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Bigfoot - The Patterson-Gimlin Film

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That U$499 costume... I wonder what would be its IM. Inhuman, for sure. Perhaps its not a suit, after all. And if its fingers move...

And don't forget- Imaginary creatures can be whatever you want. Marsupials, interdimensional aliens, paranormal shapeshifters, pongids, costumes whose tech would be too advanced for the late 60's, etc.
 
LAL said:
I think you're over-generalizing. I don't have time or inclination to follow other boards, but I asked someone who keeps tabs on them. He said the overall view was that it's a hoax. Maybe he was over-generalizing. In moderating MABRC I only saw about two posts that were favorable and that was before the pictures showed up on Cryptomondo. One retracted quickly.
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I'm only talking about the BFF (although Cryptomundo would apply as well). Perhaps a fellow JREFer who has a BFF account would be kind enough to post the parts of that poll for me?

The Elkins Creek (Latitude: 325813N Longitude: 0843138W) cast is one Jimmy Chilcutt found compelling. Since it was taken in mud "dessication ridges" doesn't work on that one.
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You'd probably want to DesertYeti about that cast.

Did you see Meldrum's interview with SciAm.com?
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Yes. I especially enjoyed the part where he inadvertainly crapped all over the Minnesota Iceman when he made his comment on freezing something in a block of ice.

Gimlin? You mean Green about the weight shift?
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Yeah. Freudian slip on my part.

I don't agree that even a modern $499 suit would do the trick. If Roger had had a steady job he might have had the means to buy a suit,
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He certainly had $700 from the Radford deal.

HorrorDome has said the GG looks like their suit, but I haven't seen where they produced records of a sale.
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There's also the possiblity that someone resold the suit to the Georgia boys.
 
Steve Kulls will be on http://www.blogtalkradio.com/TheSquatchdetective
tonight discussing the hoax. Tom Biscardi paid his way to the "undisclosed location" then stranded him there. Maybe Steve will clarify just what was used, off-the-shelf suit (possibly stuffed with animal parts to give scent and bones), mask tacked to a bear hide, other.

Forker et al scooped him last night on blog radio. It was mentioned that several people found the photo on the Internet. Sorry, William; they didn't give you credit.

I got into a conversation with an apparently normal couple as I was about to leave work last night. I suppose I could be accused of giving a lecture, but they were at least interested enough to check it out for themselves. Some people find it intriguing that we may have an unidentified large primate living in North America. Inquiring minds want to know, Kitekaze.

Hopefully this is the end of Tom Biscardi's "career". Hopefully no one will take him seriously ever, ever again. Word is his own team is through with him.

Life goes on.
 
AtomicMysteryMonster said:
I'm only talking about the BFF (although Cryptomundo would apply as well). Perhaps a fellow JREFer who has a BFF account would be kind enough to post the parts of that poll for me?
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I saw it. It's not ethical for me to repost without permission, but I'm sure SG would be happy to oblige. Maybe he'll include some quotes from the thread Paul started since he posted on it (I have him filtered on BFF so I don't know what he said). I didn't see anything indicating anyone thought it was other than a hoax. They were pretty rough on those guys.

Steve Kulls, BTW, has his own organization and is a member of a couple of others. Interesting the definitive bust came from a proponent and not from a skeptic.

Kinda makes you think of Piltdown Man, doesn't it?

The MIM was supposedly originally frozen, in ice according to the Asian version, frozen on its face in the Wisconsin version). I'm not sure they had frost-free freezers back then. ;) It may have been received that way. Hansen claimed he thawed it and the model he had made and did some rearranging. Since the original disappeared there's no way now to determine with certainty whether it was a hoax or not. If it was, it was certainly better than the Georgia Gorilla. Dyer and Whitton should have read further, IMO.

I think Jeff's point was that in this day and age of improved freezers there'd be no need for a block of ice, unless a person was trying to obscure detail.

Why should I talk to Desertyeti? We duked it out on two boards over the Skookum cast; I'm not sure we're speaking anymore. I'd rather see him do battle with Jimmy Chilcutt.
 
" 5) Bossburg "Cripple Foot" (seen by no one but Grover Krantz and Ed Palma)."

Nope. Michael Dennett said in one of his articles he saw them (faintly) on Dahinden's originals, too, right where Ed Palma said they were.

Also, the human fingerprints on one of the other casts were just in the toe area, "touched up" before casting apparently. The rest of the cast showed the same ridge flow and ridge pattern.

Funny how these "casting artifacts" seem to match each other, isn't it?
 
Diogenes said:
Discussing the PGF hoax ?

Never mind, you appear to be lost again ...

By the way, Autumn Williams did give WP proper credit ...
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Just where did she do that? I've read the newsletter and most of the relevant articles on her site. I must have missed that.

Without evidence that a HorrorDome suit was used in the hoax, it's just conjecture anyway. The Georgia guys could have been inspired by the suit or by reports and made their own.

The PGF has not been shown to be a hoax.

You appear to be as acid as ever. Take something for it.
 
And you appear to be as obtuse as ever.. Miss me ?

You should drop by more often, we don't get as much nonsense to pick apart as we used to ..

If you read Autumn's account of the GA fiasco, you will find where she gave WP credit ..
I couldn't care less if you take my word for it..




This is the PGF hoax - urrh Umm.. film, thread - the Ga hoax is over here..

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=119251

I copied your post over there ...
 
LAL said:
The PGF has not been shown to be a hoax.
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Footer Gospel. Say three times to pillow before sleep, repeat.

I posit that the people who still believe the PGF to be real and know what we know here are in such willful denial as to negate any effort to alleviate the condition. Hopeless, I believe the word is.

BTW, nice to see you still swinging, Lu. I wish someone would put some bricks in your purse. ;)
 
Diogenes said:
And you appear to be as obtuse as ever.. Miss me ?

You should drop by more often, we don't get as much nonsense to pick apart as we used to ..

If you read Autumn's account of the GA fiasco, you will find where she gave WP credit ..
I couldn't care less if you take my word for it..




This is the PGF hoax - urrh Umm.. film, thread - the Ga hoax is over here..

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=119251

I copied your post over there ...
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Since the GG hoax has been used to indicate the public, whoever they are, will assume the PGF was the first hoax it's somewhat relevant. This thread has wandered from the topic many times; what's special about this time? My time is limited and I have no intention of following my post to another thread. Thanks for doing that without my permission.

It will be interesting to find out the details on just what was used, I suppose, but other than that it's a done deal.

I haven't missed you and I have no idea why you aren't still on filter here.

I'll be ordering Chris' new book (in hardcover and color) tonight. Hopefully he's included Roger Knight's excellent dissection of every point Greg Long made along with the interviews with recanting BH supporters. Should be a good read.

I see you're still on with the ad hominens, or in this case, ad feminines. I am not now and never have been obtuse. You seem to be one of two people in the world who think that and you've done it to death. Why don't you try something new, like "well read" or "bitchy"?

Note others got credit too:

"A number of people began discussing, almost immediately, the amazing similarites (see pic - kudos to Crow Logic, Parcher at JREF Forums, Reverend Strone and plaidlemur) between the "corpse" and a high-end bigfoot costume available on the internet via thehorrordome.com."

Her link goes to BFF :

http://www.bigfootforums.com/index.php?showtopic=23171&st=1540&p=473132&#entry473132

Reverend Strone is a MABRC member as well. It may surprise you to learn we're not all gullible fools.

Starting from a position of "these animals don't exist, therefore all the evidence is manufactured or misidentified" is just as ridiculous as assuming it's all real.
 
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"A number of people began discussing, almost immediately, the amazing similarites (see pic - kudos to Crow Logic, Parcher at JREF Forums, Reverend Strone and plaidlemur) between the "corpse" and a high-end bigfoot costume available on the internet via thehorrordome.com."
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The time stamps are there for anyone to see.. The fact that the connection was made by WP at JREF first, seems to stick in the craw of a lot of footers
.. Can I help you with the Heimlich maneuver ?

I'm sure any number of astute people on either side would have made the connection sooner or later, but WP made it first; and the only connection Crow made, was to read WP's post here, and run with it to BFF as if it were his own; from there it spread quickly to the BFRO and elsewhere ..
 
LTC8K6 said:
The PGF is a hoax until shown to be real.

Jimmy Chilcutt? I thought he gave up in embarrassment.
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Nope. He went back to chasing bad guys.

He still stands by his conclusions based on what he saw.
 
kitakaze said:
Footer Gospel. Say three times to pillow before sleep, repeat.

I posit that the people who still believe the PGF to be real and know what we know here are in such willful denial as to negate any effort to alleviate the condition. Hopeless, I believe the word is.

BTW, nice to see you still swinging, Lu. I wish someone would put some bricks in your purse. ;)
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Me too.

I just lost a lengthy reply to you which I'll have to reconstruct later.

Now I remember why I left this glitchy board. It wasn't just the posters.
 
LAL said:
I just lost a lengthy reply to you which I'll have to reconstruct later.
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I absolutely seethingly abhor that. It hasn't happened to me often but it happened to me in a recent big post for Sweaty discerning proof and reliable evidence. Let me guess, you finished the post, didn't copy it, hit submit, signed back in, and got a blank page except for a timed out error message. You then tried to back up and it was gone. Copy, copy, copy.

BTW, quick question. How many Bigfoot enthusiasts that are also Christian ministers, reverends, etc do you know of?
 
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