AA77 FDR Data, Explained

[tsig]

No Jonny, I did NOT reference that image. The files that I am referring to
are the tabular files posted in my reply!

YOu are too slow to understand that we don't need installers, and manufacturers
to back up our research.

According to you , we might as well get the grounds keepers, road crews,
and brick layers that build the L3 building to chime in as well. They have
just as much responsibility for the flight data as the FDR manufacturer.

Gotta love this kid "jonnyclueless", he tries, but he just doesn't get it.

How did the FDR get where it was?

 

[jaydeehess]

Quite obviously there are FDR experts at L3.
Quite obviously L3 would be very interested in a case in which their FDR did not record data that illuistrates a flight path that is grossly in error and can be shown to be grossly in error due to physical evidence of the path the aircraft took.
Quite obviously then PfT has been in contact with, and submitted their finding to, L3 who have either confirmed that the FDR data does not match the accepted path the aircraft took, or told PfT why their conclusions are in error.

So, can we see the paper that PfT submitted to L3 and the response from the acknowledged experts at L3?

 

[tsig]

That image is from UnderTow's account. Why don't you ask him what's going on?

What you are seeing are frame layouts from the raw file.

You don't even know that much, and you think the values are still measured
at the same time?

Forget about the data I want to know how you think the FDR got to where it was found. Or maybe there was no FDR and all the data is faked yes that's how I would do it and then laugh as all you CTs stewed in a juice of your own making.

 

[beachnut]

Actual Flash Memory used in AA77's FDR

FA2100 CSMU
2005.8 Intel 128 Mbit Strata Flash Memory, Intel Part Number TE28F128J3C-150 (3V)

What year was 77's FDR installed?
What year this chip was first released? TE28F128J3C-150 ?
What year did 77 first fly?

Please present sources that this chip was in 77 FDR. Prove it.

You post junk all the time, unforced and not really evidence that 77 did not hit the Pentagon. Gee, you have no conclusion or goal anyway.

 

[jaydeehess]

I would word that a bit differently. The data itself is fine; it has been
recorded properly as per system function. PFT does not have an issue
with how the data was captured, stored, or retrieved.

Our issue is with the NTSB, FBI and government because the data does
not support their official theory.



Not to the manufacturer because they are not responsible.

PFT has submitted their findings to media sources, and the NTSB.

I can suggest sending the data and analysis to L3, but what good will that do?

Come on Turbofan, L3 stands by its product but its product has recorded a flight path that can be proven to not match the physical evidence on the ground. Surely L3's reputation is on the line. L3 should then be agreeing with PfT's conclusions and noting that either their equipment is in error or that the physical evidence is in error. It can only be one of those two choices.

,,, and no, PfT has not submitted a technical paper outlining how they conclude that the FDR data describes a grossly different flight path than the physical evidence illustrates. PfT has not produced such a docuement much less submitted it to anyone, let alone any organization (including L3)that would have acknowledged expertise in FDR analysis.

Instead PfT chooses to debate FDR analysis online with people they do not recognize as having the expertise to do so. I fail to see the value for PfT in getting its opinion verified or even addressed, using this course of action.

"not responsible"??? How can you say that with a straight face? Yes L3 has a responsibility here. PfT says that the data ostensibly, and officialy, recorded on L3 equipment is not what it should be for a flight path that is illustrated by other means. They have the responsibility to determine whether or not their equipment operated properly.

 

[Jonnyclueless]

No Jonny, I did NOT reference that image. The files that I am referring to
are the tabular files posted in my reply!

YOu are too slow to understand that we don't need installers, and manufacturers
to back up our research.

According to you , we might as well get the grounds keepers, road crews,
and brick layers that build the L3 building to chime in as well. They have
just as much responsibility for the flight data as the FDR manufacturer.

Gotta love this kid "jonnyclueless", he tries, but he just doesn't get it.

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/77FDRp4tNAV.jpg

Oh REALLY?

And what you are saying is that you don't need any experts in the field you are discussing because you know more than the experts even though you are not yourself qualified and even though your argument against members o JREF is that they have no qualifications? I had assumed you were just a regular truther, but not I have to begin to wonder if you are simply a con artist.That's about as dishonest as it gets. You can't even live up to the expectations you have for those you make accusations against.

The fact that you think I think the groundskeepers,etc from L3 should be involved shows that YOU don't get it son. In fact it seems that's how YOU feel since your information ios from talking to a salesman and you feel that is more qualified than the actual engineers. I would say a salesman is more like a groundskeeper than an engineer.

You can keep putting on your cutsie wittle tough guy stance (oh no you're just so intimidating little fella!). But while it may impress WWFers and PFTers, it doesn't really impress anyone here.


The whole stance of P4T is a complete con job. The whole "We don't make any actual accusations of point fingers" etc mantra. The whole notion of trying to present one angle of evidence to dismiss all the rest of the evidence is not research, it's fraud. You claim "Oh well the altitude is too high so the light poles couldn't have been hit". But you geniuses don't even realize it works both ways. The light poles being knocked down can show that the altitude was incorrect. Are you saying the light poles did not get knocked down? Do you guys think about this stuff before you write?

Gosh it must be awful tiring walking about with those huge brains of yours.

 

[beachnut]

That image is from UnderTow's account. Why don't you ask him what's going on?

What you are seeing are frame layouts from the raw file.

You don't even know that much, and you think the values are still measured
at the same time?

This is the famous p4t decode, and you can't answer or explain your own group's work. Good job. How loyal. Great.

Expert? yep Turbofan is an expert...

 

[WildCat]

I can suggest sending the data and analysis to L3, but what good will that do?

Yeah, because why on earth would the PfffT want to send their findings to actual FDR experts to check their work? That's something only honest researchers would do, rather than internet frauds with a bunch of merch to sell.

 

[jaydeehess]

Let me ask it very clearly.

Has PfT informed L3 that they (PfT) have found that the data recorded on the FDR from Flight 77 does not match a flight path that is illustrated by the damage path on the ground?

Yes OR No ??

 

[Turbofan]

This is the famous p4t decode, and you can't answer or explain your own group's work. Good job. How loyal. Great.

Expert? yep Turbofan is an expert...

I never claimed to be an expert, you all know my background.

I'll tell you one thing, I 've got you beat when it comes to FDR's and Flight
data acquisition systems.

You're the guy that thinks both DME receivers are stored at the same time
in FDR memory!

Jaydee, yes. PFT has submitted to L3. So now what?

 

[beachnut]

Our issue is with the NTSB, FBI and government because the data does
not support their official theory.

Not to the manufacturer because they are not responsible.

PFT has submitted their findings to media sources, and the NTSB.

I can suggest sending the data and analysis to L3, but what good will that do?

But the FDR does support the events of 9/11. This is not theory, it is what happen. You are the one without theories. You can't even show where the FDR does not support the official story, much less understand the FDR has nothing to position 77 in the real world better than 2000 to 4000 feet. You lack knowledge. You can't tell me where 77 is when the data stops, but you make up lies about 77. Lies! 77 hit the Pentagon and kill fellow soldiers, you make up lies. 77 FDR was found in the Pentagon, and it appears the data stopped when 77 was 273 feet above the ground, 5 to 6 seconds from impact in the Pentagon witnesses by real people who saw 77 impact the Pentagon. You ignore evidence and make up fantasy.

There is not one thing in the FDR that is contrary to the events of 9/11. You just don't understand FDRs, Flight systems, Flying, physics, or any skill needed to see Rob Balsamo is either a fraud or real stupid to believe his own lies. You can't produce are real fact to support your failed ideas.

You have no evidence, you will never have evidence to support your ideas. This is called failure, if you have not failed before, then you have now.

The media source see Capt Bob as a paranoid guy with nut case ideas. Wake up. He spews, "77 was too high to hit the Pentagon", and they all you need to do is think of the many witnesses who saw 77 knock down lamppost at 500 mph and impact the Pentagon.


You fail to analyze the FDR with any skill or knowledge. Each time I see p4t members regurgitate false ideas, I learn more about 9/11 and see clearly where 77 FDR stopped recording data as the terrorist pilot makes a massive pitch down 5 to 6 seconds before impact, just before he speeds past the VDOT tower almost hitting it, then impacting the Pentagon.

Let me bring you back to reality!

Sean Boger, Air Traffic Controller and Pentagon tower chief - "I just looked up and I saw the big nose and the wings of the aircraft coming right at us and I just watched it hit the building." "It exploded. I fell to the ground and covered my head. I could actually hear the metal going through the building."

Go ahead try to say 77 was too high! Where was 77 when it was too high?

 

[tsig]

I never claimed to be an expert, you all know my background.

I'll tell you one thing, I 've got you beat when it comes to FDR's and Flight
data acquisition systems.

You're the guy that thinks both DME receivers are stored at the same time
in FDR memory!

Jaydee, yes. PFT has submitted to L3. So now what?

Where did the FDR you are analyzing come from?

 

[beachnut]

I never claimed to be an expert, you all know my background.

I'll tell you one thing, I 've got you beat when it comes to FDR's and Flight
data acquisition systems.

You're the guy that thinks both DME receivers are stored at the same time
in FDR memory!

No never said that, you did. Sorry you lack...
No, your reading comprehension is missing! I said explain the data dumb by your experts,.

But the truth is your lack comprehension I will repeat my only claim. Oops, more like a statement.

P4t have the DME on every second of their data dump, this is your group of experts try to explain it. I already know you have ZERO clue how often the real time DME is updated to the FDR, you said two second per unit, then 4 seconds per unit, but you skipped the rest!

Your p4t data. I never said the DME is updated every second, you are a liar. I have asked you when it was updated.

First you said 2 seconds.

Then you said 2 seconds every other, making it 4 seconds. But then I showed you the data for many seconds. Explain the update please using your own data, from p4t sources! Stand by your p4t sources!
Update time?

Any clue? So is it 4 seconds as you said after you missed you said TWO! Experts at p4t are ready to help you! What is your theory again on Flight 77?

So is it FOUR seconds? Doesn't look like a 4 second update of DME data! What do you think? Did p4t let you down. Gee, Capt Bob is not good at math, are you? No, 77 is not on an arc! 77 is heading about 90 degrees the entire clip at about 300 knots! Darn the DME would be changing almost each second! What is the update?

 

[Cobalt]

I can suggest sending the data and analysis to L3, but what good will that do?

Jaydee, yes. PFT has submitted to L3. So now what?

So, you did, or, didn't?

 

[HyJinX]

Oh Oh....I think somebody got caught in a little fib. Shame shame turbo.

 

[Turbofan]

Where did the FDR you are analyzing come from?

We don't have the actual FDR hardware. We have the data extracted from
the FDR memory.

Beachnut, when you learn how many times DME updates per second, you
might understand the data you are looking at and figure out the position
and altitude for yourself.

If you are too lazy to open up the file, have a look at any PFT video which
shows animated images while explaining the data within the file.

 

[Jonnyclueless]

Ah yes, the animation for which the FDR data is meaningless explains it all....

 

[Turbofan]

Oh Oh....I think somebody got caught in a little fib. Shame shame turbo.

I wouldn't call it a lie, I would call it uninformed.

At least I'm correcting myself as I don't see the harm in admitting I did not
know the study was sent to L3.

As far as I'm aware, the press release stated several media sources, FBI,
NTSB, and members of parliament.

PFT did not receive a response for/against the study from L3.

The only contact I thought we had from L3 was the phone call and e-mail
correspondence.

 

[beachnut]

We don't have the actual FDR hardware. We have the data extracted from
the FDR memory.

Beachnut, when you learn how many times DME updates per second, you
might understand the data you are looking at and figure out the position
and altitude for yourself.

If you are too lazy to open up the file, have a look at any PFT video which
shows animated images while explaining the data within the file.

So you have no clue and fail to answer another question! How truthy

So we have Keyboard Commando Turbofan from p4t who has no theory! Has no answers!

So you have nothing! Can't tell us if your TWO second update was lie, or your FOUR second update is a lie, or what the update time is!

Why not say you have no clue and you have no experts at p4t that are able to make rational answers cause they never look at the data.

Please explain why DME is only stored as X.0, X.2, X.5, X.7 for p4t and X.0, X.2, X.5, X.8 for NTSB? What values of DME would a reading of 1.5 really represent? If you can't answer the DME questions about the FDR then you have failed! You are a fake. You are ignorant of your own data, and are not even up to a layperson's understanding of a FDR.

Answers?

 

[Turbofan]

So you have no clue and fail to answer another question! How truthy

So we have Keyboard Commando Turbofan from p4t who has no theory! Has no answers!

So you have nothing! Can't tell us if your TWO second update was lie, or your FOUR second update is a lie, or what the update time is!

Why not say you have no clue and you have no experts at p4t that are able to make rational answers cause they every look at the data.

Please explain why DME is only stored as X.0, X.2, X.5, X.7 for p4t and X.0, X.2, X.5, X.8 for NTSB? What values of DME would a reading of 1.5 really represent? If you can't answer the DME questions about the FDR then you have failed! You are a fake. You are ignorant of your own data, and are not even up to a layperson's understanding of a FDR.

Answers?

I don't need a theory because we have NTSB release data which shows AA77
didn't the poles.

You are a pilot, and have no clue about networking, data transfer, or
EPROM.

You have also shown you cannot read FDR data, or know the polling times
of DME.

Get educated. You have no business trying to explain flight data. It's no
wonder you wont go on Hardfire, or any other live forum to explain yourself