A Soldier On Obama

[SezMe]

Shame on you sir, for shame.

Denigrating the men and women in uniform currently fighting in Iraq, just to further your selfish political agena.

Lefty didn't denigrate anyone, he stated a fact acknowledged by the armed services. In order to meet recruiting quotas, standards have been reduced and exemptions to those lowered standards have been issued at a record pace.

 

[SezMe]

Brainster, I'm surprised at your assessment of the OP video. It is filled with strawmen and anecdotes and an appeal to emotion at the end that is totally irrelevant to the point being made. If a truther made a parallel video about 911 you'd be ripping him a new one - and rightly so. Why the lowered standards here?

By the way, Brainster, instead of an anecdote, why not look at some relevant data that just came out a few days ago. Iraq military personnel are donating to Obama over McCain at a ratio of 6:1.

 

[SezMe]

The guy who blew himself up with his own grenade?

That's a dispicable lie. He picked up a live grenade not knowing it was live. It was not his own. I checked a couple of sites on this including your sweetheart, Ann Coulter's site. She says so so it must be true, right?

 

[fishbob]

No, the problem is that people on the left decided that Iraq was a certain failure and a huge mistake before we even went in, and ranted and chanted this mantra for so long that it became "fact" in their minds, despite reality. Now you guys exist in a world where "of course it was a huge mistake! Duh?" is just common sense to you, and you don't even consider that anyone could or should feel otherwise without being morons.

The term ivory towers comes to mind again and again with regards to these forums, and lefties in general. You talked down the invasion of IRAQ from day one and until it became undeniable fact in your minds and since then all your arguments are built on that foundation. You all are surrounded by simliar minded sycophants who agree and you are sheltered from reality. I often come to this group to read the latest news and opinions, and leave wondering just what the hell planet some of you live on, where your sides "opinions" are the "reality" of the day. All of them. And anyone who disagrees is a moron to be ridiculed.

Parable time:

Don't hit yourself on the thumb with that hammer. No, don't do it. Stop right now, it will hurt. That is a really bad idea. Undeniably and factually, that will really really hurt.

Ooh, that looks like it really hurt. Trying to talk you down from playing with the hammer didn't work.
What do you mean, you like having a big flat bloody thumb?

 

[leftysergeant]

Now you guys exist in a world where "of course it was a huge mistake! Duh?" is just common sense to you, and you don't even consider that anyone could or should feel otherwise without being morons.

The term ivory towers comes to mind again and again with regards to these forums, and lefties in general.

Ivory tower my wrinkly old kundingi. How about reading Clausewitz before you start assessing the wisdom of detaching forces from your primary target to attack a secondary target that is utterly inactive? how about starting a "people's war" just because you wanted to invade a country?

Where the hell do Republicans get the idea that they are the party of national defense? They have so few people with any military experience, and those mostly airplane drivers of dubious skill, compared to the Democrats that they should be asking the Dems for advice.

Even our talk radio hosts have more military credentials on the average. There are only two nationally-syndicated talk show hosts that I know of who have served in the military and did not ever get convicted of a felony. (I do not give Olly the usual pass here. We know he did it, but he copped a plea and got immunity.)

Do you think Bush has a clue about winning a war? My toes laugh at you. Rummy? Feather merchant from the get-go. Whales are still dying because he and Cheney sold Jerry ford the idea that the Russians had a super-seekert submarine that could not be detected by ordinary sonar and they needed to develop something to ring the earth's magnetic bell to find them.

Get real. There was never a good reason to invade Iraq. It made as much sense as Hitler's giving up Operation Seeloewe to invade Russia.

Just my professional opinion as a retired Army NCO, mind you.

 

[PixyMisa]

Parable time:

Don't hit yourself on the thumb with that hammer. No, don't do it. Stop right now, it will hurt. That is a really bad idea. Undeniably and factually, that will really really hurt.

Ooh, that looks like it really hurt. Trying to talk you down from playing with the hammer didn't work.
What do you mean, you like having a big flat bloody thumb?

Fail.

 

[Upchurch]

Fail.

Who, fishbob or whiplash?

What Whiplash fails to realize is that those of us who were calling saying that going into Iraq was a bad idea weren't saying it because we didn't think we could do it, but rather because it was entirely inconsistent with the needs and goals of our country in relation to 9/11 and radical Islamic fundamentalism. It was a certain failure because it failed to address the problem, both directly and indirectly.

 

[mrbaracuda]

radical Islamic fundamentalism

That sounds funny.

 

[Upchurch]

That sounds funny.

Sorry, the proper term should be "extremist", not "fundamentalist"

 

[mrbaracuda]

No, no, it's okay since it's not getting any better.

 

[Beerina]

So freaking what? How are the Iraqi people the least bit more free now with their infrastructure blown to bits and foreign human trafficers crowding them out of their jobs and trying to suck out their natural resources at a bargain price?

If I were Iraqi I would loathe anyone in the West who was trying to philosophically disable themselves from freeing me.


Choosing not to because it's costly in men and money I can handle.

Choosing not to because you've deigned to decide I'm better off under Saddam than a struggle at freedom, go to Hell, quite frankly, you lucky person in the West.

 

[Upchurch]

No, no, it's okay since it's not getting any better.

Maybe knowing the definition of a word doesn't necessarily mean understanding it's meaning.

 

[daredelvis]

By the way, Brainster, instead of an anecdote, why not look at some relevant data that just came out a few days ago. Iraq military personnel are donating to Obama over McCain at a ratio of 6:1.

Beat me to it. How does Brainster respond to this reality based fact?

That's a dispicable lie. He picked up a live grenade not knowing it was live. It was not his own. I checked a couple of sites on this including your sweetheart, Ann Coulter's site. She says so so it must be true, right?

Beat me to it again. How far does someones head need to be under the right wing media's sand to not know this?

Daredelvis

 

[Cicero]

I like the way his eyes are strolling as if he's reading a teleprompter or
something. "Good Soldier", indeed.

Almost reminiscent of the old time German soldier who followed orders regardless of the level of depravity that motivated his superiors.

 

[Cicero]

That's a dispicable lie. He picked up a live grenade not knowing it was live. It was not his own. I checked a couple of sites on this including your sweetheart, Ann Coulter's site. She says so so it must be true, right?

It was an M26 fragmentation grenade that another Marine dropped after existing their Huey. The pin was gone and so was the spoon indicating a live grenade. It has a 4/5 second fuse. Cleland figured it was his so went to retrieve it. A tragic happenstance, but it was not an enemy grenade. Had the Marine who dropped it bent the pin to keep it from accidentally coming dislodged......

 

[mrbaracuda]

Maybe knowing the definition of a word doesn't necessarily mean understanding it's meaning.

Oh I can guess what 'radical Islamic extremism' means, heh.

 

[leftysergeant]

Choosing not to because you've deigned to decide I'm better off under Saddam than a struggle at freedom, go to Hell, quite frankly, you lucky person in the West.

They were better off under Saddam, when rival religious fac tions were not blowing each other to hell and a foreign army was not there demanding that they turn over the operation of their only significant source of foreign revenue to our parasitic oil barons.

The only thing we should have done was to encourage an internal revolt. We have made it worse, not better for Iraq.

Learn some basic military science. There was never a way that military action was going to make it better.

That Koolaid Rummy sold you was spiked with a halucinogen.

 

[Cicero]

They were better off under Saddam, when rival religious fac tions were not blowing each other to hell and a foreign army was not there demanding that they turn over the operation of their only significant source of foreign revenue to our parasitic oil barons.

The only thing we should have done was to encourage an internal revolt. We have made it worse, not better for Iraq.

Learn some basic military science. There was never a way that military action was going to make it better.

That Koolaid Rummy sold you was spiked with a halucinogen.

Right. Gulf War I in 1991 was not enough action to foster an internal revolt, and the subsequent 12 years in between didn't do it either. But three weeks after the attack on Iraq in 2003, Saddam is finally history. The military was never supposed to make life better for Iraqis, it was supposed to depose Saddam. The military did not make life better for the Japanese or the Germans or the Italians in WWII. But it did accomplish the goal of unconditional surrender. A concept Bush 41 never grasped or his son would not be cleaning up his mess a dozen years later.

 

[Toke]

Last I heard 25% of the Iraki population was either killed or refugees.
Sure they are real grateful for the freedom and democracy brought to them.

A volunteer army risk getting the rejects from MC´donals. Low pay and bad work conditions worsens that problem.
You end up with "specialists" who can do exatly what they were trained for, but not think their way out of other problems.

 

[BeAChooser]

Water treatment, electrical generation, sewers, hospitals, roads, bridges. you know, the stuff that makes the difference between a functioning modern nation and a Third world disaster zone.

All that stuff the the right wing says we are building for the iraqis? Guess who broke it in the first place.

Gee, lefty, I gather you were against the 1991 war with Iraq since that's when most of that stuff was actually *broken*. Were you one of those who said we should let Saddam just go ahead and have Kuwait ... and even Saudi Arabia (since his forces attacked that country, too)?

Just trying to understand your views.