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AA77 FDR Data, Explained

TF, have you posted one single paper that shows the time it really takes from the instant the data is transmitted from the sensor until it is recorded in the CPM? Your 500ms claim has already been proven false.

No it has not. 500 ms is not the data rate anyway...it's much faster.

Can you tell me what that might be? It has been posted a few times now.

Anti's BS claim about T4-T5 has been exposed as false. That was addressed
about 10 pages ago, and he has not answered.


T4-T5 is post CPM and doesn't even factor into the write process. That section
of the diagram refers to a ground station transmitter which sends FDR data.
I guess Anti, or anyone else here wouldn't know that because nobody has
the ARINC documentation.

Here is the diagram he's working with (which again was provided by PFT/Undertow):

anti_timing.jpg


All of the tags in red are Anti's comments and are not accurate.

Once again the total propagation delay from sensor data to CPM is
a MAXIMUM of 500 mseconds. That is worst case. This is NOT the
data rate.

You should probably stay out of technical discussions you don't
understand.
 
The raw data is not readable, you have to decode it. BTW, you picked the wrong words per second it is not 64; have you corrected that yet? (to do)

Can you read English? Are you on medication? I already posted a portion
of the ARINC document which states the data rate at 64 words per second!

Here it is again!

911_FDR_data_rate.jpg


Look at this JREF, Beachnut cannot even come to terms with black and white
FACTS! :D
 
...
, data transfer rate of 64 words per second,
Did you correct this error? Do you need some help?

LOL, he still has it wrong. Good work p4t expert guy! Did your salesman help you make this error?

12 bit words, that is an answer, but gee, he has the data rate wrong. Is this why you make failed conclusions of 77 being too high? Your research is wrong?

Off by a factor of four. Is this like putting DME every second in your p4t decode in error?
 
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Did you correct this error? Do you need some help?

LOL, he still has it wrong. Good work p4t expert guy! Did your salesman help you make this error?

Look above you ... it's right in the ARINC document. Should I call you tonight
and read this SLOWLY? :D

Poor Beachnut, what a 'pro' ... trying to lie with facts right in front of him.

Mods, I have reported his last post. He's trying to spin the data!
 
If that was a violation we'd have no truthers here at all.
So true.

Gee, I told him a long time ago, he has an error; I even told him it was a factor of four. I am trying to save someone from looking like a fool.

I failed.
 
No it has not. 500 ms is not the data rate anyway...it's much faster.

Can you tell me what that might be? It has been posted a few times now.

Anti's BS claim about T4-T5 has been exposed as false. That was addressed
about 10 pages ago, and he has not answered.


T4-T5 is post CPM and doesn't even factor into the write process. That section
of the diagram refers to a ground station transmitter which sends FDR data.
I guess Anti, or anyone else here wouldn't know that because nobody has
the ARINC documentation.

Here is the diagram he's working with (which again was provided by PFT/Undertow):

[qimg]http://procision-auto.com/911/anti_timing.jpg[/qimg]

All of the tags in red are Anti's comments and are not accurate.

Once again the total propagation delay from sensor data to CPM is
a MAXIMUM of 500 mseconds. That is worst case. This is NOT the
data rate.

You should probably stay out of technical discussions you don't
understand.
So, I guess that's a no. You're whole 500ms max has nothing to do with transfer rate. I proved that long ago. It has to do with max time between transmissions from the sensor per the ARINC spec. Anti's tags are very accurate. The only thing missing is the time it takes the DFDAU to convert the analog data to the digital word to be transmitted to the FDR.
 
Look above you ... it's right in the ARINC document. Should I call you tonight
and read this SLOWLY? :D

Poor Beachnut, what a 'pro' ... trying to lie with facts right in front of him.

Mods, I have reported his last post. He's trying to spin the data!
Better report me, I posted the truth. Capt Bob will be crushed; his keyboard commando corrected again.

You think you have the correct data rate for 77's FDR, and you call me a liar for trying to correct your error? You should thank me for helping you.

I see Capt Bob does not have a clue about flying (he messed up flying procedures and calls other people names), what is your great skill?


What was the data rate again? Do you know you left off some bullets?
 
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Uh, Turbo?

I know you're busy and all and I don't post often because I find that usually the questions have already been answered. However, you seem to be ducking this one posted in post #2143 back on the last page. In case you're having trouble following the link, I've taken the liberty of recopying it here for you to save you the time.

The data is reviewed and in order. We're ready to debate and spreading it around.

Which begs the question, if this information you claim to have is as bulletproof and earth-shattering as you claim, what are you doing futzing about on an internet board instead of reaping your justly-deserved attention from the world press? Bit of a disconnect there, wouldn't you agree?

We're not here to seek answers. We're here to debate the frauds like Beachnut, Anti and ReHeat. They make claims but can't back them up.

Again, your public anxiously awaits. Why do you torment them so?

So why're you expending so much of your valuable energy trying to convince people here who it must be said are clearly not able to comprehend your collective brilliance when you could be out presenting your facts to the media and the public at large? Surely that would be much more gratifying and a better use of your time?
 
Come on guys, does that question really need explanation? I'm not here
to answer 100 JREF members and repeat myself, or cater to silly questions.

For the sake of Funk who claims to work with FDR's but can't figure out
what "not recorded", or "recorded properly" means, I will do my best to
explain it... :rolleyes:

You can't seem to distinguish between a parameter that has intelligible values,
and a parameter that records corrupt incoherent data. Anything
shown in the CSV file is more than enough information to show the aircraft
was too high and did not hit the Pentagon.

What other parameters do YOU need to figure this out?

That is not an answer to my question

Why are some of the parameters missing or not recorded properly as stated by the NTSB report on the FDR.

Why would there be corrupt or unintelligible data?

I am not asking what recorded or nor recorded is, I am asking why 8 pages of parameters are missing from the report.
 
Uh, Turbo?

So why're you expending so much of your valuable energy trying to convince people here who it must be said are clearly not able to comprehend your collective brilliance when you could be out presenting your facts to the media and the public at large? Surely that would be much more gratifying and a better use of your time?

Like I already said millions of times, this isn't our sole place of broadcast.

I'm here to expose beachnut, Anti and ReHeat for their inexperience and
lack of knowledge of the data acq. system & FDR.

Poor Beachnut is trying to tell us that 64 words per second is invalid?

These are the kinds of people that should be jailed along with those
responsible for the cover-up of 9/11.

It's sad that nobody else is putting Beachnut in his place for this nonsense.
What kind of upstanding citizen tries to deny facts presented by the documents?

Edited by LibraryLady: 
Edited for civility and attacking the arguer.


Infracting for Rule 12.
Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: LibraryLady
 
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Don't worry Jay, I will never back down or want to be banned. I'm just
playing like everyone else except certain moderators have favourites it seems.

I'm supposed to attack the argument, not the person however the same
does not hold true for other members.

Nice.

Well if that is what is occuring then it would behoove you to be a prime example of strict adherence to the rules here. When I was suspended at PfT I admit I had made some mild expressions of dismay at what some posters had said. I had my posts deleted, moved or edited by the mods(RB himself IIRC)
So, when I later started posting again I made absolutly sure that I followed never made mention of what I thought about any poster. I posted strictly on the topics. yet I still got banned. You probably know what exchange took place that prompted that ban. I implored PfT to write up a technical paper and submit it to various organizations and media. I explained my position. I was told bluntly that it would not be done and when I tried to explain the value of such a paper I was banned. When I asked RB why I was banned the answer was , in short, that I was a "government loyalist".
Seems to me you get treated quite well here in comparison.

PFT has contacted every FDR company worldwide, Boeing, the NTSB, ALPA,
APA, the list goes on. When trying to decode the raw file, many companies
were willing to help for a fee in the thousands. Once they realized where the
file originated, they declined to help even if they were paid, which includes Boeing.

With a DVD and the above mentioned press release. That this is insufficient has been pointed out many times here.

PFT was later able to get the raw file decoded for free. How do you think
that happened? This is the same raw file Beachnut and Anti-Sophist couldn’t
get decoded nor could they get their own data frame layout. It is clear who
has the experts on their side. It is clear that Beachnut nor Anti-Sophist
are "experts" or they would be decoding their own raw file obtained from the
NTSB and comparing it, instead of using PFT's decode.

Whether or not anyone else can get the decoded data is immaterial in preparing a paper based on the information you say you have and submitting that to publications such as AW. They publish information that the companies and the NTSB don't want spread around fairly often. I already mentioned the article in which they speak of the friction between NTSB and FBI in the TWA800 incident. What AW will not consider is investigating crackpot accusations of high treason.

We will give the names of our FDR Experts, who are currently working in the field,
the day Anti, Beachnut and Reheat offer their name and verifiable
credentials.


Immaterial to creating a technical paper. Immaterial to submitting such for publication or comment by organizations with an interest in this. You can still prepare such a paper while not revealing your source of propietray info.

Here is one link to Boeing Refusing to help decode raw file once they realized where the file originated.

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=435

Yes, and quite the display of paranoia it is.
You do understand why the pilot's unions would be interested in keeping FDR data under wraps don't you?
OR
Why Boeing customers would not want FDR data freely available?
OR
Why, if Boeing were to change their policy those organizations would hold Boeing responsible for any fall out that impacts them?

However I have not asked you to request an organization to decode the raw data. I have asked you to prepare a docuement based on the decode you did of the raw data and on the CSV file and contrast the path they illustrate the plane took with the path demonstrated by the ground damage and send that out for perusal and publication.

IF, (if,if,if) any magazine ever does publish a story based on Pandora's Box or its sequel, it will be as an opinion, an editorial on the video. It will NOT be a technical discussion. It will concentrate on what PB concentrates on, the supposed government conspiracy.

So once again (again and again and again) I implore you/PfT to create , from the work you have already done, a comprehensive paper on the purely technical details that illustrate that the FDR flight path is grossly different than the path shown by the physical evidence of damage on the ground.

until then you have little technical credibility, instead you are, at best, videographers, its that simple.
 
Like I already said millions of times, this isn't our sole place of broadcast.

That being the case, could you kindly provide a link to another media outlet with any regard and profile that has received and understood your data? More importantly, why clearly waste your time on this forum? I mean it's pretty obvious to even a casual reader such as myself that you aren't making the tiniest bit of headway here and that said, why waste your time? Certainly if this data interpretation of yours is as bulletproof as all that, why waste your time?
 
Like I already said millions of times, this isn't our sole place of broadcast.

I'm here to expose beachnut, Anti and ReHeat for their inexperience and
lack of knowledge of the data acq. system & FDR.

Poor Beachnut is trying to tell us that 64 words per second is invalid?

These are the kinds of people that should be jailed along with those
responsible for the cover-up of 9/11.

It's sad that nobody else is putting Beachnut in his place for this nonsense.
What kind of upstanding citizen tries to deny facts presented by the documents?

Can't you see he's trying to steer everyone away from the facts so that
he can spread his BS?

Beachnut, are you paid to lie on this forum?
This is a classic.

Please try to correct your 64 word/second error. Do you need help?

Why are 87 percent of all vertical accelerations missing from the p4t FDR decoded data?
 
These are the kinds of people that should be jailed along with those
responsible for the cover-up of 9/11.

Beachnut, are you paid to lie on this forum?
Threats and attacks, only Capt Bob can do better. Pure junk! Now you want me in jail for telling you the truth; how truthy of you.

Why can't you explain why p4t FDR decoders can't place the DME in the proper second, so they just put the 4 second sample in every second?

What does the salesman, your only FDR expert, say about the armature decode by p4t, highlighted by leaving out 87 percent of the vertical accelerations? Are you guys hiding something?

When will you correct the 64 word/s junk? Your paper is missing bullets. Why?
 
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Poor Beachnut is trying to tell us that 64 words per second is invalid?

These are the kinds of people that should be jailed along with those
responsible for the cover-up of 9/11.

It's sad that nobody else is putting Beachnut in his place for this nonsense.
What kind of upstanding citizen tries to deny facts presented by the documents?

Can't you see he's trying to steer everyone away from the facts so that
he can spread his BS?

Beachnut, are you paid to lie on this forum?
Turbofan says...
77fdrdatarateerrorp4t.jpg

That is a cool watermark! Wowzer!
Off by a factor of 4 huh? This is a perfect example of Beachnut spreading
lies and/or showing his lack of knowledge for the flight data system.

Here is a paragraph from the ARINC document which YOU DO NOT HAVE.
I've also put a watermark on this image so that when you COPY it, you
have a reference. Thank you UnderTow for providing this document to
our research team:
But the FDR in 77... (known for a long time!) (telling the truth is punished by jail in p4t trutherville)
77FDRdiscrpt.jpg

I cheated, I knew this long ago. Before Turbofan was fooled by p4t.

I told you when you posted the error you were off by a factor of FOUR. Big clue, but now I remember math and physics are not used by p4t and you, as you can see in a 5 month old 11.2 G error.

I gave you a big hint, you call me a liar. Cool. Wrong FDR information! Darn.

About the armature decode by p4t…
 
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Turbofan is like one of those blow-up dummies you punch, but because of all the weight in the bottom they pop right back up again as if nothing happened, only to get knocked down again.

Turbofan, you'd think after making about 100 incorrect claims and getting corrected by smarter people than you are time and again would give you some pause to rethink your beliefs, but there ya go!
 
No, it's not going to leave a mark. This is actually pretty funny! :D

Care to read that paragraph one more time?

Hmmm...
 

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