Psychic Samurai applies for MDC...apparently...

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All indications are that this is not an honest attempt at proving paranormal phenomena, but that it is instead a stunt, a performance, a willful hoax.
James Randi started the precursor of the MDC with exposing magicians who claimed they did not do it by tricks but through supernatural forces. He has spent a lifetime haunting Uri Geller. I can easily imagine mr. Randi bending the rules in order to get at yet another magician who cons people with claims of the supernatural.

It will be a battle of wits, and you think James Randi is in risk of losing?
 
All indications are that this is not an honest attempt at proving paranormal phenomena, but that it is instead a stunt, a performance, a willful hoax.

I may be wrong. But given what we've seen so far, it seems to me that bending the rules in this case is unwise.


I completely agree. But if The Professor fails the test, atleast he can't claim he was treated unfairly. It will be abundantly clear to everyone that the JREF went out of their way to assist him in his MDC application.


It will be a battle of wits, and you think James Randi is in risk of losing?


In a battle of wits, I have no doubt whatsoever that Mr. Randi and the JREF will win, and I have very little concern over them losing the million dollars in this particular case. My concern, like Piggy, is the possibility that The Professor's application is merely a cry for attention and publicity, and he has no intention of ever taking the MDC.

I've been a member on The Magic Cafe.com for many years now, and I've spent a fair amount of time involved in threads regarding the JREF and the MDC. My position has always been in support of the JREF, and I've found that two of the most vocal members against Randi have been The Professor, and his friend Jim Callahan. No doubt you've all seen the work of Mr. Callahan, and his comments regarding the MDC. This man boldly states on his website that,

"$1,000,000.00 is what I intend to make as a result of testing with James Randi and his JREF organization."
(http://jimclass.com/Challange.htm)

Jim believes the JREF MDC is rigged, so he has devised his own challenge which he feels suits his "abilities" better. Because the JREF aren't banging on his door to take said challenge, he advertises this as proof that Randi is scared of him. Jim is known to the JREF, and will seemingly tell anyone who'll listen (and even some who won't) how Randi "ran from his challenge". You can read more about it here:

http://jimclass.com/Bid_for_$1,000,000.00.htm

I understand that The Professor and Mr. Callahan are close friends. Infact, the photo of The Professor mailing his application to the JREF was first posted on Jim's website:

http://www.jimclass.com/RadioESP.htm

Based purely on my experience with both men over at The Magic Cafe, I suspect that The Professors application has been orchestrated with Mr. Callahan's assistance, and is more for future publicity than it is a genuine attempt at the MDC. This would explain the already noticeable loopholes that have begun to appear, such as;


  • The public announcement by The Professor regarding the time and details of the challenge before the JREF acknowledged his application.


  • The unfounded (and irrelevant) allegations that the details of The Professors application were "leaked" by JREF staff, and his accusations of unethical behavior.


  • The countless archived posts by The Professor on The Magic Cafe, publicly claiming that the JREF MDC is a fraud.

I'm also particularly interested in what The Professor will be providing as the required "proof of media presence". He has stated in this thread that he is booked for all of his radio appearances as a mentalist.

The Professor Slim King is booked on ALL of his radio Shows as a MENTALIST!


As I have already mentioned in another post, mentalism is a form of conjuring/magic. If The Professors claims about being booked as a mentalist are true (and I see no reason to doubt him), then I expect that the links to the radio programs he provided in his e-mail to RemieV (posted earlier in this thread) will not be sufficient media presence for the MDC. My suggestion is that The Professor should take part in the event this year without the involvement of the JREF, and attempt to gain some form of media coverage that relates directly to his claim, and then reapply for the MDC in time for the event on October 31st, 2009. Unfortunately, the event on October 31st, 2010 will occur after the JREF MDC has been discontinued. Whilst I don't speak for the JREF, I imagine that successful completion of the 2009 preliminary test would be strong enough to extend the deadline for The Professor to complete the formal test on October 31st, 2010.

Based on what has been posted here and elsewhere regarding The Professors application, I find it unlikely that the two parties will be able to agree on a testing protocol before the date of the event. I predict that The Professors attempt at the MDC will end with no test at all, and him claiming a win within the magic and paranormal community because the JREF refused to bend to his rules and conditions.

Cheers,

Chris
 
There's a time problem here. The Professor said that the event will take place on 10.30.08 & 31.10.08 and that between now and then he'll be on a honeymoon for "a couple of weeks". How does that leave enough time for protocol management?

Here are my $0.02 for The Professor: If you're so sure that you can win the million dollars, think about postponing the honeymoon.
 
James Randi started the precursor of the MDC with exposing magicians who claimed they did not do it by tricks but through supernatural forces. He has spent a lifetime haunting Uri Geller. I can easily imagine mr. Randi bending the rules in order to get at yet another magician who cons people with claims of the supernatural.

It will be a battle of wits, and you think James Randi is in risk of losing?
Literally, use a thief to catch a thief in this case.
 
Well, I know my opinion doesn't mean a hill of beans, but boy, I wish you wouldn't.

All indications are that this is not an honest attempt at proving paranormal phenomena, but that it is instead a stunt, a performance, a willful hoax.

I may be wrong. But given what we've seen so far, it seems to me that bending the rules in this case is unwise.

I second Piggy's post.
 
There's a time problem here. The Professor said that the event will take place on 10.30.08 & 31.10.08 and that between now and then he'll be on a honeymoon for "a couple of weeks". How does that leave enough time for protocol management?

Here are my $0.02 for The Professor: If you're so sure that you can win the million dollars, think about postponing the honeymoon.


I think the actual event is scheduled for October 31st. I'm not sure if anything is happening on the 30th. I think the one year window between the tests is a bit cheeky, but if that's the only way that it works, then fair enough.

The Professor got married over the weekend just past. He has said that he will be on his honeymoon for a couple of weeks, so we can probably assume that he'll be back by maybe the 8th of September. This gives about a month and a half for the protocol negotiations. I've not followed a JREF MDC claim from the beginning before, so I'm unaware how long they take, on average. Anyone seen a challenge successfully put together in such a short amount of time before?

Cheers,

Chris
 
Hi, Chris --

It depends on the claim. If the claim is very clear and testable, it doesn't take that long, though you'd really have to hoof it to make it in a month and a half.

If the claim is not clear and/or is untestable, it can take a LONG, LONG time to get the negotiations going -- mostly because the claimant is going to have to find something testable to test. If, for example, Mr. Koenig is claiming that a voice will issue forth from the Devil's Chair and that he will demonstrate that it is a paranormal effect, it's going to take a while to work it out. You've probably seen all of the postulated trickery in the thread -- all of that will have to be "defeated" somehow.

Leaving only a month and a half will really be pushing it. I honestly doubt that the claim alone will be properly defined in time. But we'll see.
 
Anyone seen a challenge successfully put together in such a short amount of time before?
I believe it has happened. However, it depends very much on the cooperation of the claimant, and in this case, I expect a lengthy process where the JREF wants to enforce controls, and The Professor wants to run his show in his own way.
 
In summary, The professor comes back from his honeymoon, takes 2 months to negotiate in bad faith a protocol. Then accuse JREF of stalling because they took too long to reply to his correspondence were rude or were too demanding. Hence they are to blame for missing the deadline.
 
I think the one year window between the tests is a bit cheeky, but if that's the only way that it works, then fair enough.

According to The Professor's own words, there is absolutely no reason for either the date or location to be fixed:

In West Germany ... On the 15th January, 1983

Since The Professor says he wants to replicate things that happened in Germany on the 15th of January, any claim that it is only possible for this to work in Florida in October is clearly false.
 
I feel that any, if not several, of the predictions regarding the outcome of this application could come true. It will be interesting to look back in a few months and see which one has. Would that be worthy of the million, by any chance? No? Ah well, it was worth a shot... :)

There are a lot of unanswered questions here, which doesn't surprise me in the slightest. Cuddles, your theory is a very good one, and I think it should be added to the list of questions for The Professor when he returns from his honeymoon.

As I've already mentioned, I feel that the first hurdle in this application will be the media presence issue. By his own admission, The Professor has not provided adequate proof of media presence relating to his claim, and I think this will cause the application process to grind to a screeching halt. The Professor has claimed that the event only occurs once every year, on October 31st. In my opinion, this makes it impossible to gain media coverage relating to his claim and take the test in 2008.

Chris
 
I thought he created his own media presence? It was my impression that he has already mentioned the Challenge in several shows.


You are correct. The issue is that The Professor has claimed that all his radio appearances are as a mentalist/conjurer. This would, in theory, make the media presence he has pointed to unacceptable for his MDC application.

Cheers,

Chris
 
An associate of mine over at themagiccafe.com has been kind enough to send me the following posts from The Professor. Apparently he's been quite active over there of late, despite being on his honeymoon. I'm still not permitted to post over there, after getting banned for debunking his Bigfoot prediction, but these posts are in the 'Stand The Test' section if anyone is interested in confirming them for us.

www.themagiccafe.com
On 2008-08-29 11:16, Psychic Samurai wrote:
Randi/JREF, has my email address and private phone number, and I've received NOTHING (Except the emails saying they have not received anything, even thought I have proof of reciept). I will be more than happy to continue with the challenge protocols, but it seems the JREF will not call, write or even email.
Alexandre is 100% correct!
I have no desire to utilize the JREF forum at this time for obvious reasons. It is not needed and the Mods can change what is said at will.
Yachanain ... You know full well that the JREF has NEVER risked the Million on ANY test. They just wanted to ridicule the lady. If you read the challenge they say that things like this will happen if you decide to take the challenge. Read it sometime!
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On 2008-08-29 21:04, Psychic Samurai wrote:
I do wish the JREF would contact me. I would be more than happy to work Randi's three questions into my Devil's Chair Halloween Extravaganza. I would not run like the Canadian lady. In fact .... I WOULD LOVE THE OPPORTUNITY!!!!!!!
It seems that our predictions were correct. He's already blaming the JREF for his challenge not going ahead. Any comment from the JREF regarding The Professors application yet?
 
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"I would be more than happy to work Randi's three questions into my Devil's Chair Halloween Extravaganza."
This isn't a proper challenge-this is a magic show he is putting on, and he's trying to use the JREF for free publicity. And what are "Randi's three questions"?
 
"I would be more than happy to work Randi's three questions into my Devil's Chair Halloween Extravaganza."
This isn't a proper challenge-this is a magic show he is putting on, and he's trying to use the JREF for free publicity. And what are "Randi's three questions"?

It seems he is already using the JREF for free publicity. Hard to quantify how successful.

This should provide a good example to watch the JREF deal with a (semi-)prominent applicant. Which they announced they would do many moons ago, in case people have forgotten. Granted, in brevity: They probably meant different calibers.

Quote from the link: "[...]She is one of the major villains that the JREF – as previously announced – will be selecting as targets for the million-dollar challenge. I believe that the following will give readers of SWIFT a taste of how we will go about applying the challenge from now on.[...]"
 
Why does it seem that a lot of people who keep saying that they're taking the challenge, planning on taking it, *this close* to being accepted, etc., always seem to think they can rewrite some (or all) of the rules and protocols?

Is reading with comprehension really that hard?
 
Wow. How really annoying. Even after RemieV explained to him that she is not in the same physical location as JREF and that they have to forward applications to her and that she hasn't gotten his yet, and even after we explained this to him a couple of extra times, he still persists in claiming that she MUST have his application because he has the receipt that JREF has received it.

Gosh. You'd get to thinking that he's been insincere about this whole thing from the start. Fancy that.
 
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