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2010 census survey isn't optional

If they were asking about my guns, I might have that concern...but they haven't, so I don't. As it is, I'm employed by the "gubmit". I'm sure you'll understand if I don't move my belongings into your pigeon hole. It's cramped and it smells funny. :rolleyes:

I think you think Mr. Scrut was being serious. And I think he was merely mocking/paraphrasing the typical paranoid nutcase. So, for third and last, I think there is a misunderstanding here.
 
Only an idiot would think the meaning of the words changes over the course of time.

Only an idiot would think it doesn't. Or are you one of Badnarik's nuclear nutjobs?

http://www.allacademic.com//meta/p_mla_apa_research_citation/1/3/9/5/9/pages139592/p139592-1.php

from Australia:
http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/journals/DeakinLRev/2004/24.html#Heading88

More your speed:
http://writ.news.findlaw.com/dorf/20071022.html


If that were the case, what's to stop the meaning of freedom of speech or religion to change into something that doesn't mean freedom of speech or religion?

People more informed than yourself.
 
Only an idiot would think it doesn't. Or are you one of Badnarik's nuclear nutjobs?
I'm just someone who thinks we should have rule of law, and if we want to change that law, we should go about it in the manner specified for doing it. Article V. Get to know it.

The fact that alterations to the application of the Constitution have been made is is no way justification for it.

The Australians can do whatever they want to their Constitution. It is, however, irrelevant to what we are doing and what we should be doing.

Mr. Dorf is, quite frankly, retarded. First of all, he never comes close to proving his thesis that James Madison is unable to reliably comment on the Constitution; he just states he will prove it and then doesn't relly come back to it.

Second, we don't have to rely simply on the text of the Constitution in order to see what the document was intended to mean. At the very least there's 85 letters to the American people telling them, in great detail, what the document is intended to do. Since it's the people who ratified the Constitution, after referencing the text, referencing what the people relied on to inform them of the document's intricasies seems a quite reasonable second step. After that, there's also the convention notes (for parts of it), and I can't imagine the Federalist papers are the only treatises written to the people in order to inform and convince them of the Constitution's utility.

Third, his "dilemma" of whether to accept the Cosntitution as it was understood at its ratification or as it's understood now is ridiculous for two reasons. First, we have to accept it as it was understood at its ratificiation for the simple reason that a changing meaning makes the Constitution worthless. If a few judges can alter its meaning on a whim, interpreting things into and out of it, saying it meant that but now it means this, then it really means nothing at all. Second, the question is flawed on its face because how many understand that Constitution now is colored in large part by how it's been applied and interpreted under this "living Constitution" bullcrap (especially to the lawyers who litigate it, who are instructed more in case law than the actual Constitution itself, according to my lawyer-buddies).

People more informed than yourself.
Would those be the same "informed" people who have kept every government from going to excess over the course of human history, including our own?

Pardon me if I have zero faith in them to do anything. Or you.
 
Only an idiot would think the meaning of the words changes over the course of time.

If that were the case, what's to stop the meaning of freedom of speech or religion to change into something that doesn't mean freedom of speech or religion?

Only an idiot...

Have you ever read any Roland Barthes? Hell, have you even heard of Roland Barthes?
 
I wonder why the federal government needs to know if I have indoor plumbing or not.


:jaw-dropp
Water management issues.


It's a holdover from the days where politicians wanted to ride to the rescue bringing everyone indoor plumbing, not just the lucky rich and middle class and lower class who lived in or near cities.

See also: electricity, gas, heating, fans, air conditioning, computers, Teh Intertubes, cars, etc.


It seems silly now, but there was a time when politicians could build a career on making sure you had indoor plumbing.

I wonder what "problem" they've moved on to? I've been covering my hands with thick softening cream and then sleeping with my hands in oven mitts in preparation for just the correct sounding, thunderous applause for their next venture.
 
It's a holdover from the days where politicians wanted to ride to the rescue bringing everyone indoor plumbing, not just the lucky rich and middle class and lower class who lived in or near cities.

See also: electricity, gas, heating, fans, air conditioning, computers, Teh Intertubes, cars, etc.
Like I said, vote-buying...
 
As the Brits, Antipodeans, and Europeans have pointed out we've had compulsory census returns for years - over 100, in the case of the UK - without any great problems. The data is used for a wide range of welfare related issues including social housing, planning for schools and medical facilities, identification of areas requiring additional economic assistance, and so on.

To the best of my knowledge it's not resulted in a Police State or Big Brother; I'm sure I'd have noticed on my way to work this morning.
 
Only an idiot would think that the meaning of any word stays constant over time.
It's a good thing I didn't assert such a thing, else I'd be an idiot.

What I am saying is that, although the meaning of some words can change over time, the meaning of the words in the Constitution should be read as they meant when they were written. If not, then, given just the right change (or loss) of meaning, the right to peacably assemble could, in time, be reduced to the protection of your right to quietly put together your latest Testor airplane model in the basement.

And only an idiot would think that's a valid way to read the Constitution.
 
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What I am saying is that, although the meaning of some words can change over time, the meaning of the words in the Constitution should be read as they meant when they were written.

So the Second Amendment only applies to muskets?
 
Like I said, vote-buying...

Actually, indoor plumbing significantly inhibits the spread of disease, making it a strong public health issue.

It's now a strongly moot one, given the spread of indoor plumbing, but yes, there are very compelling reasons to have it everywhere - bacteria and viruses don't seem to care whether you are a responsible citizen with lots of cash or a deadbeat mooching from the government when they decide to infect you with something.

I know, I know. Bacteria and viruses are dirty commies. What can I say? Lenin lives on, and his single-celled followers are legion. If only they had listened to Adam Smith.
 
Actually, indoor plumbing significantly inhibits the spread of disease, making it a strong public health issue.
But not a federal one.

Lenin lives on, and his single-celled followers are legion.
Makes sense, seeing as how that's about the evolutionary level one would have to be at in order to believe in that collectivist crap.

(Yeah, yeah, bees, ants, termites, blah blah blah... )
 
Only if the first is restricted to quills.

Seriously, what don't you get?

If the Second Amendment isn't only relevant to muskets, then surely interpreting the Constitution only in the context of and meaning at the time it was written is not the only concern?
 
Yes, it is. They didn't say "the right of the people to keep and bear arms as they are now shall not be infringed" now did they? One would have to be an idiot (there's those idiots again...) to think the people who wrote the amendment were under some delusion that, despite the fact that handheld armaments had evolved for hundreds of years to that point, all firearms that existed at the time were the pinnacle of achievement for the industry and further improvements would be impossible.

Idiots would believe that. Not smart people. Idiots.
 
But not a federal one.
How do you propose local governments find this out? Run their own census? Isn't that a little inefficient?

As for local politicians pushing for it in local areas, well, that's just good sense.

Makes sense, seeing as how that's about the evolutionary level one would have to be at in order to believe in that collectivist crap.

(Yeah, yeah, bees, ants, termites, blah blah blah... )
I'm glad you're not in our government. "Eh, everyone can worry about their own plumbing. Disease isn't a problem that effects society as a whole, it's a lifestyle choice!"
 
How do you propose local governments find this out? Run their own census? Isn't that a little inefficient?

As for local politicians pushing for it in local areas, well, that's just good sense.


I'm glad you're not in our government. "Eh, everyone can worry about their own plumbing. Disease isn't a problem that effects society as a whole, it's a lifestyle choice!"
Then we could amend the Constitution to make such things the province of the federal government.

Ever think of that???????????
 
Then we could amend the Constitution to make such things the province of the federal government.

Ever think of that???????????
When did I ever suggest that the federal government be put in charge of plumbing measures?

I'm perfectly okay with things remaining the way they are.

Also, how many question marks are necessary to convey that you are asking a question? Is one sufficient, or do you need four or five before you think your readers can determine that you have asked a question?
 
Also, how many question marks are necessary to convey that you are asking a question? Is one sufficient, or do you need four or five before you think your readers can determine that you have asked a question?

Three's company, fours a crowd, five is too many and six not allowed.
 

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