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Andy D,

Do you know the work of Lynne Kelly? She is an expert cold reader/sceptic, who could easily be a contestant.

From her website: lynnekelly.com.au

She would however Lynne Kelly suffers from something little known to some "psychics" out there. It's call ethics. Lynne will never knowingly fool people like that. She is up front right from the start and tells her audience she is not real.

If some so-called "psychics" want to lie their heads off, that's up to them. Let us skeptics keep telling the truth.
 
I guess, what I was trying to say is that any type of series that went through the methods of how psychics and similar do their magical demonstrations would attract great imterest in my opinion.

Not any type of humiliation, although this would work if it wasn't overboard, such as there was a fimled session with a psychic whose subject was told to continually agree to everything the psychic said (just a meagre example).

I had a dream last night that Channel Ten had a TV show that went on at 7:30 on Wednesday, so it was the day after "The One" that debunked psychic methods. I like it!

Anyways,
Alex.
 
There is a video somewhere of 7 people who had written readings done for them and who claimed the readings were from 50 to 95% correct. When they exchanged readings at the end they realised they'd all recieved exactly the same reading. The "psychic" had prepared them 2 weeks before even setting eyes on them.

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I just put myself through the pain of listening to part of the Ezio Deangelis interview on ghostradio.com. He goes on and on about the look on Richard's face in ep 2 after he had completed a fairly unspectacular psychometry reading. I was intrigued, so I went to the clip and I have to say, Richard looks pained and uncomfortable to me. Like he's just remembered he left the iron on. Or his lunch is repeating on him.

I am not allowed to post urls yet, so to see the clip, go to YouTube and search for ParanorRUs channel. It's episode 2, part 2 of 5.

The "face" appears at ~ 5 min, 55 secs.

I assume, from their reaction, that this was interpreted as a affirmation of a great read. I am baffled.

If anyone cares to view the clip and can explain to me why the woo-proponents are so excited by Richard's pained expression, I would love to hear from you.
 
Perhaps Richard knew the sitter was the friend of a skeptic? William Brougham (the sitter's skeptical friend) reveals more about that reading here
 
Perhaps Richard knew the sitter was the friend of a skeptic? William Brougham (the sitter's skeptical friend) reveals more about that reading here

Richard was concentrating on the reading, that's it and that's all. At no stage whatsoever did I think "oh.. that must be paranormal."
 
Richard was concentrating on the reading, that's it and that's all. At no stage whatsoever did I think "oh.. that must be paranormal."

What???!!! Not even when Jason spread his arms and perceived an eighty year old woman had hip issues and knitted?

What about when she said "no" to both? That surely wasn't "normal" :)
 
I'm not from australia but I've read this whole thread.

So who won?

Did they actually give one of these people money after the horrible job they all did?
 
Charmaine Wilson won. No money involved - just the title of "Australia's most gifted psychic." Oh, and she's now embarking on a national tour.

Her demonstrations were no better than anyone else's but toward the end it seemed the editing was a little friendlier for her. The show was essentially an advertisement for the Australian Psychics Association.
 
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Charmaine Wilson won. No money involved - just the title of "Australia's most gifted psychic." Oh, and she's now embarking on a national tour.

Well, she's certainly playing all the "classy" venues. I haven't seen Melbourne Arts Centre on her tour schedule, but have no doubt that it will be added any day now.

Chris
 
I have only met Lynne Kelly once, and she was an absolute delight. She has written a wonderful book called 'The Skeptics Guide To The Paranormal' which I believe is available from Amazon. Still not allowed to post links, so you'll have to search for it yourselves. Sorry!

Chris
 
Get yourself over to the Humour and Community forums and post in some more threads then!! Right now! Go on! What are you waiting for?
 
Is that serious advice, or were you making a joke? :boggled:

I didn't want to be one of those guys who posted for the sake of posting to get through to the restricted features of the forum. Sorry if it came off that way.

Cheers,

Chris
 
Hey! That was my fifteenth post.

So, since you're here anyway, why don't you all visit my website at www... ;)

Chris
 
Is that serious advice, or were you making a joke? :boggled:

I didn't want to be one of those guys who posted for the sake of posting to get through to the restricted features of the forum. Sorry if it came off that way.

Cheers,

Chris

Yeah, those guys are wimps. I post for the sake of posting just 'cause I like the sound of my own typing. That, and I'm trying to catch up to arthwollipot's post-count. Anyway, welcome!

ETA: Oops. Sorry for the off-topic banter. I got mixed up and thought I was in the Welcome thread when I posted this.:o
 
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Thank you. I might let others make comments, others skeptics who were in the audience. We have finished the final show now, just back home from it. I can tell you that I stayed friendly but did not let my guard down. Skeptics in the media do not get a good run, but I hope with this show many, many people will hear me and the points I make. I won't change the mind of the believers, no one can do that, but I know I will reach those on the fence as it were.

Correction: Impossible/unreasonable skeptics don't get a good run, for obvious reasons.

Part of me wants to believe you've experienced at least some small paradigm shift, but reading this thread has crushed any such hope. You're as bad as Randi.

I'm willing to admit that the show wasn't done well, but accusing the producers of slanting things in the psychics' favour is going a bit far. They did, after all, show some of the misses - the first test in particular showed only two of the contestants successfully completing the task in the allotted time, the rest failed, two others failed miserably.

How I would have done the first test: there would be the requisite control group, made up of army and/or civilian rescue personnel with sniffer dogs and GPS transponders. The second group would be skeptics, armed with only a map of the area. Then there would be the psychics, each acting individually, and actually having the camera on their person rather than having a cameraman nearby (eg a helmet cam).

The second test (paranormal freestyle): Get the skeptics up there to do some cold reading and see how they compare.

I agree that the whole Peter Falconio thing was unforgivably tacky and whoever came up with it deserves to be soundly bitchslapped. BUT - don't forget that there are psychics out there who do find missing people, who do solve crimes and are valued police resources in their community. It's just the flakes and charlatans who overshadow the good ones and make the whole thing look fake.

What bugs me, Richard, is that in the end you, like Randi, ignored the hits and focussed exclusively on the misses. Never mind that Shé D'Montford aced the first test (that woman absolutely blew me away),
and successfully identified a man with a specific medical problem in an audience full of complete strangers. Never mind that, let's all just ignore the evidence - however scant it may be - and dismiss it all as tricks and woo. :mad:

No wonder Stacey Demarco started yelling; the poor woman must have been at the end of her rope with you.
 
...accusing the producers of slanting things in the psychics' favour is going a bit far.


How is it unreasonable to accuse the producers of biased editing if we have confirmed that the psychics were given five and ten minutes to read the audience and only one minute made it to screen? How is it that multiple members of the audience were read in the final episode, but only a small segment of one reading was put to air? How is it that twenty medical readings were conducted, but seven were completely cut from the final edit?

She D'Montford found the boy in three minutes, but was kicked off the show very early for her poor performances in the other tests. Isn't it reasonable to assume she made a lucky guess with the boy?

How I would have done the first test: there would be the requisite control group, made up of army and/or civilian rescue personnel with sniffer dogs and GPS transponders. The second group would be skeptics, armed with only a map of the area. Then there would be the psychics, each acting individually, and actually having the camera on their person rather than having a cameraman nearby (eg a helmet cam).

This is very good protocol! I would love to see this test. I think the control group of skeptics would perform similarly to the psychics (two out of seven isn't unreasonable). Also, do you honestly think sniffer dogs would have trouble finding a boy in fifteen minutes in an area that only took six or seven minutes to cross on foot?

The second test (paranormal freestyle): Get the skeptics up there to do some cold reading and see how they compare.

There are many good cold readers who do not claim to be psychic and yet get a 90 - 99% accuracy in their televised readings (according to the sitters). If you can get a copy, read Ian Rowland's 'The Full Facts Book of Cold Reading', in it he describes televised appearances where he got this sort of accuracy, but admits that there is nothing psychic to it.

Also, you can't just take anyone and say, 'Okay, cold read and let's see how good you are." I am horrible at playing tennis, but I recognise tennis when it is being played. I can't play the piano, but I recognise when a piano is being played. I can't make the Statue of Liberty disappear, but I recognise the David Copperfield illusion as an illusion. Similarly, I recognise cold reading, but haven't the experience or practice to pull it off as well as someone who has been doing it for years.

BUT - don't forget that there are psychics out there who do find missing people, who do solve crimes and are valued police resources in their community.


Please provide evidence of a psychic successfully finding a missing person (other than the psychic saying so). Where has a police department announced the successful closing of a case based on a psychic's help?

Robert.
 
I'm willing to admit that the show wasn't done well, but accusing the producers of slanting things in the psychics' favour is going a bit far.

The most glaring example of bias, and one which doesn't require any insider knowledge (ie, you didn't have to be there) was Ezio's speed reading in episode three.

He had five minutes to read an audience member. He chose a woman and started reading. He got no hits in the first minute shown. Then he switched to the woman beside her. This woman announced that most of the previous guesses applied to her. Ezio read this woman for one minute (we see the timer count down to zero). He rattled off a bunch of the previous guesses again, scoring hit after hit - but they weren't hits at all because she'd basically told him they already applied to her.

That, however, is not the bias. The bias comes from the missing three minutes where he continued to read the first woman without scoring a single hit.

So, the reality was:

4 minutes NO HITS
1 minute SOME HITS (many not true hits due to priming)

What the TV audience saw was:

1 minute NO HITS
1 minute SOME HITS (many not true hits due to priming)

So, we saw a 50/50 Miss/Hit rate. The reality was 80/20 Miss/Hit. We also saw the second woman exclaiming her delight at Ezio's precision. I don't know if the first woman was interviewed, but if she was, we didn't get to see her comment on the overwhelming lack of relevance his guesses had to her life.

If that isn't "slanting things in the psychics favour" then I look forward to finding out what it is. And before you use the argument that his reading was accurate but his choice of audience member wasn't (ie, he was channelling for the second woman the whole time before he realised - AKA the "Charmaine Wilson Defence") can I add that a lot of what he said also applied to my wife!

But, even without this evidence, we can see that every contestant was declared to be psychic before the show even aired and that one of them, despite mountains of evidence to the contrary, was declared Australia's most gifted psychic. So much for impartiality.
 
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