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AA77 FDR Data, Explained

OOPS! I'm sooooo sorry! Did you say this was
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Maybe they just fell off in a near perfect arc because of some new "phenomenon"?
Maybe you are being obtuse, sadly it's not my responsibility to help you with that.
The exterior brick facade is nothing but cladding. The masonry remaining behind the extension demonstrates that the penetration was not symmetrical.


before clean up?

So, did Hani take his hammer and chisel out of his purse to removed the bricks

Ignoring the idiocy of your sarcasm, this is a pre-cleanup image. But if the joking is all you can think of for a response then by all means you're entertaining me with making a fool of yourself.

along the green line?
It's readily apparent that the penetration through the masonry wall behind the cladding is not as large nor as "symmetric".


I guess those bricks don't count because of some debris [the underlyning masonry wall] hanging down that you have so elegantly outlined in red? :big:
I fixed that for you.

Welcome to 911 where missing bricks are not part of an exit hole, until AFTER the clean up! :rolleyes:
Portions of the penetration, namely that of the cladding is cosmetic damage. I am talking about the section in which both the masonry and the cladding were penetrated. Then again you're incapable of such simple distinctions...
 
I don't avoid questions Wildcat, I just answer those with some reasonable
debating skills. You have been twisting my words, and going off in to fantasy
land all thread with nothing productive to add.

While everyone else here dodges my questions and calls for live debates, you
follow me around posting up the same quote looking for me to agree to your
conditions.

Your quote is not what I believe. My concerns with the official theory have
been mentioned, and that is final. AA77 did not hit the Pentagon according
to my research, and the research of PFT.

I'll give you my version of what happened once a complete investigation is
made. Something you all should be asking for as well...because it never happened.

So just keep bending over and believing what your government says.
 
When are you going to do something productive about this massive cover-up? Posting here doesn't seem to be doing much to expose this conspiracy. If you truly cared about the innocent victims you would be doing more than posting here.

I am doing more. THis isn't my full time gig. I'm making calls, and researching
and spreading the news elsewhere.

I'm trying to get your faceless cowards live to record them and expose them,
so I can forward the audio to more people.

Right now, I'm working with others to set up radio interviews in Canada,
and contacting my local MP's.

Don't worry. I only play on here during the day to pass the time.

P.S. I call dibs on > :big:
Nobody else can use him; I used him first! :cool:
 
I am doing more. THis isn't my full time gig. I'm making calls, and researching
and spreading the news elsewhere.

I'm trying to get your faceless cowards live to record them and expose them,
so I can forward the audio to more people.

Right now, I'm working with others to set up radio interviews in Canada,
and contacting my local MP's.

Don't worry. I only play on here during the day to pass the time.

P.S. I call dibs on > :big:
Nobody else can use him; I used him first! :cool:
I'm so glad we have you here to do that. After all, it's apparent you're a level-headed, mature, responsible adult who only replies in ways that shine favorably upon your viewpoint.

Or not.
 
. The masonry remaining behind the extension demonstrates that the penetration was not symmetrical.

It's readily apparent that the penetration through the masonry wall behind the cladding is not as large nor as "symmetric".

So how did the other 'cladding'/bricks, STUFF, or whatever the hell you want
to call it, chip itself away like that?

This is even more a mystery don't you think? Give me your version on how
to achieve a clean arc like pattern please.
 
So how did the other 'cladding'/bricks, STUFF, or whatever the hell you want to call it, chip itself away like that?
Most likely it was just sheared off when the debris from the plane hit the wall. That brick cladding isn't a load bearing member, it's designed to only support it's own weight. It's much weaker than the masonry structure behind it.
 
Most likely it was just sheared off when the debris from the plane hit the wall. That brick cladding isn't a load bearing member, it's designed to only support it's own weight. It's much weaker than the masonry structure behind it.

What force acted upon the cladding to break it apart if there was a wall in front of it?!

I don't understand how you can arrive at that conclusion and keep a straight face.

Apple: I don't know where this is going, but I hope we're getting closer to
making a difference. I (and countless others) want our questions answered
and a complete investigation.

Release all the photos, tapes, correct the 'working copy', get Cheney and
Bush to testify separately under oath. Explain the C-130, E4-B and other
facts that were never mentioned to the public!

It's a simple request, and considering the scale of the event - it SHOULD have
already happened.
 
IYou have been twisting my words, and going off in to fantasy
land all thread with nothing productive to add.
And which part of my summary does not accurately reflect your beliefs? Bear in mind I can back up every point with your own words, maybe you'd like to retract some of your past claims?

Your quote is not what I believe.
Then please, correct what you think I've misrepresented.

I'll give you my version of what happened once a complete investigation is
made.
Oh, but you've already claimed everything in my summary! Now, if you'd like to correct what I got wrong please do, but don't run away like a coward from your past statements.
 
Apple: I don't know where this is going, but I hope we're getting closer to
making a difference. I (and countless others) want our questions answered
and a complete investigation.

Release all the photos, tapes, correct the 'working copy', get Cheney and
Bush to testify separately under oath. Explain the C-130, E4-B and other
facts that were never mentioned to the public!

It's a simple request, and considering the scale of the event - it SHOULD have
already happened.

Since you are Canadien are you taking issue with your own government?
Does the Canadien government support a new investigation? If not, what are you going to do about it?

Who do you want answers from exactly?
 
Since you are Canadien are you taking issue with your own government?
Does the Canadien government support a new investigation? If not, what are you going to do about it?

Who do you want answers from exactly?

I have contacted my local MP and will be going to higher levels with new information that PFT will be releasing shortly.

I want answers from the NTSB, FBI, Pentagon and anyone directly involved
starting with Dick, George, and Don.
 
Turbofan claims I misrepresented his words, and then immediately confirms one part of the summary I made!

From my summary: "Other teams of conspirators spread airplane parts all over the lawn of the Pentagon, inside the Pentagon, and in the alley beyond the C-Ring. They blow a hole in the C-Ring with a wall breaching kit for good measure."

And then Turbofan posts:
What force acted upon the cladding to break it apart if there was a wall in front of it?!

I don't understand how you can arrive at that conclusion and keep a straight face.
I can do the same for every bit of that summary Turbofan. Would you like to start retracting your past statements now, or will you admit this is indeed what you think happened?
 
I can't believe I'm going to answer your little pathetic request. Now keep in
mind my belief is not necessarily the same as PFT. We can't possibly know
exactly what happened without further investigation. These are MY words,
and they do not represent PFT. Got it?

Flight 77 disappears from radar screens, and is replaced by either a "smaller plane" or a missile.

An E-4B and C-130 are also involved, which are not mentioned in the OGCT.

Red Flag.

While the E4B flys over the Pentagon.

Teams of conspirators immediately swoop down on the scene, staging
light poles and Lloyd England's cab.

Other teams of conspirators stage airplane parts at the Pentagon, inside
the Pentagon, and in the alley beyond the C-Ring.

They blow a hole in the C-Ring with a wall breaching kit for good measure. I don't believe I have ever typed that?


At the same time, other conspirators go inside the burning Pentagon and plant the remains of the Flight 77 passengers and crew,
I don't believe I have ever typed that?

a short time earlier when Flight 77 was diverted to some other airport where everyone on board was killed.
I don't believe I have ever typed that?

All of this was done in broad daylight prior to any public knowledge.
People on their way to work, to Pentagon employees, to firemen, paramedics, and policemen arriving on the scene. And nobody is aware as the highway
had been blocked off to traffic.

But there was one problem - one of the doofuses at the NWO accidentally programmed the flight path of the decoy plane into the planted FDR instead of the fllight path they would officially claim for Flight 77.
I don't believe I have ever typed that?

I believe the FDR was planed from the flyover plane.

The NTSB ignores these discrepancies, because they are also in on the conspiracy.
I don't believe I have ever typed that?

Everything is going smoothly until the team of experts and researchers at PFT file a FOIA request and the NTSB turns over the data. Now they have signed
a released FDR data which the government claims is AA77.
 
I have contacted my local MP and will be going to higher levels with new information that PFT will be releasing shortly.

I want answers from the NTSB, FBI, Pentagon and anyone directly involved
starting with Dick, George, and Don.

With Dick and George soon to become private citizens soon you should forget about that ever happening. Ditto with Rummy.

Do you have any hope whatsoever that anyone associated with NTSB, Pentagon or FBI would answer your questions? If no one has yet you might want to give up that line of your investigation as it seems to be a waste of your time.

Your only chance it would seem is with your own government.

p.s. Do you have a time limit upon yourself as to how long you are willing to invest in this?
 
Turbofan claims I misrepresented his words, and then immediately confirms one part of the summary I made!

From my summary: "Other teams of conspirators spread airplane parts all over the lawn of the Pentagon, inside the Pentagon, and in the alley beyond the C-Ring. They blow a hole in the C-Ring with a wall breaching kit for good measure."

And then Turbofan posts:

I can do the same for every bit of that summary Turbofan. Would you like to start retracting your past statements now, or will you admit this is indeed what you think happened?

You are such a loser. This is EXACTLY why I don't respond to you. I never
once said anything about a wall breaching kit! Show me , find a quote!

Mods, this sort of nonsense is against forum policy is it not?

I am no longer going to respond to Wildcat because he twists everything
around, and nothing is getting done about it.

If a wall breaching kit was used, it would have to be investigated and proven!
This is exactly why smart people like members of PFT would rather have a new
investigation to answer questions that don't make sense, than have Widlcat
spread BS lies and false claims.
 
The only stupid thing is that you believe AA77 struck the Pentagon even though the damage and FDR says otherwise.
Too bad that you lack the intelligence to recognize that you have no idea how a FDR even works. So your hand waving is to be expected.
Gee lapman, you're forgetting the initial news reports of that morning? You
are dismissing eye witness accounts recorded on video.
You mean all those eyewitness account that specifically state that an American Airlines Boeing 757 crashed into the Pentagon? Nope, not ignoring them at all.
You bend over and accept the poor excuse of shoddy video released by the
DOD, while it contradicts the FDR data.
Well, since you have no idea how a FDR works, nor physics or anything else, and since you have yet to provided even on iota of real evidence to support your fantasies, I'll go with the real evidence.
You bend over and accept that a light pole suspends itself through a wind-
shield without a scratch on the seat, or hood.
Well, since you lack the intelligence to understand that the light is at the end of a boom that extends from the pole and would hit without the pole ever touching the vehicle, I can understand why you are unable to grasp what really happened that day.
A terrorist decides to make a loop in restricted airspace instead of crashing
directly into a target! LMAO! Nice one lapper!
Well, since you lack the intelligence to even understand basic flying maneuvers or human nature, I can understand why you would think that a hijackers would follow the rules and avoid the Class B airspace until they announced their intentions to approach control to get permission to enter and crash into the Pentagon. I can also understand why you can't grasp the idea that a professional pilot with a lot of experience would not have needed to make the descending turn.
Your defence system failed to intercept 4 planes, and AA77 being known
to be hi-jacked for about 45 minutes and tracked up to 50 miles (while doing
a loop!)
Of course you believe that since you lack the intelligence to understand that the military did not know that 77 was hijacked until 2 minutes prior to it's crash. You also are unable to grasp the concept that without the transponder on, there is really no way to tell the altitude of the aircraft.
No release of video from any other Pentagon camera, Citgo, or Hotel.
Why must you lie.
Nobody stands up and corrects the working copy to prove their case.
Since you lack the intelligence to understand that because there is a plethora of other evidence that supports the fact that flight 77 crashed into the Pentagon, such a correction is not a requirement, I can understand why you would make such a statement.
Cheney's story doesn't match Mineta's video testimony.
Since you lack the intelligence to understand that because that Mineta's testimony doesn't match all other testimonies and evidence that shows his time line is off, I can understand why you would make such a statement.
The impact damage doesn't add up with a Boeing.
Since you lack the intelligence to understand what that damage would really look like, I can understand why you would make such a statement.

No formal investigation
Since the conspiracy liars and their cult followers such as yourself will never accept any investigation that does not support your fantasies, I can understand why you would make such an idiotic statement.
Need I go further?
Well, if you want to keep making a fool out of yourself, go ahead.
How about one more - the animation shows incorrect pressure altitude!
Since you lack the intelligence to understand that a working copy has no requirement to be 100% accurate, I can understand why you would make such a statement.

PFT figured it out. :cool:
Wow, they did and all they do is sell stuff. Gee, what real patriots they are. :rolleyes:
So instead of questioning these points, you make excuses about mythical
data lag, and DME! :rolleyes:
Since you lack the intelligence to understand these concepts, I can understand why you would make such a statement.
 
I can't believe I'm going to answer your little pathetic request. Now keep in
mind my belief is not necessarily the same as PFT. We can't possibly know
exactly what happened without further investigation. These are MY words,
and they do not represent PFT. Got it?

Flight 77 disappears from radar screens, and is replaced by either a "smaller plane" or a missile.

An E-4B and C-130 are also involved, which are not mentioned in the OGCT.

Red Flag.

While the E4B flys over the Pentagon.

Teams of conspirators immediately swoop down on the scene, staging
light poles and Lloyd England's cab.

Other teams of conspirators stage airplane parts at the Pentagon, inside
the Pentagon, and in the alley beyond the C-Ring.
So it was accurate to this point.

They blow a hole in the C-Ring with a wall breaching kit for good measure.
I don't believe I have ever typed that?
You certainly implied it. If a 757 couldn't make that hole, surely you don't suggest a smaller plane could, especially in light of your above post? And you surely aren't suggesting a missile went through it and only exploded once outside the C-Ring? The only other option I can see is that a bomb blew the hole. If you had another theory in mind please post it.

At the same time, other conspirators go inside the burning Pentagon and plant the remains of the Flight 77 passengers and crew, I don't believe I have ever typed that?
So you admit that the remains of the Flight 77 passengers and crew was actually found in the Pentagon?

a short time earlier when Flight 77 was diverted to some other airport where everyone on board was killed.
I don't believe I have ever typed that?
Now I'm confused. Either Flight 77 hit the Pentagon, or it landed somewhere else. And since none on board was ever seen again, and their remains werew identified through DNA, they surely are dead. Or are you claiming that Flight 77 never exosted, and neither did the passengers and crew?

All of this was done in broad daylight prior to any public knowledge.
People on their way to work, to Pentagon employees, to firemen, paramedics, and policemen arriving on the scene. And nobody is aware as the highway
had been blocked off to traffic.
You have evidence the highway was blocked to traffic? :boggled:

But there was one problem - one of the doofuses at the NWO accidentally programmed the flight path of the decoy plane into the planted FDR instead of the fllight path they would officially claim for Flight 77.
I don't believe I have ever typed that?

I believe the FDR was planed from the flyover plane.
Then you must believe that the flyover plane took off at the same time and place as Flight 77, and flew an identical flight path, correct?

The NTSB ignores these discrepancies, because they are also in on the conspiracy.
I don't believe I have ever typed that?
So id the NTSB isn't in on it, why haven't they come forward with their concerns?

Everything is going smoothly until the team of experts and researchers at PFT file a FOIA request and the NTSB turns over the data. Now they have signed
a released FDR data which the government claims is AA77.
But you just said the NTSB wasn't in on it? :confused:

Sorry Turbofan, your corrections don't add up to a coherent narrative.
 
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