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Post-Partisan Dirt-Digging in Alaska

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January, 2008:
Exploiting a deep well of voter revulsion over partisan gridlock in Washington, Sen. Barack Obama is promising to do something that has not been done in modern U.S. politics: unite a coalition of Democrats, Republicans and independents behind an agenda of sweeping change.
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September, 2008:
Democrats have airdropped a mini-army of 30 lawyers, investigators and opposition researchers into Anchorage, the state capital Juneau and Mrs. Palin's hometown of Wasilla to dig into her record and background. My sources report the first wave arrived in Anchorage less than 24 hours after John McCain selected her on August 29.
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Well from what we can tell the republicans only did a little diging so obama has decided to help them out.
 
When you're hit with sleazy crap like this from the top of the Republican ticket, the post-partisan agenda can wait:

Seriously, John? You approved this? You're shameless.
 
chipmunk stew said:
When you're hit with sleazy crap like this from the top of the Republican ticket, the post-partisan agenda can wait:
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Ah, it's the "He started it!" argument.

Chip, Chip, don't you remember what that wise man, Mahatma Gandhi once said? "An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind."

Obama was, by the sheer force of his personality and the common sense of his ideas, going to unite us all in one big group hug. Like all his promises, this one, too, has an expiration date.

Spare me the "Barack is holier than thou" bit:

Barack Obama, Sept. 2:
"We don't go after people's families; we don't get them involved in the politics. It's not appropriate, and it's not relevant," he added. "Our people were not involved in any way in this, and they will not be. And if I ever thought that there was somebody in my campaign that was involved in something like that, they'd be fired."
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Howard Gutman, on the Laura Ingraham Show, Sept. 5:
“If my daughter had just come home at 17 years old and said, ‘Mom, Dad, I’m pregnant, we have a family problem,’ I wouldn’t say, ‘You know what we’re going to do? We’re going to take this private family problem … I’m going to go on the international stage and broadcast it to the world’,” he said.

Gutman later added: “If you take a daughter who’s got this emotional strife and subject her to the most intense scrutiny of the world at this time in her life, I think you’ve put your career above your family.”​
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So when is Obama going to fire Gutman?


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BPSCG said:
Ah, it's the "He started it!" argument.

Chip, Chip, don't you remember what that wise man, Mahatma Gandhi once said? "An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind."

Obama was, by the sheer force of his personality and the common sense of his ideas, going to unite us all in one big group hug. Like all his promises, this one, too, has an expiration date.

Spare me the "Barack is holier than thou" bit:

So when is Obama going to fire Gutman?


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After he's done eating his waffles.
 
Let's just say that McCanine had a legion of 10,000 lawyers researching Palin. What has that got to do with Obama sending in 30?

Tick, tock, tick, tock, ...

Hope and Change, and Trash.
 
BPSCG said:
Ah, it's the "He started it!" argument.

Chip, Chip, don't you remember what that wise man, Mahatma Gandhi once said? "An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind."

Obama was, by the sheer force of his personality and the common sense of his ideas, going to unite us all in one big group hug. Like all his promises, this one, too, has an expiration date.

Spare me the "Barack is holier than thou" bit:

So when is Obama going to fire Gutman?​
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chipmunk stew said:
No, it's the "Let's not repeat the mistakes John Kerry made" argument.
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Funny, you ignored the only real question I asked in my post: When is Obama going to fire Gutman? Or did his September 2 statement that "we don't go after people's families" come with a 2-day expiration date?

Or is he waiting to see how much bad press Gutman's attack gets?
 
BPSCG,

Gutman commented on Gov. Palin's response to the situation. He did not "start" anything. He noted what his response would be and contrasted it to Palin's response. The only inference he made is that he felt the way it was poorly handled by Gov. Palin and that it was a politically motivated decision rather then what would be best for the daughter.

His comment says nothing about her family or children, it does not "drag them in to it" and speaks only to the decision process and choices made by Gov. Palin.

Gov. Palin is the one who chose to drag her daughter and family in to this. Commenting on the decision making process of someone who, if elected (Ed help us all), will be faced with making choices based on political motives or what is best for those involved, i.e. the country, is something that should be commented on and noted.



Boo
 
Boo said:
BPSCG,

Gutman commented on Gov. Palin's response to the situation. He did not "start" anything. He noted what his response would be and contrasted it to Palin's response. The only inference he made is that he felt the way it was poorly handled by Gov. Palin and that it was a politically motivated decision rather then what would be best for the daughter.

His comment says nothing about her family or children, it does not "drag them in to it" and speaks only to the decision process and choices made by Gov. Palin.

Gov. Palin is the one who chose to drag her daughter and family in to this. Commenting on the decision making process of someone who, if elected (Ed help us all), will be faced with making choices based on political motives or what is best for those involved, i.e. the country, is something that should be commented on and noted.



Boo
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Well, it appears Obama's campaign disagrees with you.

Obama spokesman Bill Burton, asked to respond to Gutman's remarks, said "Obviously these comments do not reflect our frequently stated views that families of the candidates should be off limits."
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But nothing about firing him.

BTW, did anyone ever suggest that Joe Biden was a bad father to his 3- and 4-year old boys because he didn't resign from the Senate after his wife and daughter were killed by a (drunk?) tractor-trailer driver? Certainly not the New York Times, if this admiring story is any indication.
 
kallsop said:
Let's just say that McCanine had a legion of 10,000 lawyers researching Palin. What has that got to do with Obama sending in 30?

Tick, tock, tick, tock, ...

Hope and Change, and Trash.
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Unfortunately we can't say McSame sent in a legion of anything out to anywhere. This is a guy who panicked after a stellar DNC convention and chose a random vajayjay he had barely met.

As for "Hope and Change and Trash", careful with your words: McCain is talking (faux) "change" now, too ... minus the hope, and with heaps of trash.

Straight talk express? Hell no, it's Trashtalk Express. I like the ring of that. Thanks for helping me coin an apt expression. ;}
 
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ProbeX said:
When is McCain going to fire the lobbyists he's railing against, that work for him?
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Yeah like the lobbyist for the Republic of Georgia....can you say Randy Scheunemann?

Randy Scheunemann, John McCain’s Senior Foreign Policy Advisor, Lobbyist, and a former director of the neo conservative Project for a New American Century. A group which advocates global strategic and ideological predominance of the United States through military force. He has been a Republican political insider In Washington since 1986. He served on the staffs of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, the House Foreign Affairs Committee, and as National Security Adviser to Senate Republican and Majority Leaders Bob Dole and Trent Lott from 1993-99. He was also McCain’s defense and foreign policy advisor during the bid for the White House in 2000. About his relationship with McCain the web site RIGHT WEB reports: He introduced the senator to the foreign ministers of Albania, Croatia, and Macedonia as they tried to win admission to NATO, and a representative of Taiwan as it lobbied for free trade, records show. Mr. Scheunemann also accompanied Mr. McCain to Latvia in 2001 and Georgia in 2006.

He has led 3 lobbying firms, SCHEUNEMANN & ASSOCIATES, ORION STRATEGIES and the MERCURY GROUP. He has lobbied for among others: Arms manufacturers and gun associations, Oil Firms, And represented foreign governments Including Georgia. The Wall Street Journal reported that “Mr. Scheunemann's firm (Orion Strategies) has earned more than $2 million since 2004 lobbying U.S. officials, including Sen. McCain and his staff, on behalf of various clients including Georgia, records show. His lobbying for Saakashvili has led to the inference by Journalist Robert Scheer on TruthDig, Conservative Columnist Pat Buchanan on Creators Syndicate, and indirectly Vladimir Putin of Russia, to suggest that he had something to do with Georgia’s attack on the breakaway region of South Ossetia in early August. Randy Scheunemann has been described as John McCain’s Henry Kissinger or Zbignew Brzeniski.
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http://therealnews.com/t/index.php?...=74&jumival=2249&updaterx=2008-09-08+16:32:24

I guess some lobbyists are given a pass by McCain and this is one of them.
 
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Vajayjay? I thought Democrats were supposed to be the champions of womens' rights, but the sexism being displayed by many here certainly calls that championship into question.
 
BPSCG said:
Funny, you ignored the only real question I asked in my post:
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Oh, that wasn't a rhetorical question? I'll check with Barack and get back to you...

:rolleyes:

It isn’t clear what role Gutman still has in the campaign.
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Is he on the payroll? If not, he can't be fired. Why don't you find out the facts first before you regurgitate right-wing blog topics on a skeptics forum.
 
mortimer said:
Vajayjay? I thought Democrats were supposed to be the champions of womens' rights, but the sexism being displayed by many here certainly calls that championship into question.
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So you share McCain's view that women are airheads, too... :nope:
 
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