evidence against flight 93 shoot down

[TC329]

Dom, it is your claim that not enough dirt was displaced, so it is up to you to prove it. To do so, you will need to calculate the amount of dirt that should have been displaced and compare it to the amount of dirt that actually was displaced. If not, retract your claim.

so you're saying you incapable of independent thought and a simple yes or no about your beliefs is too complicated for you to answer?

 

[twinstead]

Another big, fat, stinking argument from personal incredulity. Great TC. There goes a half hour I will never get back.

 

[Disbelief]

so you're saying you incapable of independent thought and a simple yes or no about your beliefs is too complicated for you to answer?

No, I am telling you that this is not about what I think, but about you
backing up a claim. Since you can't back up your claim, you try to divert attention away from that claim. So:

Dom, it is your claim that not enough dirt was displaced, so it is up to you to prove it. To do so, you will need to calculate the amount of dirt that should have been displaced and compare it to the amount of dirt that actually was displaced. If not, retract your claim.

ETA: And Dom, the highlighted word is part of your problem. This is dealing with a mathematical solution and has nothing to do with my beliefs.

 

[TC329]

its ok i know why you don't want to answer.

 

[Grizzly Bear]

its ok i know why you don't want to answer.

In that case you have no problem living up to your burden of proof correct? Why not make it clear rather than doing the tap dance and keep lurkers guessing?

 

[twinstead]

At least a nice tap dance keeps me entertained if I have to sit through dreary arguments from personal incredulity.

 

[TC329]

In that case you have no problem living up to your burden of proof correct? Why not make it clear rather than doing the tap dance and keep lurkers guessing?

here this will clear it up.....

take a bucket and fill it to the very top with sand.
now slam a cinder block into it.

what happens to the sand?

 

[funk de fino]

the physical evidence is not fake. how can it be?

There is no physical evidence the plane was shot down or broke up in mid air. There is however evidence to the contrary that does not rely on inaccurate witness testimony.

the fdr is fake.
so is the cvr transcript.

Prove the FDR is fake.

Prove the CVR recording is fake.

If you claim the above then you must think the phonecalls are fake also? They are contradictory to a shoot down.

 

[funk de fino]

here this will clear it up.....

take a bucket and fill it to the very top with sand.
now slam a cinder block into it.

what happens to the sand?

That depends on how big the bucket is, how much sand there is, how big the cinder block is, how much the cinder bloxck weighs, what angle the cinder block hits the sand and how fast the cinder block is slammed into it. That is what the good folks are asking you to show us. That you understand how to calculate how much should be displaced.

Once you knew how much had been displaced you could then work out its weight. (not that the weight of the displaced sand is relevant)

You can see this cant you?

 

[Disbelief]

its ok i know why you don't want to answer.

Actually, you should know why I did not answer, because I clearly spelled it out for you. I am quite sure that I am more knowledgeable about you on how to determine the amount of dirt that should have been displaced. However, the burden of proof is on you to back up your claim and not try to make this my issue.

Dom, it is your claim that not enough dirt was displaced, so it is up to you to prove it. To do so, you will need to calculate the amount of dirt that should have been displaced and compare it to the amount of dirt that actually was displaced. If not, retract your claim.

Any ideas yet, or will you just retract? I would recommend not going to PfT, as they have repeatedly shown their poor math skills.

 

[CurtC]

I'll correct this for you Dom...

the plane approached the crash site from the northeastwest flying southwesteast.
the trees destroyed in the woods are to the southwesteast.
the debris shattered all over the ground is to the southwesteast.
the left engine was recovered 600 yards ahead of the crash site to the southwesteast.

Apparently you have trouble with that east-west thing. That happens with my wife too. Are you holding the map upside-down or something?

 

[WildCat]

If the plane was actually shot down it would have hit the ground at much lower speed, and would not have been shattered into a million pieces like it was.

Killtown might actually have his intact tail section if it had been shot down!

 

[Pardalis]

the problem is you believe that i believe they were both not real.

So the crater is real?

 

[leftysergeant]

wouldn't you agree that at least 50 tons of dirt would have been displaced to accomodate 100 tons of material being forcefully slammed into it?

it's a simple yes or no disbelief.

No.

 

[leftysergeant]

here this will clear it up.....

take a bucket and fill it to the very top with sand.
now slam a cinder block into it.

what happens to the sand?

Irrelevant. A cinder block is not compresible. An aircraft is.

 

[TJM]

Can you see why I'm having difficulty believing you? First you say:

the left engine was recovered in a pond 500-600 yards ahead of the crash site. it was fully intact. obviously seperated from the plane while the plane was airborne.

my source is for the above information is wally miller.

Then you say:

wally didn't say it was fully intact.

wally said it was the biggest piece of debris that was found and that it was in the pond 500-600 yards ahead.

the reason this is the biggest piece of debris that was recovered is that it was seperated from the plane while it was in the air and it landed in the pond ahead of the plane.

now we've seen the engine that was in the crater and the dinner table size pieces of the fuselage and this is bigger than those. those pieces [minus the engine] and more were in the hundreds of photos i looked through so wally is well aware of them when he calls the left engine the biggest piece of debris recovered.

do you deny the biggest piece of debris recovered was the engine that was recovered 500-600 yards ahead of the crash site in a pond?

The only thing I gather from this is you, at best, contradict yourself.

 

[beachnut]

wouldn't you agree that at least 50 tons of dirt would have been displaced to accomodate 100 tons of material being forcefully slammed into it?

it's a simple yes or no disbelief.

What was your point?

Body parts were found 50 feet underground. What is your point? They had to go 70 plus feet down to get out all the plane and people.

It is a fact 93 hit in one major piece, the FDR confirms all systems looked nominal seconds before impact.

I watched a video by you, it proves 93 was not shot down; how did you fail to interpret your own video any other way? Or are you agreeing 93 was not shot down?

You have twisted Wally Miller testimony, I can't wait until he finds out your are the classic 9/11 truther who makes up lies!

"A section of engine…" No aircraft debris behind the impact point.

You just twist stuff and prove you are a manufacturer of fantasy and lies. Twisting stuff to make up lies.

Proven wrong my Miller, in your own video, and you lied to him as you twisted what he said to match your fantasy.

"A section of engine…"

And you twist it to make up your lie. From your own video, "a sectoin of engine". lol

wally didn't say it was fully intact.

wally said it was the biggest piece of debris that was found and that it was in the pond 500-600 yards ahead.

the reason this is the biggest piece of debris that was recovered is that it was seperated from the plane while it was in the air and it landed in the pond ahead of the plane.

I am a real aircraft accident investigator and you have twisted what Miller said into your fell off in the air! Sorry, the engine crashed into ground from over the wing, the plane was upside down, and "a section of engine" was ejected and landed in less than 2 seconds at the pond, 1200 feet away. You twisted the statement to make up a lie.

You make up junk due to ignorance and bad interpretation of your own interview.

 

[TC329]

I'll correct this for you Dom...



Apparently you have trouble with that east-west thing. That happens with my wife too. Are you holding the map upside-down or something?

so you're calling wally miller a liar when he says the plane approached from the northeast and the blast trajectory all spreads out in a general southwestern direction?

or can't you tell east from west when you look at a map?

 

[TC329]

So the crater is real?

no there was no crater anywhere in shanksville. it was all tvfakery. in fact wally miller and susan mcelwain aren't even real people. they're cgi models i created when i got bored. everything is fake. im not even real.

 

[beachnut]

so you're calling wally miller a liar when he says the plane approached from the northeast and the blast trajectory all spreads out in a general southwestern direction?

or can't you tell east from west when you look at a map?

You are very bad at this, our own video proves you wrong.

NAV, NAV, give me the true track! I have winds at 1000 feet of 298 degree true at 24 knots! What is the true track at impact! NAV?

No, he said along 30, and finally, if you listed to his own words, he went as far as saying north when he corrected your EAST BS, and his northwest statement (if only you would listen to what Miller says, not what you want to hear! You quote mining expert). Route 30 comes from the northwest. So Miller nails it best when he his final word was north after coming along 30. OMG, the true heading is exactly 179, almost exactly south, and makes his final words north, BACKED UP by the FDR. Confirmation! This matches the FDR EXACTLY. TC, you are busted again. This is cool watching you mess up ever single thing Miller said.

No body parts but in the general area of impact.

Miller says right wing first, yes, the plane was at 142 degree, he said 90, that is a good statement considering he is presenting hearsay stuff.

Sorry, the blast stuff radiates from a pure true 179 heading, or 187 magnetic heading. That my friend is SOUTH.

TC, you are the one who can mess up the best testimony to make up lies. How are you consistently wrong. A section of engine becomes a large engine piece instead of the largest piece found away from the impact crater. Wowzer.

So with the winds at 298 true at 24 knots, 93 was actually being pushed to the southeast by the wind. So all the tracks are moved to the left, making the 93 more out of the northwest, slightly. Planes fly in the air, their headings are not the direction of travel, but the direction the nose is pointing. Most of JREF is right, and TC, you are wrong, the impact debris is all centered on true south to slight left of true south due to winds. .

Miller is not a liar, you just messed up his statements, and put what you want. He is going to be mad! You lied to Miller in part by making up lies about what he said when you post. You are the blogger he hates, but you fooled him.