert Byrd, maybe.

 

[The Painter]

Oh crap! Now you've gone and done it. Mentioning that name to a right-winger is like catering a Bar Mitzvah and bringing ham and cheese sandwiches.
I have to admit, however, it was one of the better appointments Eisenhower made, even if he did regret it later.

What a lovely antisemitic thing to say. It's nice that you are showing your true colors. You are a bigot.

Please keep in mind the Membership Agreement and do not use personal attacks to argue your point.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: Lisa Simpson

 

[BPSCG]

What a lovely antisemitic thing to say. It's nice that you are showing your true colors. You are a bigot.

Um, did you mean to put a smiley there? I hold no brief for LS, but I don't see how that's antisemitic.