Psychic Samurai applies for MDC...apparently...

[chillzero]

He'll be on honeymoon just now, won't he, iirc?

However:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=122607

 

[steenkh]

He'll be on honeymoon just now, won't he, iirc?

However:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=122607

From the thread:

Mr. Koenig has been informed that, as of yet, his claim does not meet the requirements for a Challenge test as it requires subjective interpretation and does not rely upon objective, quantifiable evidence. However, we are not dismissing his claim outright, and are awaiting responses that will either show us how there will be quantifiable evidence and leave the file open and negotiable, or how there cannot be, in which case the file will be closed.

This is as expected, and the next thing we can expect is to see the Professors rage when when his subjective evidence is not accepted.

 

[Garrette]

He, Jim Callahan, and a few others at the magic cafe are claiming a victory of sorts regarding a video from the MDC session at DragonCon. They claim that the inconsistencies (and, indeed, a couple of actual inaccuracies on Randi's part which are confusingly corrected by Alison) demonstrate JREF deception.

 

[TheDoLittle]

He, Jim Callahan, and a few others at the magic cafe are claiming a victory of sorts regarding a video from the MDC session at DragonCon. They claim that the inconsistencies (and, indeed, a couple of actual inaccuracies on Randi's part which are confusingly corrected by Alison) demonstrate JREF deception.

Has any video from that test been made available yet? I'd like to know where it is *IF* it is available.

 

[Garrette]

Has any video from that test been made available yet? I'd like to know where it is *IF* it is available.

Do you mean the planned test of dowsers as a sort of preliminary preliminary?

I don't know, but here's the video Jim Callahan has posted on youtube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMrgr1yR3k0

 

[chillzero]

Perhaps we can refocus on this specific challenge claim?

 

[Garrette]

Perhaps we can refocus on this specific challenge claim?

Sorry, CZ. I was thinking it sort of was in that The Professor (as Psychic Samurai) is agreeing with Jim Callahan at The Magic Cafe that Randi's and Alison's responses to the questions in this video demonstrate that they were stonewalling his application. I'll drop it now, though.

 

[RemieV]

He, Jim Callahan, and a few others at the magic cafe are claiming a victory of sorts regarding a video from the MDC session at DragonCon. They claim that the inconsistencies (and, indeed, a couple of actual inaccuracies on Randi's part which are confusingly corrected by Alison) demonstrate JREF deception.

It isn't confusing at all. Randi is not privy to the negotiations with applicants until they reach the final stage, after the first protocol draft is complete. As Koenig has not (even now) reached that stage, Randi does not know the details of his file.

 

[rjh01]

If anyone wants to discuss Jim Callahan then here is a tag that points to threads that discuss him tag

(CZ It might be an idea if you could please move posts 1432 - 149 to one of these threads)

 

[chillzero]

(CZ It might be an idea if you could please move posts 1432 - 149 to one of these threads)

Not unless there's further derail. Currently those are close enough to topic.

Please keep this back on the protocol from here though.

 

[Czarcasm]

I think one of the biggest problems with the protocol is that The Professor wants "experts" to interpret whatever sounds come forth from whatever the source is during this experiment. Any person he offers as an expert will, of course, already believe that such phenomena exists. Now, I know that he has already been told that this type of testing is unacceptable, so if he persists, I don't know how we can proceed at all.

 

[Garrette]

On the Magic Cafe, I have suggested that The Professor return to this board and start a moderated thread to discuss protocol possibilities. He implied he would do so, but left it vague enough that he isn't committed.

The reason I recommend he ask the thread to be moderated is twofold:

1. I really do think several of these threads go off topic or turn into sniping opportunities.

2. To remove any objection he might raise about unfriendly skeptics.

 

[chillzero]

On the Magic Cafe, I have suggested that The Professor return to this board and start a moderated thread to discuss protocol possibilities. He implied he would do so, but left it vague enough that he isn't committed.

The reason I recommend he ask the thread to be moderated is twofold:

1. I really do think several of these threads go off topic or turn into sniping opportunities.

2. To remove any objection he might raise about unfriendly skeptics.

Garrette,
he already has that set up ... right here.

 

[Garrette]

Garrette,
he already has that set up ... right here.

I understand, but he is also complaining (and I refuted it) that this thread turned into a "Bash and lie about The Professor" thread.

An aside: I started a thread about the Magic Cafe thread I mentioned regarding the DragonCon video.

 

[chillzero]

I understand, but he is also complaining (and I refuted it) that this thread turned into a "Bash and lie about The Professor" thread.

which is why I have prompted a few times for people to discuss the protocol.

 

[GzuzKryzt]

which is why I have prompted a few times for people to discuss the protocol.

Until Koenig provides a reply as to how provide falsifiability, a protocol discussion seems moot.

 

[MattC]

It seems that this claim becomes much simpler to understand if one completely ignores the supernatural claims and treats it as a "guy wants to produce voice effect from nothing" affair. Considering the matter in this light seems to pierce the supernatural veil surrounding the issue at hand.

I confess that my inexperience with this forum leads me to not want to post any questions of my own yet, but it does seem that looking at the natural elements of Mr. Koenig's claim will expedite the process of arriving at a testable condition.

... then again, exactly how much claim is left over if one removes the supernatural is a very good point too.

~ Matt

 

[Czarcasm]

It seems that this claim becomes much simpler to understand if one completely ignores the supernatural claims and treats it as a "guy wants to produce voice effect from nothing" affair. Considering the matter in this light seems to pierce the supernatural veil surrounding the issue at hand.

I confess that my inexperience with this forum leads me to not want to post any questions of my own yet, but it does seem that looking at the natural elements of Mr. Koenig's claim will expedite the process of arriving at a testable condition.

... then again, exactly how much claim is left over if one removes the supernatural is a very good point too.

~ Matt

But the reason for the MDC is to test the actual claims of the testee, not to reinterpret the claim to suit our needs. Unless the claimant himself says that what is being tested is the production of "voices from nothing", and not "voices from the afterlife", then the claimant will have to show that the voices do indeed come from the afterlife.
Of course, saying "I can make noises appear from nowhere!" isn't as good a Halloween stunt as "The dead will speak!", but if The Professor is willing to make this change in his claim, it would help his cause greatly.

Unless, of course, his cause is not to actually take the test.

 

[steenkh]

It seems that this claim becomes much simpler to understand if one completely ignores the supernatural claims and treats it as a "guy wants to produce voice effect from nothing" affair. Considering the matter in this light seems to pierce the supernatural veil surrounding the issue at hand.

Well put. I wonder how many actually feels that there is anything supernatural involved in this claim - even among his supporters.

Welcome to the forum!

 

[jimtron]

From post #87, from The Professor:

Recording a voice of an entity that is NOT THERE, NOT VISIBLE (Unless someone or video takes a cool photo) Not present in this reality as we know it. Why wouldn't that be Paranormal?
JG
The voice will not be coming from me .. at least not from my voice box. Not physically.

Has the claim gotten more specific than that yet? If this is about recording a voice, I would assume that JREF or a third party would need to supply the recording device; to avoid the claimant bringing in a rigged one. And I think a Faraday Cage was brought up. Obviously wireless transmissions and other devices that could make sound need to be ruled out, as well as a rigged recorder.

I'd love to hear more specifics from The Professor--how exactly this will transpire, and what kinds of controls he will allow. Does he need to be close to the audio recorder? In the same room? Will everyone in the room hear the voice? Can this be done in any room?

Please let us know--I'm glad to hear that the application has been sent and received.