New Thread about Obama, Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn

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Hmmm, looks like the old "Will Obama's Association with Bill Ayers Scuttle His Candidacy" thread has vanished into the mists (along with lots of other old posts from this subforum). Stanley Kurtz has an update on his attempt to research the Obama-Ayers association on the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, which Obama and Ayers were involved in together.

With Obama heading up the board and Ayers heading up the other key operating body of the Annenberg Challenge, the two would necessarily have had a close working relationship for years (therefore “exchanging ideas on a regular basis”). So when Ayers and Dorhn hosted that kickoff for the first Obama campaign, it was not a random happenstance, but merely further evidence of a close and ongoing political partnership. Of course, all of this clearly contradicts Obama’s dismissal of the significance of his relationship with Ayers.

Kurtz found that the records of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge (CAC) were being held at the University of Illinois, Chicago campus, and set up an appointment to review them. But:

Just before my plane took off, I received an e-mail from the special-collections librarian informing me that she had “checked our collection file” and determined that “access to the collection is closed.” I would be permitted to view the single CAC-related file from the Office of the Chancellor records, but nothing from the CAC records proper. I quickly wrote back, expressing surprise and disappointment. I noted that I had arranged my trip based on the library’s assurances of access, and followed up with questions about whether access was being denied because I was unaffiliated with UIC. I also asked who had authority over access to the collection, suggesting that I might be able to contact them and request permission to view it.

Backgrounder on Ayers and Obama's association with the CAC is here.
 
I'll admit that I haven't had time to read the whole thing yet, but is the thrust of this blog post that Obama may have been unduly influenced by Ayers' dangerous and radical education reform ideas?

(can you even have dangerous and radical education reform ideas, short of replacing science with mythology?)
 
I'll admit that I haven't had time to read the whole thing yet, but is the thrust of this blog post that Obama may have been unduly influenced by Ayers' dangerous and radical education reform ideas?

No, the thrust of the article is contained in the first couple paragraphs:

The problem of Barack Obama’s relationship with Bill Ayers will not go away. Ayers and his wife, Bernardine Dohrn were terrorists for the notorious Weather Underground during the turbulent 1960s, turning fugitive when a bomb — designed to kill army officers in New Jersey — accidentally exploded in a New York townhouse. Prior to that, Ayers and his cohorts succeeded in bombing the Pentagon. Ayers and Dohrn remain unrepentant for their terrorist past. Ayers was pictured in a 2001 article for Chicago magazine, stomping on an American flag, and told the New York Times just before 9/11 that the notion of the United States as a just and fair and decent place “makes me want to puke.” Although Obama actually launched his political career at an event at Ayers’s and Dohrn’s home, Obama has dismissed Ayers as just “a guy who lives in my neighborhood,” and “not somebody who I exchange ideas from on a regular basis.” For his part, Ayers refuses to discuss his relationship with Obama.

Although the press has been notably lax about pursuing the matter, the full story of the Obama-Ayers relationship calls the truth of Obama’s account seriously into question. When Obama made his first run for political office, articles in both the Chicago Defender and the Hyde Park Herald featured among his qualifications his position as chairman of the board of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, a foundation where Ayers was a founder and guiding force. Obama assumed the Annenberg board chairmanship only months before his first run for office, and almost certainly received the job at the behest of Bill Ayers. During Obama’s time as Annenberg board chairman, Ayers’s own education projects received substantial funding. Indeed, during its first year, the Chicago Annenberg Challenge struggled with significant concerns about possible conflicts of interest. With a writ to aid Chicago’s public schools, the Annenberg challenge played a deeply political role in Chicago’s education wars, and as Annenberg board chairman, Obama clearly aligned himself with Ayers’s radical views on education issues. With Obama heading up the board and Ayers heading up the other key operating body of the Annenberg Challenge, the two would necessarily have had a close working relationship for years (therefore “exchanging ideas on a regular basis”). So when Ayers and Dorhn hosted that kickoff for the first Obama campaign, it was not a random happenstance, but merely further evidence of a close and ongoing political partnership. Of course, all of this clearly contradicts Obama’s dismissal of the significance of his relationship with Ayers.
 
I'll admit that I haven't had time to read the whole thing yet, but is the thrust of this blog post that Obama may have been unduly influenced by Ayers' dangerous and radical education reform ideas?

(can you even have dangerous and radical education reform ideas, short of replacing science with mythology?)

Here's an article about Ayers' education ideas from a few years back, written well before he was an issue in this campaign:

One of his several books on the moral imperative of teaching for social justice is a bestseller in ed-school courses. Like many other tenured and well-heeled radicals, Ayers keeps hoping for a revolutionary upheaval that will finally bring down American capitalism and imperialism. But now, instead of planting bombs in bathrooms, he has been planting the seeds of resistance and rebellion in America’s future teachers, who will then pass on the lessons to the students in their classrooms.

Ayers has been putting out a series of suggested textbooks for use, including one on science.

Teaching science for social justice? Let Teachers College professor Angela Calabrese Barton, the volume’s principal author, try to explain: “The marriages between capitalism and education and capitalism and science have created a foundation for science education that emphasizes corporate values at the expense of social justice and human dignity.” The alternative? “Science pedagogy framed around social justice concerns can become a medium to transform individuals, schools, communities, the environment, and science itself, in ways that promote equity and social justice. Creating a science education that is transformative implies not only how science is a political activity but also the ways in which students might see and use science and science education in ways transformative of the institutional and interpersonal power structures that play a role in their lives.”

Or how about this example from a math teacher:

One lesson, for example, presents charts showing the U.S. income distribution, aiming to get the students to understand the concept of percentages and fractions, while simultaneously showing them how much wealth is concentrated at the top in an economic system that mainly benefits the superrich. After the class does the mathematical calculations, Gutstein asks: “How does all this make you feel?” He triumphantly reports that 19 of 21 students described wealth distribution in America as “bad,” “unfair,” or “shocking,” and he proudly quotes the comments of a child named Rosa: “Well I see that all the wealth in the United States is mostly the wealth of a couple people not the whole nation.”

Of course, the real question should be did they get the math concepts, not whether they picked up some Marxist notions about redistribution of the wealth.
 
Is this neccessarily dumbing-down education? I would like to see the math that makes piddle-down or Friedmanite ecconomics work.

Social science and history have been taken out of our education system already, to our detriment.
 
I saw a lot of words, not educational plans :p .

"Well, the social pedegogy of hegemony in the superstructure of the class conflict blah, blah, blah capitalism."

Though I will say that income distribution is a great concept to look at when doing statistical analysis, and I think more people need to be aware of what it is (not for wealth redistribution reasons, but because I get the feeling that people tend to think the peak in frequency is skewed far higher than it actually is).
 
Is there any school district in the country that actually uses these textbooks?
 
Is there any school district in the country that actually uses these textbooks?

The textbooks are not high school textbooks, they are Ed School textbooks, and yes, they are being used:

Though no one has as yet surveyed how far social justice teaching has pervaded America’s 1,500 ed schools, education researchers David Steiner (now Hunter College ed-school dean) and Susan Rozen did a study two years ago on the syllabi of the basic “foundations of education” and “methods” courses in 16 of the nation’s most prestigious ed schools. The mainstays of the foundations courses were works by Paolo Freire, Henry Giroux (a leading critical pedagogy theorist), and the radical education writer Jonathan Kozol (“America’s Most Influential—and Wrongest—School Reformer,” Winter 2000). For the methods courses, Bill Ayers’s To Teach: The Journey of a Teacher tops the bestseller list. Neither list included advocates of a knowledge-based and politically neutral curriculum, such as E. D. Hirsch Jr. or Diane Ravitch.
 
The news apparently is that 'politicians work with many figures in their professional capacity, and their ability to do their job is based on the quality of their work, not the number of people they manage to impress with their idealistic refusal to work with others.'

Get back to me when we have bills Obama sponsored on the basis of this philosophy, or something material. You know, more than "was once professional colleges with someone well-liked by the Mayor of Chicago and important in political circles."
 
Ever get a job from a poor person lefty?

Ever seen a dime from a trickle?

Trickle down is such a horrible idea. "Maybe if we give all this money to rich people, it will go to poor people."
 
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