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I can't see why they bother with the "Flight 93" conspiracy.

1337m4n said:
Found another example for ya Red:

[qimg]http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2006/08/23/world/23plane.1_600x272.jpg[/qimg]
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Thank you for providing an example of a plane crash. It looks nothing like the ditch in Shanksville. See the engine off to the side? See all the dispersed plane material? See how big the crash zone is?
 
So why do you not believe them when they said that they handled the plane debris and pieces of people?
 
TheRedWorm said:
So why do you not believe them when they said that they handled the plane debris and pieces of people?
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why dont you belive the ppl that reported Explosions and think it was explosives?

why dont you belive withnesses that saw the plane on the northside of Citgo?
 
Those are questions for another thread. Please bump those, and I will be happy to answer.
 
TheRedWorm said:
So why do you not believe them when they said that they handled the plane debris and pieces of people?
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It's not a matter of believing them. If you look at an empty ditch and someone says a plane crashed there, it's natural to ask where the pieces are.
 
WTF are you talking about? The people who were there that handled to plane and people, why do you not believe that they did?
 
TheRedWorm said:
WTF are you talking about? The people who were there that handled to plane and people, why do you not believe that they did?
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Please post quotes of people saying they handled "the plane." From what I've read of the quotes, most of them describe very small pieces of metal scattered around, described much like the scrap in the scrapyard a half mile away.
 
And when they recovered jet engines, is it not a fair assumption to make that the pieces of metal recovered were from a plane? And you didn't address the issue of body pieces.
 
I've contacted United Airlines about the wreckage and received a couple of responses. The latest (today) is that they are forwarding my message to corporate public relations and to the finance arm of United who ultimately would have taken possession. For all it's worth the customer service rep who contacted me seems to think they still have it and is being stored for possible inclusion in a memorial.

I'll let everyone know what I find out.
 
RedIbis said:
Thank you for providing an example of a plane crash. It looks nothing like the ditch in Shanksville. See the engine off to the side? See all the dispersed plane material? See how big the crash zone is?
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Did you see this engine red?
LINK

And what the hell happened to this plane?
Here's the press release for you even...


Oh... and what caused this?
LINK

Red... between the everglades crash and the above the viewable amounts of debris isn't suitable evidence to argue whether or not a plane crashed at a site. If I went by your standards I'd have considered the Everglades valujet crash a conspiracy long ago... the same for the above other examples.
 
RedIbis said:
Without questioning anyone's sincerity, reporting evidence is not the same as evidence.
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RedIbis said:
No, I'm making the distinction between physical evidence and eyewitness testimony.
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RedIbis said:
It's not a matter of believing them. If you look at an empty ditch and someone says a plane crashed there, it's natural to ask where the pieces are.
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Unbelievable.

So nothing short of pictures of shredded human flesh would satisfy you?

The testimonies of career pathologists and forensic experts isn't evidence to you?

Gravy's links are full of their statements, and surely you can contact them to alleviate your doubts.

Other than that you'll never going to get the pictures you need, you're just asking for the impossible. They are just not going to make these pictures public, unless you ask them.
 
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RedIbis said:
Please post quotes of people saying they handled "the plane." From what I've read of the quotes, most of them describe very small pieces of metal scattered around, described much like the scrap in the scrapyard a half mile away.
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Aircraft engines are small scrap parts Red?

The scrap yard half a mile away had those sitting around did it?

Where did the passengers body parts and DNA come from?

FDR and CVR small scrap parts as well eh?
 
funk de fino said:
Where did the passengers body parts and DNA come from?
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Red rejects the forensic experts' testimonies because to him it's just "eyewitness testimony"... :boggled:

RedIbis said:
Without questioning anyone's sincerity, reporting evidence is not the same as evidence.
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RedIbis said:
No, I'm making the distinction between physical evidence and eyewitness testimony.
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RedIbis said:
It's not a matter of believing them.
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Red seems to suffer from massive cognitive dissonance.

He says both at the same time that he doesn't believe their accounts and it's not a question of believing them. :boggled:
 
RedIbis said:
Please post quotes of people saying they handled "the plane." From what I've read of the quotes, most of them describe very small pieces of metal scattered around, described much like the scrap in the scrapyard a half mile away.
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Here is quote of the guy digging out the engine of flight 93. You know Flight 93, the people who figured out 9/11 in minutes and after 6 years you are being obstinate to learn what they knew in minutes, and they took action. Sad for you, good for all that there are people who solve problems and take action!

flt93debris22sm.jpg

PW2037 engine, from Flight 93, and the passengers figure out 9/11 before Dictator Cheney did, and they took action instead of messing it up with false ideas and lies!

This could take logical thinking... Caution
 
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RedIbis said:
Thank you for providing an example of a plane crash. It looks nothing like the ditch in Shanksville. See the engine off to the side? See all the dispersed plane material? See how big the crash zone is?
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You are pathetic at research. there is junk all over the place! A 600 mph impact is big. Here is debris spread over the south of the impact! The plane was heading south when it hit.
flt93debris21sm.jpg

Why is the truth movement so dumb on aircraft impacts?
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Failure to understand 9/11 may stem from ignorance in aircraft impacts. There are trained aircraft accident investigators, the USAF has Hundreds. They could help you understand that you have no clue in this field.
 
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