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so who wants to talk bout wally miller anyways?

reading your posts TC I have a feeling that your perception of reality is seriously askew.

watch how i show everyone you're throwing stones from inside the worlds biggest glass house.......

BTW - What does Wally think caused the wtc towers to collapse?

irrelevant.


asking the coroner whose site it was, the locations of human remains and crash debris and their distribtuion and so forth is 100% relative to the shanksville site.

You must have asked him that, since you also appear to have discussed with him every other damn thing that had nothing to do with collecting and identifying the body parts at shanksville.

are you standing behind your claim that i dont ask wally anything about the collection and identification of the body parts?
 
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stupid is believing fire knocked a 47 story steel skyscraper to the ground into its own footprints at a freefall speed. thats whats stupid.
Sure is, because no one claims any such thing happened.

oh you don't know nist released their report on wtc7 and determined fire was the sole cause of the collapse?
 
no freefall, no footprint...............no chance whatsoever that you will ever be more than a footnote.
 
It does not matter what the FBI told him. The FDR data trumps all. So do the eye witness records. When did the FBI inform him of the trajectory?

fdr data is fraudulent.

the eyewitnesses contradict it.

when people say "over the scrapyard" they're talking that general vicinity since there is nothing else near the crash site. the plane did not come inverted over the scrapyard in a southeast heading impacting nose first into the ground as the official story and phony fdr claim.

didn't happen that way.

for starters had it i don't think bob blair and doug miller would have ever seen the plane let alone seeing it flying on its side with the wings vertical to the ground and see more of the front of the plane than the back as they both told me.

and we're not even going to get in the other plane they both saw yet either. i'm saving that. you can call them if you're anxious. :D



At some point they may have been at a 90 deg angle but not when it hit the ground

right wing tip first into the ground shattering the front 1/3 of the plane and blowing it into the trees.

how does your inverted over the scrapyard nose first impact account for the blast trajectory and debris?



Does he say the plane was on fire and had pieces falling off it because it had been shot down by a fighter jet? It would be very noticeable.

nope. if i remember correctly your token board hero ryan mackey determined lee purbaugh could not have seen the plane {provided the fdr data is accurate and authentic}. i imagine in the1-3 seconds you see something it is possible not to notice such.

jim stop was in indian lake and saw the plane fly overhead towards the crash site losing debris. since the plane was at a higher altitude and the debris actually ended up landing in the lake where he was i guess he would be a better witness for that aspect.

lee purbaugh is a witness you would use to determine direction plane came from, impact angle, & the impact itself. especially since the plane had to be less than 100' agl at that point and he didn't see it approaching.


I can tell you all about the missiles that you think may have been used to shoot it down.

you have no idea about any method/technique/weapon i believe were used in the shoot down and it's not up to me to speculate publicly on such. so i see your bait and i'll keep on swimming. save that stuff for the newbs.


Very small pieces drifting on the wind

yeah the problem is there are very small pieces everywhere in the direction of the blast trajectory. so you have no theory or reason for why piece a is picked up and carried away 8 miles to new baltimore and piece b isn't despite them both being the same size and density and both hitting the ground heading in the same direction and same speed at the same time.

plus no one saw any debris blown in a southeast direction across the field heading towards indian lake and new baltimore.

and if the plane wasn't compromised in the air then your theory means you believe a massive jet fuel fireball [the type that weakened steel in the wtc according to you] safely lifted paper envelopes into the air and allowed them to descend to the earth some eight miles away despite incinerating the majority of the airplane and its passengers and crew.

maybe we should construct 757's out of envelopes and red bandanas in the future?



How often do you hear something yet not really know where the sound is coming from? nothing to do with Wally Miller

using other eyewitnesses to corroborate wally millers account has everything to do with wally miller.

and when 6 or 7 people all corroborate each other then they don't need degrees in psychoacoustical analysis to determine if a low flying commercial airliner passed them from the northeast to the southwest.

see the sound can never pass over indian lake marina or golf course if the official story is true.

the lights flicker in the marina.

john fleegle jokes to jim brandt, carol delasko, and tom spinelli "maybe they're coming for us"......

a low flying plane is overheard coming from the northeast heading southwest.

then there is a thud that shakes the earth and an explosion.

uh oh official story. :eek:

I never said i would not watch it but if the rest is as supportive of the official story as the first 7 minutes then I may watch the rest.

you don't want to. its alright. actually its most likely genetics that prevents you from being interested in actual research and knowledge which explains your gravitating to this location.

Are you putting words and accusations into Wallys mouth? Someone may contact him and ask him what hethinks of your projections and how you have used his claims.

oh please call wally miller and tell him how i am supporting his explanation of the crash which is supported by the physical evidence to prove the fdr data and the official flight path told by the us gov is a fabrication.

do you need his number? (814) 445-6900
http://www.superpages.com/bp/Somers...&C=miller+funeral+home&L=Shanksville+PA&lbp=1

make sure you record it so we can all verify your honesty too, ok?

also tell him i said he doesn't mock the shoot down theory because he doesn't really know what brought the plane down which makes him open to it and that he ridicules the no plane/bodies theory which i too do not support.

i'll be waiting for you to do nothing. continue to prove me right duh-bunkers. :D
 
fdr data is fraudulent.

the eyewitnesses contradict it.
You lack evidence.

Your inability to interpret witness statements correctly is a fact. You have nothing.

It is a lie that the FDR is a fraud; you made that up without proof; no evidence.

Witnesses support the FDR, you are not trained in aircraft accident investigation and it shows.

The FDR proves you are wrong, so you ignore it by making up a lie.
 
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oh you don't know nist released their report on wtc7 and determined fire was the sole cause of the collapse?
No, I'm calling you out on your lie that it fell in "its own footprint" at "freefall speed".

And you seem to have missed a few questions, and of course we all know why you won't answer these questions:
Oh, good, I can't wait to hear what its role in this was!
So what role does the drone play in this TC329?

But it is your belief that Bush got "skeered and crash into an empty field instead of a small town or commercial area along the way in order to murder and cause terror because [he] need to abandon the plan because [he's] skeered", correct?
Is this true?

3 more...
How would a passenger uprising make Bush need to have the plane shot down?

If your theory is the planes were remote-controlled why would a passenger uprising matter?

If it was actually piloted by suicide terrorists loyal to Bush then why the need to shoot it down?

And finally...
So many gaping holes in this theory of yours TC329... do you plan on filling them in any time soon?
It appears the answer is "no".
 
You lack evidence.

Your inability to interpret witness statements correctly is a fact. You have nothing.

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!

please name all the eyewitnesses you have spoken with and whose account you have clarified.


It is a lie that the FDR is a fraud; you made that up without proof; no evidence.
i make that statement based on eyewitness accounts and physical damage which supports eyewitness statements.



Witnesses support the FDR, you are not trained in aircraft accident investigation and it shows.
The FDR proves you are wrong, so you ignore it by making up a lie.
wrong.

please name this witnesses that you claim support the fdr. please please please.


you're right, i'm not a professional aircraft accident investigator. i guess thats why i don't claim a plane didn't crash there.

but i am pretty damn good at calling people, emailing them, meeting them, filming them, listening to them, and clarifying their accounts. in fact i am way way better at it than you. ouch.

note to self : remember to log in before checkin my threads to prevent me from seeing such blatant lies being spewed by a bush administration lemming that i have on ignore already......

Let's keep the personal attacks out of this, please.
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but i am pretty damn good at calling people, emailing them, meeting them, filming them, listening to them, and clarifying their accounts. in fact i am way way better at it than you. ouch.
Yes, we all know what that means.
 
No, I'm calling you out on your lie that it fell in "its own footprint" at "freefall speed".

take it to another thread if you disagree.

So what role does the drone play in this TC329?

what do you think it would be doing there?


Is this true?
But it is your belief that Bush got "skeered and crash into an empty field instead of a small town or commercial area along the way in order to murder and cause terror because [he] need to abandon the plan because [he's] skeered", correct?

lmao.

no.

How would a passenger uprising make Bush need to have the plane shot down?

If your theory is the planes were remote-controlled why would a passenger uprising matter?

If it was actually piloted by suicide terrorists loyal to Bush then why the need to shoot it down?

1) operation would have been compromised and exposed before wtc7 could be blown up had the passengers regained control of the plane.

2) i have never stated the planes were remote controlled.

3) see #1


And finally...

It appears the answer is "no".

the answer actually is that you are an agitator and an instigator and i am placing you on my ignore list next.
 
what do you think it would be doing there?
Your claim, back it up.

lmao.

no.

1) operation would have been compromised and exposed before wtc7 could be blown up had the passengers regained control of the plane.
So you no longer think it was heading for the Capital in order to kill Congress so Bush could impose martial law? And you think WTC7 was blown up anyway!

2) i have never stated the planes were remote controlled.

3) see #1
So if the hijackers were Bush loyalists on a suicide mission why not just have them crash the plane? Why shoot it down, and then deny it? Why a coverup involving a faked FDR?

You aren't making any sense TC329.

the answer actually is that you are an agitator and an instigator asking questions whose anwers make me look foolish and i am placing you on my ignore list next.
Fixed that for ya TC329. I'm sure your life will be so much easier with me on your ignore list, it will be even better when you shield yourself from the 99.995% of the population that think you guys are absolute loons.
 
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... thats why i don't claim a plane didn't crash there.

lemming that i have on ignore already......
Name calling is your best effort;
You failed to investigate 9/11 correctly, and your lack of accomplishment to present real conclusions is proven by your lack of news coverage. You failed to get the Pulitzer Prize this year, again; failure. You spew pure fantasy based on your flawed investigation. Example, you say the FDR is fake and missed the witnesses who support the FDR.

You have a way of messing up everything about 9/11; proof is constantly posted by you. You make up lies to support your idea (i.e. FDR is fake).

It is uncanny how your own work debunks all your ideas. How do you do it? Self debunking! Cool
 
you're right, i'm not a professional aircraft accident investigator. i guess thats why i don't claim a plane didn't crash there.
This outta be a stundie finalist for Sept.
:D
 
Hmmmmm...
TC329 on youtube comment said:
dickhead there was a plane and body parts. the united states government shot down the plane because the passengers were revolting and about to take control of it and jeopardize the whole 9/11 operation so the bush regime had to abort this attack intended to kill congress so they could implement martial law.
Was Congress holed up in WTC7 TC329, or do you just change the target of Flight 93 as it suits you at the moment?
 
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flight 93 was never headed to wtc7.

i said the whole operation would be exposed long before wtc7 could even be blown up. that in no way implies i believe for a second this plane was heading towards nyc to crash into wtc7.

these are the antics of low level trolls inventing garbage claims and attributing them to real researchers in hopes to discredit their findings.

everything wildcat says and attributes to me is a lie.
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Editing out off topic, and moving responses to AAH. And - the name is beachnut, not beachy. Be more civil please.
 
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please name this witnesses that you claim support the fdr. please please please.

:D


YOu are obviously unfamiliar with the way things work:

YOU made the claim that the FDR is fraudulent, THEREFORE its YOUR job to prove that it is fraudulent


so DOM, prove that the FDR is fraudulent

IF YOU can't, then admit that yoU are again LYING!
 
flight 93 was never headed to wtc7.

i said the whole operation would be exposed long before wtc7 could even be blown up. that in no way implies i believe for a second this plane was heading towards nyc to crash into wtc7.

these are the antics of low level trolls inventing garbage claims and attributing them to real researchers in hopes to discredit their findings.

everything wildcat says and attributes to me is a lie.
you are on ignore wildcat with beachy & bobert.
Not my fault if you refuse to say what you think hapopened. I suppose we'll have to buy the dvd to find out, is that it? :rolleyes:

your posts have been reported as well.
Good luck with that!
 
YOu are obviously unfamiliar with the way things work:

YOU made the claim that the FDR is fraudulent, THEREFORE its YOUR job to prove that it is fraudulent


so DOM, prove that the FDR is fraudulent

IF YOU can't, then admit that yoU are again LYING!

i already stated so......

wally miller's disclosure of the crash dynamics determined to be true by the fbi based on the physical damage and eyewitness accounts.

i also named a list of witnesses who heard flight 93 approach the crash site from east/northeast of it and they include :

jim brandt
john fleegle
carol delasko
tom spinelli
chris smith
val mcclatchey
barry lichty

this plane was witnessed approaching the site by :

bob blair
doug miller

from that direction coincidentally enough. they both say it is approaching with its wings vertical to the ground on its side [corroborating wally miller further as if the first group of witnesses didn't]

and then that leaves the only man who was there to see it hit the ground :

lee purbaugh

who states up and down that the plane he watched crash there was not flying upside down as it went down. it was not inverted. therefor the physical attributes of the crater prove that all these people are telling the truth.

the fact that the grass east of the crash site isn't even slightly burnt proves the plane wasn't flying south/southeast inverted over the scrap yard.


now a lot of members of this forum have made the claim that eyewitnesses corroborate the fdr data. yet none of them will name a single witness. none of them will provide any documentation to support their claims.

can't you figure out why yet?
 
i already stated so......

No you didn't.

Eyewitnesses does not make the FDR fraudulent.

the rest of your post is nothing but HAND waving and avoiding the issue:


Provide proof that hte FDR is fraudulent (that means YOU get a REAL fdr EXPERT to analyze the FDR) come back when you have that done.
 
No you didn't.

Eyewitnesses does not make the FDR fraudulent.

the rest of your post is nothing but HAND waving and avoiding the issue:


Provide proof that hte FDR is fraudulent (that means YOU get a REAL fdr EXPERT to analyze the FDR) come back when you have that done.

i don't need to.

the good people of shanksville and the surrounding area already prove so by being witnesses to 9/11.

i know, "ouch".........
 

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