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[Perihelion Xanateris]

I've wiped my chin covered with invisible foam. Now you wipe your blind eyes.

You've studied both sides of the argument have you? And I'm Jack Nicholson.

This is so sad PX. Seriously, you are one of those people who are at the point where they are so one-eyed, bias, hypocritical and ignorant that they actually believe that other people are.

You're a lost cause.

You posting here is pointless, and our voices of reason are drowned by your bigotry.

Alex.

ETA: and for God's sake do not call me 'pal'.

Whatever you say, pal. I'm not interested in talking to you if all you're going to do is flame me.

I have laid out a hell of a lot of evidence from The One. You've completely ignored all but one small piece quoted below, and you didn't even address that bit.

Most of which is presented with bias. It's hard to address issues that are being clouded by the insistence that no psychic is genuine.

Now, why did you think the person who arranged the Falconio test should have been "bitchslapped"? Are you skeptical of all remote viewing claims or just the contestants who took part? Did you express your concern anywhere prior to that segment being televised (it was widely reported up to a month beforehand) or were you only annoyed after they failed to find anything? Did a part of you hope they would succeed? Would you have supported it if Shé was part of it?

Hard to say. I just think that the whole thing was incredibly tacky and insensitive. Investigations should be handled by the police (with or without the help of psychics), not farted around with on reality TV. I sincerely hope Falconio's family wasn't watching.

Reading between the lines... *ahem* I would say that the main source of your gripes about Shé stem from the fact that psi can be frustratingly subtle. I've tried medical intuition before, and getting a fix on the problem - or even who has it - can be pretty tricky. I got the impression of a heart problem, and thought it was my grandfather. Turns out it was me.

I said before that I was willing to admit that the show was done badly, not only in regards to the editing, but just about every other aspect of the show. It doesn't matter how many potential contestants were involved - for all you know the bulk of them could have been flakes.

 

[BillyJoe]

Most of which is presented with bias. It's hard to address issues that are being clouded by the insistence that no psychic is genuine.

How are the following facts biased or clouded by "the insistence that no psychic is genuine"?

- When Shé said: "you've got prostate issues", the sitter answered: "no".
- The sitter's prostaste biopsy cleared him of prostate cancer.
- The sitter had an enlarged prostate but he was older than sixty and....
- Prostate enlargement is a common health problem in men older than sixty.

A hit would have sounded something like this:
You had a biopsy for prostate cancer but the biopsy was negative and you do not have prostate cancer.

Okay?

Hard to say. I just think that the whole thing was incredibly tacky and insensitive. Investigations should be handled by the police (with or without the help of psychics), not farted around with on reality TV. I sincerely hope Falconio's family wasn't watching.

Fixed it!

Reading between the lines... *ahem* I would say that the main source of your gripes about Shé stem from the fact that psi can be frustratingly subtle.

So subtle, in fact, as to be indistinguishable from it not existing at all.

I've tried medical intuition before, and getting a fix on the problem - or even who has it - can be pretty tricky. I got the impression of a heart problem, and thought it was my grandfather. Turns out it was me.

Or it could have been your father, or your uncle, or your grandmother, or your mother, or your aunt, or the next door neighbour, or the guy at work, or.....
Get the picture?

 

[Robert Oz]

I've tried medical intuition before, and getting a fix on the problem - or even who has it - can be pretty tricky. I got the impression of a heart problem, and thought it was my grandfather. Turns out it was me.

So, in other words you predicted your grandfather had a heart problem - which turned out to be a miss - and then moved the target after it came to light that you had a heart problem. I presume if it had turned out to be anyone else in your family - or even friends - you would have assigned the prediction to them.

How is this not cold reading?

Robert.

 

[BillyJoe]

Robert,

I think we cross-posted.

BillyJoe

 

[AndyD]

Quote:
I have laid out a hell of a lot of evidence from The One. You've completely ignored all but one small piece quoted below, and you didn't even address that bit.

Most of which is presented with bias. It's hard to address issues that are being clouded by the insistence that no psychic is genuine.

Then show my bias.

All I did was explain how 80% of the readings were cut and yet all the hits were shown. That is a simple reality regardless of my opinion on psi. Admittedly it makes it easier for me to post such a fact, since it supports a skeptical viewpoint, but your job is to counter with evidence of how psi was clearly on display, not just ignore the facts (and I mean evidence, not just "it was amazing how X did "such and such"). That isn't hard unless the evidence doesn't exist or is so "frustratingly subtle" as to be indistinguishable from simple guessing.

I could have easily said it's too difficult to refute your support of the show because your pro-psychic bias was clouding the issue - but I didn't. I ignored your possible bias and laid out contrary evidence. If you can't do the same then don't blame me. Frankly, I could find more pro-psychic evidence from the show than you've put forth so far but I don't because it is so far-outweighed by contrary evidence as to be pointless for me to pursue it. But you could offer it up for discussion.

As for your heart condition, which I hope is being dealt with (preferably by a real doctor but whatever works for you is fine for you), guessing wrong then finding you would have been right if you guessed differently isn't psychic, it's just guessing. We absolutely can all do that. That's how people win Lotto. They guess and guess and guess, sometimes for decades, then one day they might win. It doesn't make them psychic. It makes them a statistic.

If my phone rings and I guess it's "John" but it's actually "James", am I psychic because it was a "J name"? What if it was "George"?

Do you see the problem? Once you start fudging the data you blur the line to the point where it's impossible to determine if it's psychic or guessing. Once we accept the statistical equivalent of simple guessing as evidence of psychic abilities then we do all become psychic because we're all capable of guessing lots of things wrong a few things right, or nearly almost right or quite wrong but similar to something else that would have been right if we'd guessed that instead.

Anyway, again, your personal experience, while interesting, is off topic for this thread. I'd prefer you refute my evidence that The One was heavily biased and that no practical examples of psychic power were exhibited.

Do you, for example, acknowledge now that guessing a man over sixty has an enlarged prostate (and she actually only said "prostate issues") doesn't make you a psychic or a medical intuitive, it makes you a statistician?

 

[devnull]

Or it could have been your father, or your uncle, or your grandmother, or your mother, or your aunt, or the next door neighbour, or the guy at work, or.....
Get the picture?

PX - please read this. Then read it again. It really is insightful. Keep reading it til you get what he's saying.

 

[Legend]

Whatever you say, pal. I'm not interested in talking to you if all you're going to do is flame me.

Sorry Captain Sensitive. Now, I appreciate the fact that you probably struggle to find friends in the real world, but like I said before, don't call me pal.

If you don't want to speak to me, fine, but, "I'm entitled to my views" and "if you don't like it, too bad".

And if you don't want to speak to me, how about you reply properly to some of the really good and surprisingly simple answers to the amazing abilities of the charlatans psychics, which others are making.

Most of which is presented with bias. It's hard to address issues that are being clouded by the insistence that no psychic is genuine.

What a pathetic excuse. This is ridiculous, it's like arguing with a champion dodgeballer. You should be a politician.

ETA: HAHAHA! I typed your strange name into Google, PX. You wouldn't happen to be a Star Trek fan...would you? Go forth and prosper! I bet you're real cool.

 

[AndyD]

I think I've asked before but now I'm frustrated and need an answer to the question of just how many "psychics" took part in the Falconio "game"?

Only three contestants were televised but various reports suggest up to seven (eight?) took part.

"But that had a chance to change recently when seven psychics set out to hunt for his remains
....
Accompanied by an eight-member crew, the psychics spent three days around Barrow Creek last week in an attempt to contact Falconio’s spirit."
{Tenant & District Times}

Other reports says five (or more) took part:

"About 15 production members and five psychics spent three days determined to connect with the 'spirit' of Peter Falconio.

Roadhouse employee Geoff Grant, 43, said they flew in and out of Barrow Creek by helicopter. "They were having seances out there," he said. "The lady I spoke to was a psychic. She said they were trying to contact him."
{TV Tonight}

"He says a production crew of 15, which included between five and eight psychics, stayed in Ti-Tree and flew in and out of Barrow Creek by helicopter for three days."
{ABC News}

"The crew included a group of five psychics determined to connect with the 'spirit' of Peter Falconio."
{Northern Territory News}

Does anyone know the answer? Was the segment filmed prior to all or some of the studio tapings?

If it turns out all seven, or even five, took part in the search then we have another example Seven not showing how bad the result really was. Perhaps more concerning is that the contestants were apparently talking to locals so some of what they "saw" in their "visions", like the dam, could just as easily have come from things they were told about the area.

 

[BillyJoe]

Send Richard a PM. He would probably know.

 

[friendofandymilman]

AndyD, I can confirm, with Richard's assurance, there were only three who took part in the Falconio disgrace. Ezio, Amanda and Charmaine.

 

[friendofandymilman]

And it was filmed in sequence, so near the end of the series.

 

[Legend]

Sorry Captain Sensitive. Now, I appreciate the fact that you probably struggle to find friends in the real world, but like I said before, don't call me pal.

If you don't want to speak to me, fine, but, "I'm entitled to my views" and "if you don't like it, too bad".

And if you don't want to speak to me, how about you reply properly to some of the really good and surprisingly simple answers to the amazing abilities of the charlatans psychics, which others are making.



What a pathetic excuse. This is ridiculous, it's like arguing with a champion dodgeballer. You should be a politician.

ETA: HAHAHA! I typed your strange name into Google, PX. You wouldn't happen to be a Star Trek fan...would you? Go forth and prosper! I bet you're real cool.

Three things.

Should actually be "Live long and prosper" but you get the picture. I was too busy laughing.

Shouldn't be "Captain Sensitive" it should be, "Captain Kirk".

And also, I noticed, you're from the "Delta Quadrant"...

O

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Alex.

 

[Perihelion Xanateris]

You're laughing at my choice of fandom? Pretty lame, pal.

I'll take that to mean you've run out of arguments and therefore no longer have anything valuable to contribute to this thread. In that case, would you kindly **** off?

 

[AndyD]

AndyD, I can confirm, with Richard's assurance, there were only three who took part in the Falconio disgrace. Ezio, Amanda and Charmaine.

Thanks foam. News reports appeared as early as July 4 and studio taping apparently concluded on July 6. So, I guess there was at least a week between taping episodes four and five during which time the "game" took place?

PX.

It's rather frustrating to try and engage you in intelligent discussion only to find that on your return here, you ignore several members who have directly addressed your comments and you focus, instead, on the insults from one forum member.

 

[Legend]

Thankyou for your reply, Spock.

Why should I contribute to this "discussion" when all you'd do is ignore everything and see it from your ridiculously bias perspective. SO bias to the extent that you think we're bias.

People like AndyD who have spent a long time gathering a proper argument based on literal and factual evidence are ignored and replied to by, "you're so bias I can't understand you." But I'm the lame one?

Don't say I've run out of arguments, you haven't said anything half decent so please do not at all be so hypocritical as to say that.

Mind you, I do understand where you're coming from (Delta Quadrant, obviously...). I haven't really said anything to you other than make fun of you. However, most of what I want to say, has been said.

When you make a point that an educated person over 6 years of age would make, and not a toothless Star Trek fan, I'd like to reply. I should probably stop "insulting" you and just stick to the points. But, like I've said, you don't stick to the points, so why should I?

I'll try...

This is an edit to say that I apologise for getting in the way of other people's valid points, such as AndyD. I hope that I can be a little more mature, but my frustration is overflowing.

Alex.

 

[nettiemoore]

The other couple of psychics in those newspaper reports AndyD might have been Simon Turnbull and the other (I think there was one other) "psychic consultants" and contestant wranglers who were always around.

 

[AndyD]

Ahh, excellent point nettiemoore. Thanks.

 

[friendofandymilman]

Richard on the tele in Australia

If you are in Australia, you can catch Richard on channel 9 next Sunday (August 31st) at 8.30 pm in his final role as a extra, before he shot to fame in The One.

Channel 9 is screening "Scorched", a telemovie about Sydney burning and Richard plays a fire chief and fighter. He has a reasonably big role, so keep your eyes peeled!

I have photos from the set to help you identify him, posted on his Facebook fan page. I (still) can't post urls, so google Richard Saunders Fans if you are not already a member. Scroll down to photos - they are the first 5.

 

[Legend]

I hate you Richard. Hahaha!

You're good at so many different things! It's awesome.

I'll be watching.

Alex.

 

[ttguy]

So I am editing up some You Tube vids on The One and was a bit intrigued by the Ned Kelly psychic body location bit in ep 3. I must say that I disagree with Richard that the spots choosen by the contestants were random.

My theory on this is that our contestants did research. They had at least one day where they knew what they were going to be asked to do. I did a half an hour of research on the internet and found a video of the Ned Kelly Pentridge Gaol dig on reuters. This video has a clear shot of the location of the dig. If I were a consestant I would have tried to find out whe location of the dig.

Check out my youtube vide on this titled "Not The One - Not So Very Psychic Ep3p3v2" on thettguy channel.

Screen shot from reuters vid published mar 9 2008