AA77 FDR Data, Explained

[Reheat]

If a wall breaching kit was used, it would have to be investigated and proven! This is exactly why smart people like members of PFT would rather have a new investigation to answer questions that don't make sense, ........

Uh, ummmmm, if "they" lied about this in the first investigation what's to keep "them" from lying in another one?

Oh, you want troofers to do the investigation!

 

[Turbofan]

Too bad that you lack the intelligence to recognize that you have no idea how a FDR even works. So your hand waving is to be expected.

Actually, I do and have posted questions about the system that nobody
has attempted to answer. Why don't you get off your butt and show me
your 'skillz' you faceless, wannabe?

You mean all those eyewitness account that specifically state that an American Airlines Boeing 757 crashed into the Pentagon? Nope, not ignoring them at all.

My witnesses say otherwise and they are on video, along with written accounts. I'm not ignoring my witnesses either (which are more credible
than yours).

Well, since you have no idea how a FDR works, nor physics or anything else, and since you have yet to provided even on iota of real evidence to support your fantasies, I'll go with the real evidence.

That is a lie, and all you can do is hand-wave without offering any tech.
Care to go one-on-one and debate electronics, and networking along with
the FDR? You might as well seeing that Anti and Beach are no longer able
to since being exposed.

Well, since you lack the intelligence to understand that the light is at the end of a boom that extends from the pole and would hit without the pole ever touching the vehicle, I can understand why you are unable to grasp what really happened that day.

Since you lack the intelligence to watch Lloyd's video testimony, you would
know that the pole was sticking out of the windshield...suspended by glass
alone as he came to a complete stop from 45 MPH(?). Sorry, I can't see
how such a thing is possible without damaging seats and hoods.

You are SO impressionable and naive.


Of course you believe that since you lack the intelligence to understand that the military did not know that 77 was hijacked until 2 minutes prior to it's crash.



Two planes hit the towers, and 77 is missing well before that two minute
mark buddy! How stupid is your military? I can't believe you accept this
nonsense.

Since I'm sick of answering your hand waving, I'll wait for you to explain
how one second of data can be erased in flash memory, and show me
how the address lines must be biased in order to achieve this without
erasing an entire block.

If you need diagrams (which I'm sure you do), I'll post them. Pretty sad
you have come to conclusions without having done any technical research.

From now on, I'm only answering FDR related questions. Get this thread
back on topic and focused.

Still I see nobody wants to debate PFT? Chicken? Hiding?

I promise we wont discuss Beachnut's error about DME! LMAO!

 

[X]

Please, Turbofan.

Write a full description of the events you believe took place.
Please account for all the physical evidence, electronic evidence, and eyewitness testimony.

It will help us determine where you or us might have misunderstandings, and to correct those.


Oh, and just for spite:

 

[JimBenArm]

Another post full of insight. Thanks for not descending into insult and childish gamemanship. This is sure to convince everyone of your superior reasoning and use of facts to back up your thinking.

 

[Jonnyclueless]

Make no mistake, the members at PFT have more than just pilot backgrounds.

If you kids would research for once, you would know this. Rob is a very
sharp man and has excellent resources at his disposal. The people involved
researching and studying the FDR data have all the necessary skills, unlike
the faceless cowards here.

Rob and PFT and myself have called out Anti, BeachNut, Pomeroo, ReHeat
and several others to debate.

Pomeroo is the only member that replies to Rob. The others are chicken.

PFT has never backed down, and never will. We invite you all to an open
discussion live.

We have e-mails, and recorded phone conversation contradicting your false
statement.

So , once again: Who has the balls and brain power to debate this FDR data
live? Let's set it up! We'll see who backs down

OK tough guy, let me ask you again then.

What experience do the brain trust over at PFT have in regards to FDRs? I'm not asking for your personal opinion of who you think is smart and you you think isn't smart, because you've made it more than clear that you have no understanding of the difference.

WHAT are the qualifications of the members of PFT in regards to FDRs?

PS - I love how you refer to people as "faceless". Thank. Is Turbofan your first or last name kid?

 

[Jonnyclueless]

I don't think I have seen anyone so obnoxious, immature, and dim witted since Craig.

 

[Turbofan]

It's kinda tough to be faceless when I'm calling people out for a radio debate.
I guess I'll introduce myself as "Turbo, Fan"? LOL!

My name has been posted within this thread, you can read and find it,
or get your cowardly 'experts' to debate PFT and then you can know my
entire name!

For those claiming I'm immature for using smiley faces and stuff,
just run back and count the number of laughing dogs, cartoons and
other garbage your buddies have posted.

Hypocrites

No, I'm not going to post what I believe happened on 9./11 because
it's not going to get us anywhere. I'd rather debate the facts about
FDR and animation which your incompetent NTSB released.

P.S. Turbofan is my middle name!

 

[Jonnyclueless]

Is that right named person who won't give his name? Oh right, I'm not doing research. That's why you don't post under your real name (while accusing others o being nameless). Yeah, and L3, the NTSB, and the FBI don't take you guys seriously because? I don't know how they could not be impressed by your clear professionalism and high maturity levels.

And for your information little guy, the reason for people posting cartoons is in response to your little act. Yes yes, I am sure on your cute forum that you are a real mean tough guy and all the kids are really intimidated by your big macheesmo. But what you don't understand is that it makes you a laughing stock here. And while I am sure most of the pros at PFT may still think wrestling is real, the crowd here isn't quite so easy to convince.

So ya might wanna think about your little show you put on and then start to put 2 and 2 together as to why you keep getting laughed at. Not just by everyone here, but by the general public.

So let me ask you again, since the bulk of your argument consists of touting how smart you kids are and how stupid everyone else is. What again are the qualifications of the members of PFT in regards to FDRs? I mean aside from your claim that you are more knowledgeable than the NTSB.

Thanks Mr......whatever your name is.

PS - Oh yes and maybe you can explain what information you are witholding that you will only present on the radio. And can you tell us why you are witholding information here that you can only address on the radio?

 

[DavidJames]

It's kinda tough to be faceless when I'm calling people out for a radio debate.

So your radio shows pictures?

Sorry, TF, you are one pathetic human being.

 

[beachnut]

I figured you still wouldn't understand. DME is updated every two seconds.
Period.

There are two receivers each updating at four second intervals. The DME
values alternate every TWO seconds...therefore you have an UPDATE every
TWO seconds.

If you had half a clue, you would see this in the CSV file!

It's easy to see you still don't understand beause you're asking questions
about why the frame data you linked from UnderTow shows a value holding
until the next data is available.

The frame data and CSV data are not laid out in the same format!

My friends, you are listening to Beachnut - a washed up wanna be, faceless pilot without
a clue!

If you asked the clueless p4t expert dolts pilots, who can't make a rational idea on 9/11, they messed up and gave you’re a failed 4 second update??? each DME sample is one second. 77 heading about 90 degree 300 knots.

Flight 77 is coming to Washington at 300 knots, the DME is over 40 second, if the update was every FOUR seconds the DME would be counting down. I asked you to get your experts to explain why the DME is not updating. Explain why these value are updating at more than 8 seconds, over 20 seconds. Your experts FAILED.

You said FOUR seconds, data proves you WRONG. The personal attack is cute, Capt Bob does it all the time when he is not posting 11.2 G errors.

p4t experts WRONG again!!!!!
Oops, wait, for people who don't know math, maybe the updated DME values that doesn't change for 20 seconds is 4 seconds.
The pathetic p4t experts better look at the data before they spew lies! Did you make up the FOUR seconds? Are you able to get anything right using the failed p4t experts?

I may see if you answered some more questions wrong. Like the chip! Funny stuff, I loved your EPROM junk! Funny, Capt Bob is the failed pilot, 11.2 G worth

 

[WildCat]

I'd rather debate the facts about
FDR and animation which your incompetent NTSB released.

Actually, you want to debate about FDRs with the poeple here, none of whom claim to be an expert in FDRs. What you have refused to do, by your own admission, is contact actual FDR experts to see if they will corroborate your findings.

And we all know why neither you nor the frauds at the PfffT will do so, don't we?

 

[SDC]

From time to time it seems like a good idea to provide a ranking of the most obnoxious posters. Some of us think that Malcolm Kirkman set something of a gold standard, though obviously the original "Stundie" must have been really exceptional. Many others spring to mind... Hxstamper, Lastchild... Oh, everyone has his/ her favorites.

I think that, judging from this thread, Turbofan's postings have great potential. His contributions are to be taken seriously indeed in this competition, on many levels.

 

[Jonnyclueless]

Say, it PFT the group who couldn't hit the WTC buildings in a flight simulator despite pretty much everyone else with no flight experience being able to do it on the first try? Or was that some other conspiracy cult?

 

[applecorped]

No, I'm not going to post what I believe happened on 9./11 because
it's not going to get us anywhere. I'd rather debate the facts about
FDR and animation which your incompetent NTSB released.

If you truly believe that you have a narrative that explains what you think really happened then wouldn't you want to have it peer reveiwed?

 

[Turbofan]

If you asked the clueless p4t expert dolts pilots, who can't make a rational idea on 9/11, they messed up and gave you’re a failed 4 second update??? each DME sample is one second. 77 heading about 90 degree 300 knots.

p4t experts WRONG again!!!!!
Oops, wait, for people who don't know math, maybe the updated DME values that doesn't change for 20 seconds is 4 seconds.
The pathetic p4t experts better look at the data before they spew lies! Did you make up the FOUR seconds? Are you able to get anything right using the failed p4t experts?

Wow, you are thick and clueless.

You think the DME value at 300 knots is going to be the same for FOUR,
one second samples, and then magically JUMP from 17 to 16.2 to 14.7 to 12.7 nm!

Double WOW!

Like I already explained, each DME receiver updates at four second intervals
and the frame data holds the last known value until the next sample.

This is shown in the CSV file, and outlined in the spec!

DME is polled every four seconds according to the NTSB and FAR part 121 !

LOOK IT UP!

Beachnut is trying to win a battle that he lost LONG before hitting "submit reply"

 

[Jonnyclueless]

So they guy running around calling everyone stupid and bragging about how his cult is so much smarter than everyone else is still refusing to answer the question about what their qualifications are in this area. Hmmm....

The same guy who says that looking at the whole situation of events will get us no where so instead wants to stick to the facts about a rough working copy of the CVS animation. Well that's some impressive investigation work there! Who cares about the rest of the evidence. Can't be bothered with that pesky evidence that gets in the way. What kind of idiots would want to research the entire event instead of focusing on one detail and using that detail to dismiss everything else?

Yes, using one piece of evidence to dismiss all other evidence. And you call the NTSB incompetent....

 

[Turbofan]

So they guy running around calling everyone stupid and bragging about how his cult is so much smarter than everyone else is still refusing to answer the question about what their qualifications are in this area. Hmmm....

The same guy who says that looking at the whole situation of events will get us no where so instead wants to stick to the facts about a rough working copy of the CVS animation. Well that's some impressive investigation work there! Who cares about the rest of the evidence. Can't be bothered with that pesky evidence that gets in the way. What kind of idiots would want to research the entire event instead of focusing on one detail and using that detail to dismiss everything else?

Yes, using one piece of evidence to dismiss all other evidence. And you call the NTSB incompetent....

We must be smarter because I've already listed qualifications at least four times.

Is everyone on this forum blind, and/or illiterate?

One piece of evidence huh? Blind again? You obviously skipped over the
lists of questions and anomalies in my replies a dozen times

BTW; Do you see how I wrecked Beachnut and his understanding of
DME about three times already? I sure hope Reheat and Anti can do better!

 

[Arus808]

Seeing that TF has been on my ignore list (which ALL OF YOU should be doing) i dont know why this thread has ballooned to nearly 50 pages, with the SAME stuff that WAS COVERED BEFORE.

He's not hear to learn. he's hear to cause trouble, as he's been doing. He is not serious.

At this point in time, if a "troofer" like TF shows up, all we should be asking is for his EVIDENCE and stop engaging these frauds in a debate of words.

 

[WildCat]

We must be smarter because I've already listed qualifications at least four times.

Problem is, none of the people you listed is an actual FDR expert and you refuse to contact an actual FDR expert to corroborate your findings.

And one of the guys you list as an expert, John Lear, thinks there's alien bases on the moon and submarine tunnels under the desert in Nevada!

 

[WildCat]

Seeing that TF has been on my ignore list (which ALL OF YOU should be doing) i dont know why this thread has ballooned to nearly 50 pages, with the SAME stuff that WAS COVERED BEFORE.

He's not hear to learn. he's hear to cause trouble, as he's been doing. He is not serious.

At this point in time, if a "troofer" like TF shows up, all we should be asking is for his EVIDENCE and stop engaging these frauds in a debate of words.

We cats who don't have guns like to play with our prey before killing it.