Merged Was Hani Hanjour really inexperienced?

[A W Smith]

That is a mystery, but, again, irrelevant to the contradiction I pointed out.

A=Hani Hanjour was a highly skilled pilot.

~A=Hani Hanjour was a terrible pilot.

If ~A is true, then, as experts say, he couldn't have flown 77 into the Pentagon.

No mystery at all. he missed and possibly panicked. Making the turn as tight and as quick as possible because the longer he was in the air. the more chance (in his mind ) he could be blocked from his target by intercepts If he saw the c-130

 

[radical_logic]

As shown previously in this thread, his flight school trainers Peggy Chevrette and Marcel Bernard do not share the same doubt as you. In posts such as 35,36.

http://www.capeargus.co.za/index.php?fSectionId=55&fArticleId=3171841

All the article shows is that Peggy thought "Hani was part of it," NOT the he flew flight 77 into the Pentagon the way he allegedly did.

The article goes on to say: "Chevrette, manager of a flight school in Phoenix, Arizona, said she had telephoned the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) three times to express concerns that Hanjour's piloting skills that were so bad she thought he would injure himself or others."

So, it's simply false that Peggy doesn't doubt the piloting skills of Hanjour. She definitely does.

 

[beachnut]

That is a mystery, but, again, irrelevant to the contradiction I pointed out.

A=Hani Hanjour was a highly skilled pilot.

~A=Hani Hanjour was a terrible pilot.

If ~A is true, then, as experts say, he couldn't have flown 77 into the Pentagon.

WRONG

A non pilot could fly a 757 into the Pentagon without training of any kind!

C. !!!!!! LOL

Radical logic? LOL

you are using faulty logic RL

Hani did not do anything special, his turns were typical big plane slow junk. Normal poor flying can crash a plane into a building. Most pilots land on a runway, no wonder Hani hit the Pentagon, he couldn't land anyway, the perfect terrorist.

Why are you a terrorist apologists?

 

[Kent1]

http://www.capeargus.co.za/index.php?fSectionId=55&fArticleId=3171841

All the article shows is that Peggy thought "Hani was part of it," NOT the he flew flight 77 into the Pentagon the way he allegedly did.

The article goes on to say: "Chevrette, manager of a flight school in Phoenix, Arizona, said she had telephoned the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) three times to express concerns that Hanjour's piloting skills that were so bad she thought he would injure himself or others."

So, it's simply false that Peggy doesn't doubt the piloting skills of Hanjour. She definitely does.

You're kidding right?
"I remember crying ... knowing that our company helped to do this."

Witnesses told yesterday how, despite poor piloting skills and bizarre airborne antics, the hijackers had evaded detection by authorities as they learned to fly in the US in the months before the strikes.

 

[radical_logic]

No mystery at all. he missed

Missed intentionally or unintentionally?

and possibly panicked.

Possibly, you are speculating.

Making the turn as tight and as quick as possible because the longer he was in the air. the more chance (in his mind ) he could be blocked from his target by intercepts If he saw the c-130

None of this address the contradiction I pointed out.

A=Hani Hanjour was a highly skilled pilot.

~A=Hani Hanjour was a terrible pilot.

If ~A is true, then, as experts say, he couldn't have flown 77 into the Pentagon.

 

[Pardalis]

Any bets on how long this thread is going to be?

15 pages? 20?

 

[stateofgrace]

That is a mystery, but, again, irrelevant to the contradiction I pointed out.

A=Hani Hanjour was a highly skilled pilot.

~A=Hani Hanjour was a terrible pilot.

If ~A is true, then, as experts say, he couldn't have flown 77 into the Pentagon.

What contradiction?

Some guys hijack a plane and fly it into a building. Is that so hard to understand?

 

[radical_logic]

You're kidding right?
"I remember crying ... knowing that our company helped to do this."

No, I am not kidding.

"Chevrette, manager of a flight school in Phoenix, Arizona, said she had telephoned the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) three times to express concerns that Hanjour's piloting skills that were so bad she thought he would injure himself or others. "

Therefore, it's not the case that she doubted Hanjour's piloting skills. She took action based on the firm belief that they were bad.

 

[Pardalis]

No, I am not kidding.

"Chevrette, manager of a flight school in Phoenix, Arizona, said she had telephoned the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) three times to express concerns that Hanjour's piloting skills that were so bad she thought he would injure himself or others. "

For crying out loud HE DID INJURE HIMSELF AND OTHERS!

 

[beachnut]

Yep.
"Marcel Bernard, the airport manager and chief flight instructor, told FBI agents investigating last week's suicide attacks that one of their suspects in case, Hani Hanjour, had flown with flight instructors on three occasions over the last six weeks…His flying skills were so poor overall that [instructors] declined to rent a plane to him without future training,’ Bernard said of Hanjour."

"His flying skills were so poor overall that [instructors] declined to rent a plane to him without future training," Bernard said of Hanjour.

Darn, all Hani had to do was aim and get near the tiny airport runway so small you would not believe the Pentagon as hundreds of times bigger! Do you ever check your pathetic junk ideas?

Future training. They would rent if he could be trained to land properly on the tiny runway. It was small!

But then the real truth is

"Despite Hanjour's poor reviews, he did have some ability as a pilot, said Bernard of Freeway Airport. "There's no doubt in my mind that once that [hijacked jet] got going, he could have pointed that plane at a building and hit it," he said"
http://www.pentagonresearch.com/Newsday_com.htm

Your own Bernard says he can hit the Pentagon. You are a cherry picking false information hearsay expert on this.

 

[Kent1]

No, I am not kidding.

"Chevrette, manager of a flight school in Phoenix, Arizona, said she had telephoned the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) three times to express concerns that Hanjour's piloting skills that were so bad she thought he would injure himself or others. "

Therefore, it's not the case that she doubted Hanjour's piloting skills. She took action based on the firm belief that they were bad.

Nothing of which refutes what I stated.
I also added.
Witnesses told yesterday how, despite poor piloting skills and bizarre airborne antics, the hijackers had evaded detection by authorities as they learned to fly in the US in the months before the strikes.

 

[radical_logic]

What contradiction?

Some guys hijack a plane and fly it into a building. Is that so hard to understand?

Contradiction: (A ^~A)

A=Hani Hanjour was a highly skilled pilot.

~A=Hani Hanjour was a terrible pilot.

Is that more explicit for you?

 

[radical_logic]

Nothing of which refutes what I stated.

Actually, it does. You previously said: "As shown previously in this thread, his flight school trainers Peggy Chevrette and Marcel Bernard do not share the same doubt as you."

Based on what they and other experts have said, I doubt the claim that Hanjour's piloting skills were very good. Peggy Chevrette and Marcel Bernard DO share the belief that Hanjour's piloting skills were very bad.

Hence, they share the same doubt as me.

I also added.
Witnesses told yesterday how, despite poor piloting skills and bizarre airborne antics, the hijackers had evaded detection by authorities as they learned to fly in the US in the months before the strikes.

What does this have to do with Hanjour's alleged super-ability to fly 77 into the pentagon? Or with the claim that he was NOT a very good pilot at all?

 

[Pardalis]

Is it my accent?

 

[Kent1]

Actually, it does. You previously said: "As shown previously in this thread, his flight school trainers Peggy Chevrette and Marcel Bernard do not share the same doubt as you."

Based on what they and other experts have said, I doubt the claim that Hanjour's piloting skills were very good. Peggy Chevrette and Marcel Bernard DO share the belief that Hanjour's piloting skills were very bad.

Hence, they share the same doubt as me.



What does this have to do with Hanjour's alleged super-ability to fly 77 into the pentagon?

Oh, well then silly me I thought you had strong doubts that Hani couldn't of done it.

 

[radical_logic]

There is reason to doubt that Hanjour flew into the Pentagon, yes.

 

[Kent1]

There is reason to doubt that Hanjour flew into the Pentagon, yes.

So then they don't share the same doubts as you?

 

[stateofgrace]

Contradiction: (A ^~A)

A=Hani Hanjour was a highly skilled pilot.

~A=Hani Hanjour was a terrible pilot.

Is that more explicit for you?

NO, it is not.

Explain why you belief there is a contradiction here and more to the point explain exactly what on earth you are talking about. Explain your so called theory.

Go on, I defy you. Go on just spell it out.

 

[radical_logic]

Kent, you previously said: "As shown previously in this thread, his flight school trainers Peggy Chevrette and Marcel Bernard do not share the same doubt as you."

How have you shown this? Both Peggy Chevrette and Marcel Bernard believe that Hanjour was a terrible pilot, which is what other experts have also claimed.

It is also claimed by many experts that the pilot who flew 77 into the pentagon must have been very good (see post 42).

Don't you see the contradiction?

 

[radical_logic]

NO, it is not.

Explain why you belief there is a contradiction here and more to the point explain exactly what on earth you are talking about. Explain your so called theory.

Go on, I defy you. Go on just spell it out.

If you don't see how A^~A is a contradiction, then I give up.