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I can't see why they bother with the "Flight 93" conspiracy.

RedIbis said:
Probably just short of the maximum takeoff weight of about 100 tons. So where is 95% of that?
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So you figured out a big conspiracy theory where the plane can't be found. You have failed, failed to take this information to the authorities because the truth is, you are making it up!

You don't even know the weight of flight 93! The real weight to be recovered is 63.76 tons. - the insulation which blew away on the wind. - burnt parts.

The 60,000 pounds of fuel is gone, and the 4 tons of people, both don't count as aircraft parts.

A few people out of ignorance can't figure out where the plane is.
 
RedIbis said:
Probably just short of the maximum takeoff weight of about 100 tons. So where is 95% of that?
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United Airlines has most of it, it was given back to them. If you want to know what they did with it, you'll have to ask them.

What I would like to ask you however, and though I asked DC in another thread he could answer here as well...

What are you planning to do about what you believe? KSM is on trial for his life, don't you think that you should be sending all your evidence that 93 didn't crash as the charges claim to his defence team? How can you sleep at night knowing that an innocent man is going to be tried and put to death for something you don't belive he did and knowing that you have the evidence that could not only prevent that, but put the real villians in front of the court and that all you are doing about it is typing posts on an irrelevant website forum? Why are you still here? Why aren't you working to get him and his co-accused freed from the Bush/Cheney torture camp where they are falsely imprisoned?
 
RedIbis said:
I don't think Flight 93 crashed in that ditch in Shanksville. There just isn't enough material to account for it crashing in that location.
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So...what? Did it crash into a different ditch?

Before you answer, remember the title of the subforum we are in.
 
RedIbis said:
As for Mr. Herbert's post, what first responders I have or haven't contacted is of no relevance to this topic. You suffer from the preconception that because you disagree with my POV, I could not have possibly done outside research, including speaking with people on the scene, during 9/11. Playing the "who have you contacted" gambit is cheap and transparent.
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On the contrary, it is VERY relevant. If you had contacted any of the first responders, you would not be asking us how much of the plane was recovered because you would already know.

I assume you wish to know what happened on 9/11. I am also guessing that you find the answers of us here at JREF to be unsatisfactory. Why, then, do you not look ELSEWHERE for these answers? Say, by asking the people who actually handled the debris?

If you do not contact the first responders, it proves that you are not actually interested in learning about 9/11, and are instead just interested in trolling, in which case everybody here should be placing you on Ignore. Why should we talk to a troll? We should only be talking to the people who are genuinely interested in learning about 9/11. Are you one of those people? Yes? Then prove it.
 
RedIbis said:
Whine if I answer your posts, whine if I don't. Is this all you got?
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I believe he asked you

Pardalis said:
What about the testimonies of first responders, forensic experts and pathologists?
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The polite thing to do, when people ask you a question, is to answer them. This is no attempt at trolling or attacking you, it is a very pertinent and legitimate question: If indeed Flight 93 did not crash in Shanksville, why are all these people saying that it did? They cannot ALL be liars.
 
Found another example for ya Red:

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Source: http://travel.nytimes.com/2006/08/23/world/europe/23plane.html

For reference, an undamaged Tupolev 154 looks like this:

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Apparantly, Truthers have magic eyes that are incapable of seeing evidence that they are unable to quickly explain away.
 
I am sure this has been said many times but proving that 93 was shot down would prove that it wasn't an inside job.

Why shoot down your own remote controlled plane then cover it up?!?

:boggled:
 
lee5 said:
I am sure this has been said many times but proving that 93 was shot down would prove that it wasn't an inside job.

Why shoot down your own remote controlled plane then cover it up?!?

:boggled:
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because the passangers took back controll on the plane, and when they would manage to land, it could have exposed the full operation. so they shot it down.

who knows.
 
and the second engine? and the rest of the 95% of the wreckage that was recovered acording to the FBI?
 
Dictator Cheney said:
because the passangers took back controll on the plane, and when they would manage to land, it could have exposed the full operation. so they shot it down.

who knows.
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How could they take control of a remote-controlled plane? :confused:
 
So, you don't want to accuse them of lying, but you insinuate that they are lying. Nice.
 
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