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Is there anything more depressing than American political conventions?

Blue_Sargasso

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Here are the ingredients that Democratic and Republican conventions must have:

1) The word “Change” must be used constantly, but without any specific details of what is actually going to change.
2) The candidates must say that they are not part of the establishment (even though they obviously are or they wouldn’t be where they are).
3) The Stars & Stripes must appear everywhere.
4) “Family values” must be preached constantly.
5) The First Lady must give a speech that appeals to women and makes her seem like an ordinary mom (though she definitely isn’t).
6) The candidate must appear as a very strong Commander in Chief, and, at the same time, as a regular guy you could chat to over a beer in the local bar, even though the two activities are obviously diametrically opposed.
7) The candidates must not be intellectual heavyweights and say anything dangerously clever. All intellectuals are secretly “French”.
8) The candidates must not, God forbid, be atheists.
9) The candidates must be stinking rich and yet able to say, with a straight face, that they understand the pain of the poor and will help them out. (Yeah, right!)
10) How many houses, Mr McCain? Who paid for your luxury Chicago pad, Mr Obama?
11) The candidates must be “human” and say things like, “Hey, sweetie,” to their daughters on televised feeds.
12) There must be demonstrable affection between candidate and wife, and their children must be lovable and adorable, if possible.
13) There must be a huge amount of razzmatazz at the jamboree.
14) Former rivals must, in the manner of Soviet show trials, be made to endorse the candidate and plead for Party Unity.
15) Old warhorses of the party must make tear-jerking speeches.
16) Huge amounts of money must be raised to launch vicious ad hominem TV attack ads.
17) The candidates must invoke God and say, ‘God Bless America,’ as many times as possible – but must not talk too much about their religious beliefs for fear of alienating different denominations.
18) There must be references to Camelot and Kennedy/Reagan, depending on preference.
19) Everyone must wear a permanent smile and be “on-message” at all times.
20) Everyone must have faith, and pride, and patriotism and “support our boys out in I-Raq.” Allegiance to the American Dream is compulsory, even though it’s a nightmare for 90% of the population, and much of the world too.

Isn’t the Reverend Wright spot on? Isn’t he the only honest American, and hence a pariah? Forget God Bless America, and let’s have God Damn America! European politics are a joke too, but they seem almost classy in comparison with the lowest common denominator, fake-to-the-core American process.
America is an idiocracy. The political conventions are the proof. Why do the many smart people in America go along with this stomach-churning charade, this circus performance for morons?
And it’s not as if the President makes a difference anyway. America is ruled by Wall Street, Big Business, Rupert Murdoch’s media empire, Washington DC lobbyists, fanatical evangelical Christian pressure groups, the military-industrial complex, all coming under the overarching rubric of WASP Freemasonry. Oops, instant loss of credibility there for mentioning conspiracy theories. But, as every American knows, George Washington was a Freemason and the whole nation was founded according to Masonic principles. Mike hockney’s thriller The Armageddon Conspiracy shows just how deeply ingrained in the psyche of America Freemasonry is. I recommend it. Hopefully, Dan Brown's long-awaited new thriller will do a similar job when it puts in an appearance.

I’ll put my hard hat on now as the WASPs set their attack dogs on me. But wouldn’t it be good if, for once, everyone said, “Hey, buddy, you’re absolutely right. Let’s do something about it.’ Oh dear, I must have been inhaling too much America Dream Spirit! Is that what killed Kurt Cobain?
 
I read through that, knowing that the insanity would kick in at some point. And, sure enough, there were the freemasons.

You didn't disappoint, Blue.
 
I read through that, knowing that the insanity would kick in at some point. And, sure enough, there were the freemasons.

You didn't disappoint, Blue.

Damn, I stopped reading before I got to the Freemasons. Now I have to go back just so I can laugh.
 
To answer the question in the title:

Yes. There are things more depressing than American political conventions.

Like how many people believe in and continue to use homeopathy.
 
You forgot that each candidate must be introduced ad nauseum as "the next president of the United States." And the balloons. The many, many balloons.

Oh and nice segue into how the convetions are somehow a front for the Masons. Gotta love those Masons!
 
Would being apathetic about all the nonsense count as doing something?
 
Depressing it too strong a word; I think Boring is about right.
I say cut the conventions down to Two days. That should be enough to nominate the candidates,approve the platforms, and make all the dull speeches.
 
To answer the question in the title:

Yes. There are things more depressing than American political conventions.

Like how many people believe in and continue to use homeopathy.

Homeopathy is such a non-problem, it doesn't make the top 100 of problems.

Please don't take that as a pro-homeopathy statement; it isn't.
Its an anti-myopia statement. While we argue about big foot and 9/11, we are being hoodwinked, big-time. Being major chumps.
 
"Is there anything more depressing than American political conventions?"

Undoubtedly: the mass delusion on the parts of millions of Americans that our current methods of electing a president stands even a fighting chance of producing a leader substantially different from her/his competition and bearing anything akin to innovative ideas.

What the conventions really are is a cross between a high school pep rally and a Hollywood award ceremony; the candidates and platforms are pretty well crystallized prior to the conventions and today’s technology elevates the need for party members to meet in order discuss and/or determine anything.

Like so much of American politics, the conventions are...uhm..."quaint" examples of how our political landscape either needs updating or revamping.
 
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Oh dear, I must have been inhaling too much America Dream Spirit! Is that what killed Kurt Cobain?

I believe it was drug addiction and a shotgun.


Here's the schedule of the Democrat convention;

Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 00:25:34 +0000

2008 Democrat National Convention Schedule of Events

7:00 pm OPENING FLAG BURNING

7:15 pm PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE U.N.

7:20 pm Ted Kennedy PROPOSES A TOAST

7:25 pm NONRELIGIOUS PRAYER AND WORSHIP - Jesse Jackson & Al Sharpton

7:45 pm CEREMONIAL TREE HUGGING - Darryl Hannah

7:55 pm Ted Kennedy PROPOSES A TOAST

8:00 pm HOW I INVENTED THE INTERNET - Al Gore

8:15 pm GAY WEDDING PLANNING - Rosie O'Donnell

8:35 pm Ted Kennedy PROPOSES A TOAST

8:40 pm OUR TROOPS ARE WAR CRIMINALS - John Kerry

9.00 pm MEMORIAL SERVICE FOR SADDAM AND HIS SONS – Cindy Sheehan and Susan Sarandon

10:00 pm ANSWERING MACHINE ETIQUETTE - Alec Baldwin

11:00 pm Ted Kennedy PROPOSES A TOAST

11:05 pm COLLECTION FOR THE OSAMA BIN LADEN KIDNEY TRANSPLANT FUND - Barbara Streisand

11:15 pm FREE THE FREEDOM FIGHTERS FROM GUANTANAMO BAY – Sean Penn

11:30 pm OVAL OFFICE AFFAIRS - William Jefferson Clinton

11:45 pm Ted Kennedy PROPOSES A TOAST

11:50 pm HOW GEORGE BUSH BROUGHT DOWN THE WORLD TRADE TOWERS - Howard Dean

12:15 am TRUTH IN BROADCASTING AWARD - Presented to Dan Rather by Michael Moore

12:25 am Ted Kennedy PROPOSES A TOAST

12:30 am SATELLITE ADDRESS - Mahmoud Ahmadinejad

12:45 am NOMINATION OF Barack Hussein Obama- Nancy Pelosi

1:00 am Ted Kennedy PROPOSES A TOAST To Obama

1:30 am Ted Kennedy PROPOSES A TOAST To Hillary Clinton

1:35 am Bill Clinton asks Ted Kennedy to drive Hillary home​
 
Painter,

What would be your interpretation of the schedule of events for the RNC?

ETA: You left out Master of Ceremony: Ben Affleck
 
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There is an infinite number of things more depressing than an American political convention.

A political convention, even an American one, is a time for rejoicing and celebration. Democracy is expressing itself. And Democracy is good, or at least much better than the alternatives.
 
Is there anything more depressing than American political conventions?

Yes, the coverage about it...
 
There is an infinite number of things more depressing than an American political convention.


I couldn't agree more.

A political convention, even an American one, is a time for rejoicing and celebration.


I couldn't disagree more. IIRC, party conventions prior to a presidential election in the US have very defined theoretical purposes: 1. gather party members who couldn't otherwise engage one another-no longer necessary due to technology; 2. determine a party candidate-no longer really necessary due to the primaries; and 3. set a platform-again, due to the primaries this isn't really necessary these days.

Democracy is expressing itself.


This is why I find them to be overindulgent and troublesome: if our democracy is truly expressing itself through the conventions, we are in trouble. The actual political addresses are mostly retreads of well known former statements and the rest is celebrity and media grandstanding without much, if any, substance.

We have the 4th of July for celebrating our democracy and independence on a grand scale and should be celebrating it as close to daily-the-year-round as possible, IMO. This doesn't mean we shouldn't examine the components of our democratic process for opportunities to improve, however.

And Democracy is good, or at least much better than the alternatives.


Again, I couldn't agree more; but there's a time and a place for celebrating, and now at the conventions ain't it, IMO.

All in all, I don’t really feel that the DNC and the RNC are themselves terribly problematic but as I said before, I do think they are indicators of a larger issue: our political system is in some respects a bit outdated and under equipped for the times and the shear number of citizens that the system is supposed to serve.
 
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I couldn't agree more.




I couldn't disagree more. IIRC, party conventions prior to a presidential election in the US have very defined theoretical purposes: 1. gather party members who couldn't otherwise engage one another-no longer necessary due to technology; 2. determine a party candidate-no longer really necessary due to the primaries; and 3. set a platform-again, due to the primaries this isn't really necessary these days.




This is why I find them to be overindulgent and troublesome: if our democracy is truly expressing itself through the conventions, we are in trouble. The actual political addresses are mostly retreads of well known former statements and the rest is celebrity and media grandstanding without much, if any, substance.

We have the 4th of July for celebrating our democracy and independence on a grand scale and should be celebrating it as close to daily-the-year-round as possible, IMO. This doesn't mean we shouldn't examine the components of our democratic process for opportunities to improve, however.




Again, I couldn't agree more; but there's a time and a place for celebrating, and now at the conventions ain't it, IMO.

All in all, I don’t really feel that the DNC and the RNC are themselves terribly problematic but as I said before, I do think they are indicators of a larger issue: our political system is in some respects a bit outdated and under equipped for the times and the shear number of citizens that the system is supposed to serve.
The US is in many ways democratic. Evidence could be presented that it is almost as Democratic as the rest of the democratic countries in the world.

No need to despair, my friend!
 
I appreciate the outside perspective. Rest assured that despair is not my co-pilot; I'd call it something more like vigilant watchfulness in the hopes of constant improvement.
 
I appreciate the outside perspective. Rest assured that despair is not my co-pilot; I'd call it something more like vigilant watchfulness in the hopes of constant improvement.
American Poltical Conventions are very depressing in their own right. Still, we should celebrate the miniscule of demócracy still left in the US.
 

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