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Merged Truthers are at the DNC

johnny karate said:
The article Walter links indicates there were about 100 Truthers present. Another stellar turnout by the group claiming to be growing larger every day.
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Actually, 100 seems a bit low to me when you consider the 2006 Scripps poll indicating that one-third of US citizens believe that the US Government either participated in the 9/11 attacks or took no action to stop them (4% margin of error).

Can you cite data from a more recent poll to support your sarcastic insinuation, or are you just guessing based on your personal feelings?
 
deep44 said:
Actually, 100 seems a bit low to me when you consider the 2006 Scripps poll indicating that one-third of US citizens believe that the US Government either participated in the 9/11 attacks or took no action to stop them (4% margin of error).

Can you cite data from a more recent poll to support your sarcastic insinuation, or are you just guessing based on your personal feelings?
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And that, folks, is what cognitive dissonance looks like...

Acknowledging a low turnout in 2008 and then using a poll from 2006 to counter the idea that the truther movement is shrinking.

Hey, deep44: You're doing it wrong.
 
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deep44 said:
Actually, 100 seems a bit low to me when you consider the 2006 Scripps poll indicating that one-third of US citizens believe that the US Government either participated in the 9/11 attacks or took no action to stop them (4% margin of error).

Can you cite data from a more recent poll to support your sarcastic insinuation, or are you just guessing based on your personal feelings?
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I made no insinuations. I clearly stated that only 100 Truthers showed up to protest a major, nationally televised event. The link from the post I referenced supports this statement.

You can reference all of the dubious polls you want. It doesn't change the fact that when it comes to taking to the streets or engaging in any type of constructive action, the numbers are not on your side.
 
deep44 said:
Actually, 100 seems a bit low to me when you consider the 2006 Scripps poll indicating that one-third of US citizens believe that the US Government either participated in the 9/11 attacks or took no action to stop them (4% margin of error).

Can you cite data from a more recent poll to support your sarcastic insinuation, or are you just guessing based on your personal feelings?
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I looked at the TV and saw the group protesting, shouing unintelligable whatever it is they shout. I think 100 is about right.

Just because some people marked box "C" on a poll, doesn't mean that all of those people are going to travel to Denver, with gas at $3.50 a gallon, to protest anything as silly as the TM.

Alex is there and he has a bullhorn, of course none of the reporters knew who he was when he was verbally attacking Michelle Malkin.

Mustbe nice to be the titular leader of a movement like the WAC and INFOWARS.com and no political reporter or photogrpaher knows who you are.
 
johnny karate said:
You can reference all of the dubious polls you want. It doesn't change the fact that when it comes to taking to the streets or engaging in any type of constructive action, the numbers are not on your side.
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Dubious polls? Please, explain how the Scripps poll is "dubious", other than the fact that is conflicts with your worldview.

As for protesting - the Scripps poll was specifically designed as a survey of public opinion, while the number of protesters at any given event, for any given cause, is not indicative of widespread public opinion. If you have any evidence to suggest otherwise, please present it.
 
deep44 said:
Dubious polls? Please, explain how the Scripps poll is "dubious", other than the fact that is conflicts with your worldview.

As for protesting - the Scripps poll was specifically designed as a survey of public opinion, while the number of protesters at any given event, for any given cause, is not indicative of widespread public opinion. If you have any evidence to suggest otherwise, please present it.
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I'm not too interested what poll you or any other Truther presents has to say. They're just numbers floating around in cyberspace that have had absolutely no real world impact. The only function they serve is for Truthers like you to use to bolster your pathetic attempts to seem more relevant than you really are.

The question isn't how many people supposedly believe the crap you're movement is slinging, but rather when the crap-slingers are actually going to do something constructive with this consensus you've been claiming to have for two years now.

You failed spectacularly at both getting your candidate for president nominated and rallying support for your new investigation. Every Truther event has such a laughably low turnout that you've resorted to hijacking other people's protests because no one shows up for yours.

So you keep on crowing about how many people support your cause, champ. Just nudge me when you can get more than 100 of them to show up at the same time.
 
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Deep, you should wathc the Pen And Teller episode of BullShi! that covers why POLLS are that.
 
deep44 said:
Actually, 100 seems a bit low to me when you consider the 2006 Scripps poll indicating that one-third of US citizens believe that the US Government either participated in the 9/11 attacks or took no action to stop them (4% margin of error).
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Yes, there is a massive discrepancy between what you pretend the poll shows and reality.

This is why no-one is deceived by the ludicrous claims you make about this poll.
 
deep44 said:
Dubious polls? Please, explain how the Scripps poll is "dubious", other than the fact that is conflicts with your worldview.
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Well the most dubious thing about your statistic is that (as you know, since we have already discussed this, and since you have presumably looked at the results of the poll you're citing) you are not accurately reporting the results of the poll.

Has it ever occurred to you that the Truth Movement might gain credibility by being less persistently untruthful?
 
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deep44 said:
Actually, 100 seems a bit low to me when you consider the 2006 Scripps poll indicating that one-third of US citizens believe that the US Government either participated in the 9/11 attacks or took no action to stop them ...
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* sighs *

This looks weirder every time I look at it.

Your statistic does not cast doubt on reality. Reality casts doubt on your statistic. Reality wins. If the turnout of approximately 100 Truthers is discrepant with your expectations based on your bogus statistic, this is because your expectations based on your bogus statistic were wrong.
 
dudalb said:
WOnder what the turnout in The Twin Cities will be.
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Totovader said:
Shhh... We're hoping they can't stand the cold...
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I was thinking about the Xcel this morning. IIRC there is a parking structure on one side, a parking lot on the other, a river on the third side and a taller building to the north. There won't be any cool places for the networks to set up outside.

Also, the city set up specific places for protesters and you had to apply for a permit. IIRC almost all were accepted, but you have specific time and places. So if someone just shows up, they will be asked to move on.
 
CptColumbo said:
I was thinking about the Xcel this morning. IIRC there is a parking structure on one side, a parking lot on the other, a river on the third side and a taller building to the north. There won't be any cool places for the networks to set up outside.

Also, the city set up specific places for protesters and you had to apply for a permit. IIRC almost all were accepted, but you have specific time and places. So if someone just shows up, they will be asked to move on.
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This morning the whole area blocks away was cordoned off. I imagine that the networks will set up on the north side- there's a lot reserved for them that doubles as a parking lot for some events. I didn't get a peek at that part, but I would guess that they'll fence off some portions there and allow protesting from that point as well.

Even the highway blocks away from the event has barriers and barbed wire fencing up. If they didn't apply for a permit- I really don't see how they'll get anywhere.
 
Totovader said:
This morning the whole area blocks away was cordoned off. I imagine that the networks will set up on the north side- there's a lot reserved for them that doubles as a parking lot for some events. I didn't get a peek at that part, but I would guess that they'll fence off some portions there and allow protesting from that point as well.

Even the highway blocks away from the event has barriers and barbed wire fencing up. If they didn't apply for a permit- I really don't see how they'll get anywhere.
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I don't get to Downtown St. Paul much, so I haven't seen the prep. NPR was saying that IIRC 3 sq blocks are blocked off. I do like the billboards on 494 by the airport (The Daily Show's says "Welcome Rich White Oligarchs").
 
Stellafane said:
This is what Truthers are reduced to, backround nuisances while real things are happening in the foreground. They're like those people who hold up signs that say "John 3:16" at sporting events. And pretty soon they'll be about as ignorable.
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John 3:16

"...and the Lord said 'Go Twins!'"

I see nothing wrong with that.
 
deep44 said:
Dubious polls? Please, explain how the Scripps poll is "dubious", other than the fact that is conflicts with your worldview.

As for protesting - the Scripps poll was specifically designed as a survey of public opinion, while the number of protesters at any given event, for any given cause, is not indicative of widespread public opinion. If you have any evidence to suggest otherwise, please present it.
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Wasn't even 100, this from the Rocky Mountain News this morning:

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2008/aug/29/like-mint-levitation-most-protests-fall-flat/

Reality check
* Turnout for most parades and demonstrations fell far short of levels organizers anticipated on their city permits. A look at hoped-for turnouts and reality:
Group Event - Hoped-for -Actual
Re-create 68 Alliance/ Tent State University anti-war parades 40,000 / 1,000
Re-create 68 Protest 25,000 / 200

We Are Change and 9/11 Truth First Amendment Rally 100 / 24


Tent State University anti-war assembly 1,000 / 2,000 to 3,000
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Hoping for 100, got 24.

That's just great.

You set your sights so low, obviuosly praying for a surprise, yet the surprise, AGAIN, is the meager turn-out.
 
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