I can't see why they bother with the "Flight 93" conspiracy.

[novice skeptic]

And as for the inevitable snarky comments about how cheesy "Let's roll!" sounds... this is America, people. Macho posturing is sort of what we do here.

I'm sorry but I don't find anything cheesy about it at all.

 

[T.A.M.]

I've checked Gravy's links and no pictures show bodies being removed from the Shanksville site.

given the quote you quoted me in says "Plane parts", what is your point.

I did not say there were photos of body parts. So now you want photographic evidence of body parts?

If there were body parts, they would likely have been small fragments of bone, and muscle, likely not even that. So I guess the crash itself, which caused the lack of body parts, is in on the CT as well? once again, rhetorical.

TAM

 

[sleahead]

Red, let's pretend for a moment that UA93 did not crash at Shanksville. Please list the minimum number of things the alleged conspirators would have to have done in order to sustain the subsequent 'official' narrative.

 

[WildCat]

RedIbis won't be contacting any of them.

Correct Red?

And you won't be contacting any of the people who were there, correct?

The RedIbis is a slippery bird... I wonder if he has a special ignore add-on so that he can't see the hard questions?

 

[njslim]

I've checked Gravy's links and no pictures show bodies being removed from the Shanksville site.

Thats because gruesome pictures of body parts are not - to spare the families - posted
in public. The police (or in this case FBI/NTSB) will photograp body parts as they are
discovered, but will not release them. I've been to plane crash site and walked the
ground marking body parts for the coroner. The invesigators took pictures of the
body parts, but did not release them. Would you want bloody pictures of the
remains of your family member out in public for people to gawk at?

Whack jobs like you make me sick.....

 

[Mr.Herbert]

bump for RED

Have you contacted any of the first responders? Please let us know.

 

[OldTigerCub]

I've checked Gravy's links and no pictures show bodies being removed from the Shanksville site.

Thats because gruesome pictures of body parts are not - to spare the families - posted
in public. The police (or in this case FBI/NTSB) will photograp body parts as they are
discovered, but will not release them. I've been to plane crash site and walked the
ground marking body parts for the coroner. The invesigators took pictures of the
body parts, but did not release them. Would you want bloody pictures of the
remains of your family member out in public for people to gawk at?

Whack jobs like you make me sick.....

I feel the same sentiment, njslim.
I have not personally been onsite at an air crash, but I did have the opportunity recently to speak with two FBI agents that work in the Pittsburgh region. One was involved with the investigation at Shanksville. Both indicated that there are copies of all of the pictures taken at the Flight 93 crash site archived at the Pittsburgh field office, but that they are not at liberty to share them with anyone not directly involved with the case without proper authorization. The same goes for pictures taken at any crime scene, especially those as sensitive as images of human remains.

 

[SDC]

Red I. is unlikely to oblige. I would like to put out his/ her use of "ditch." A word which implies a very small patch of ground.

I guess he /she is trying to move the argument away from NYC and the Pentagon, off to the wilds of Pennsylvania. That's the point.

 

[LashL]

Talk about comparing apples and fig newtons. There were thousands of people in those bldgs before the plane crashes and bldg collapses. There are photos and video of bodies being removed from GZ. Is there anything similar from Shanksville?

Well, let's do this one step at a time, then.


Step one: RedIbis, how many people do you believe died in the Twin Towers on September 11, 2001? Please be specific.

 

[Hokulele]

Thats because gruesome pictures of body parts are not - to spare the families - posted in public. The police (or in this case FBI/NTSB) will photograp body parts as they are discovered, but will not release them. I've been to plane crash site and walked the ground marking body parts for the coroner. The invesigators took pictures of the body parts, but did not release them. Would you want bloody pictures of the remains of your family member out in public for people to gawk at?

Whack jobs like you make me sick.....

QFT.

 

[beachnut]

if it makes sence or not if they shot it down or whatever happened to flight 93. it did for sure not crash in a 40° angle into the tiny crater we got presented as imprint.

Flight 93 did crash in Pennsylvania, you are wrong. The evidence makes your statement a lie.

The impact cratered of 93 is what you get when a plane hits the ground at 600 mph. Your statement is a lie.

With a course in aircraft accident investigation you could learn to identify a high speed ground impact of an aircraft. Why are you making up lies without supporting evidence.

Other high speed ground impact of aircraft, showing the big pieces.

Go talk to a trained aircraft accident investigator.

 

[LashL]

Thats because gruesome pictures of body parts are not - to spare the families - posted
in public. The police (or in this case FBI/NTSB) will photograp body parts as they are
discovered, but will not release them. I've been to plane crash site and walked the
ground marking body parts for the coroner. The invesigators took pictures of the
body parts, but did not release them. Would you want bloody pictures of the
remains of your family member out in public for people to gawk at?

Whack jobs like you make me sick.....

Agreed. I have, unfortunately, had to look at more than enough horrific crime scene photos and autopsy photos to last me a lifetime, and I can't even imagine where idiots like 9/11 "truthers" get off on thinking that such should be made publicly available. It's absolutely sickening.

 

[Arus808]

oh please. when my 2nd cousin was murdered by a crack dealer back in the 90's, I never got to see the photos of the crime scene or her body when the police investigated. I however, attended the trial of the man who was her murderer, but images from the crime, were never shown to us (only to the jury).

If family members can't even see the images from a crime scene, what makes anyone think that Joe Public has a right to see those pics?

 

[RedIbis]

 

[LashL]

So,

Talk about comparing apples and fig newtons. There were thousands of people in those bldgs before the plane crashes and bldg collapses. There are photos and video of bodies being removed from GZ. Is there anything similar from Shanksville?

Well, let's do this one step at a time, then.

Step one: RedIbis, how many people do you believe died in the Twin Towers on September 11, 2001? Please be specific.

Well, RedIbis? How about step one?

 

[John Blonn]

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k90/jrubins101/Flight93MossauiExhibit.jpg

Brilliant!

All my questions were answered!

9/11 WAS an inside job, folks!

 

[John Blonn]

Truther Mindset:

- Government hires "witnesses" to lie and claim they saw Flight 93 crashing.
- Government digs up a hole in Shanksville.
- Government goes to a local scrap yard, picks up some pieces of metal, and puts them in the crater.
- Government gets 'rescue personnel' to lie about what they saw.
- Government gets "Wally Miller" to "identify" the "bodies" of all passengers + hijackers.

- Government DOES NOT fake photos of an airplane broken up and scattered across the landscape like a plane "should" look after it crashes.

Hey Red, why did the government choose to make that REALLY SUSPICIOUS crater instead of setting up a "REALISTIC" crash scene? I mean, really, they had the capability to do both, so why pick the one that would alert internet sleuths like you to the truth?

 

[beachnut]

High speed aircraft impact. Just like the photos I posted, high speed impacts. Good job, I show you high speed impacts, you find one too. Who said truth movement apologists can't be trained?

The impact crater and ejected parts are a result of the kinetic energy of 93 at 600 mph. Anyone who denies 93 crashed in PA lacks knowledge, and the ability to make logical conclusions. Those who lie and say 93 did not crash in PA, are calling everyone who recovered remains, identified remains, and picked up 93 aircraft parts, liars. Pathetic, they make up this lie without evidence.

High speed aircraft impacts. Why are truth movement members unable to figure out the impact crater? So far all their statements about the crater are based on complete ignorance, not based on the reality of high speed aircraft ground impacts.

The dumbest idea may be 93 bouncing off the ground, or there should be large parts like the tail sitting there, or some other stupid statement. If only kinetic energy calculation could be made by truthers, or understood.

 

[TC329]

Assuming they could prove it WAS shot down, so what? (And for the record, it wasn't.)

1. It probably should have been shot down. (We'll leave the ethics to the ethicists on that one.)

2. It was in a good place to be shot down with respect to collateral damage.

3. It does not prove ANYTHING about the rest of the truther's "inside job" fantasy.

4. Covering it up would only prove that the Bush Administration went into damage control mode after the passenger revolt story came out.

So, why do they latch on to this as something that will advance their cause?

I just don't get it.

i can't figure out what the implications of proving the Bush Administration fabricated a story in order to rally a nation into war without an investigation....no shades of tillman or lynch here.

 

[TC329]

I'm betting Dom (TC329) will chime in soon. He sees himself as as a FL93 *expert.*

And, if he does, be prepared for a huge dose of more woo...

yeah wait til i dump my interview with wally....