Horizontal Ejections and Squibs

papasmurf said:
A squib is a demolition device. In controlled demolitions, their use looks exactly like the focused horizontal ejections seen during the collapse of the world trace center.
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But, I remind you again, those pesky demiolition experts insist that you are completely wrong. The bursts of compressed air we see in the collapse videos do NOT resemble explosions. Many of your fellow liars have been forced to give up on the "squibs." You are near the bottom of a very "special" class.
 
papasmurf said:
That is a good point.. I think the point that they were on the mechanical floors strengthens my argument. The covert maintenance workers probably had easy access to the maintence floors to plant squibs on the outer columns.

If it was indeed an air vent, it still doesn't explain the pulverized material that came out with it. Look at the material being exerted. It's pulverized to dust, but the building has not been destroyed at that point yet.
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I'll ignore the first part and point out that you appear to be unfamiliar with HVAC systems, vents and exhausts. By the way, when air is forced through an HVAC system, it carries along with it anything that is suspended in the air as well, like dust, smoke, etc.

Anyhow, hook a high pressure air hose to your vents tonight. Trust me on this, what comes out of the vents will be clean as the driven snow. Don't bother covering up your white furniture

Hell, I'll help you do it.
 
papasmurf said:
Mince, you keep saying that. I understand you doubt the plausibility of explosives being used. I did too for a very long time. However, i am asking for you to give an explanation for what you did see. My explanation is explosives. What is your explanation?

As soon as you realize that there is no good explanation, the easier it is to rationalize the use of explosives.


As to how they withstood fire? They didn't. There were no fires below the fires! They could have the technology to precisely control the altitude of the plane with remote control technology. It could have been sent to hit directly above where the demolitions were planted, or to be safe, maybe they did have explosions directly where the plane hit, and those DID exploded during the plane collision.
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Uh, there have been a few threads demonstrating the near-impossibility of flying Boeing airliners by remote control. I won't bother to link to Apathoid's paper. You are not remotely capable of reading it.



papasmurf said:
(as for the molten steel or iron dripping from the towers, of which thermate is suspect, it takes extreme temperatures to ignite thermate that are not even close to being reached by the fire that was burning, a special igniter is needed to create these temperatures to initiate the thermate reaction) But let's not discuss thermate here, we'll save that for another day.
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Oh, boy! Another total ignoramus is promising to recycle uninformed nonsense about thermite. We can't wait!
 
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pomeroo said:
You are near the bottom of a very "special" class.
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Please take a seat in the very back of the:

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WildCat, floors were being crushed, but not 20 to 30 floors ahead of the collapse front. I don't know what is so hard to understand about this.

Why do you people insist on anything that defies the truth movement, no matter how many laws of physics it defies?
 
papasmurf said:
WildCat, floors were being crushed, but not 20 to 30 floors ahead of the collapse front. I don't know what is so hard to understand about this.

Why do you people insist on anything that defies the truth movement, no matter how many laws of physics it defies?
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Now we are talking.

Which laws , exactly ?
 
papasmurf said:
No beachnut, no. Those floors are still there, hence they have not yet pancaked to provide the pressure necessary to blast out the window. Floors pancaking above should not exert pressure on the floors below. If anything, the pancaking floor should blast the air out of the window in the pancaking region, or possibly directly below it.
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No, the floors are failing and falling due to weight and the impact of the building coming down. It is bad, just the weight of 11 floors makes a WTC floor fail, yet we have whole top falling, floors and core and some exterior panels. The floor fail and just move the next floor as the shell is shearing away and the core is damaged and failing! Sorry, the core, 60 stories is standing after the floor are long gone. You can model this with simple math and physics if you wish, it will prove your great implications of physics thread failed to materialize from you but freely flows from other posters.

Your ideas are flawed, they are not even correctable; debunked and show wrong, now what?

You can see the 52nd floor at 7.81 seconds into the collapse being hit by the debris and floor from above, is physics great! Math is cool too; got numbers? You promised physics and brought woo.


Ejection of air below the failing floors, air being force out of he building, remember those pesky elevator shafts and 3 stairwells? A place for air to go in advance of the collapsing floor and structure. The massive amount of debris, collapsing down the core elevator shafts and stairwells, like a piston making air rush all over the WTC! This takes a fireman and moves him 4 floors. Air!
 
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papasmurf said:
WildCat, floors were being crushed, but not 20 to 30 floors ahead of the collapse front. I don't know what is so hard to understand about this.
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Oh, now I see what you mean! It's the air pressure. Are you like Turbofan and think that the velocity of the air is limited by acceleration due to gravity? :boggled:

Why do you people insist on anything that defies the truth movement, no matter how many laws of physics it defies?
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Yeah, physics! Got any? Where's your math that shows which laws of physics were broken? Have you figured out the potential energy of the towers yet? Have you figured out how many pounds/kilograms of explosive (use TNT equivalent) in the exact center of the floor would be required to pulverise 35,000 square feet of concrete, cut the columns, and send "most" of it outside the building footprint?

When will we be seeing the physics papasmurf?
 
papasmurf said:
I think the point that they were on the mechanical floors strengthens my argument. The covert maintenance workers probably had easy access to the maintence floors to plant squibs on the outer columns.
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Whether or not there were any “covert maintenance workers” is a crux point at issue. We do not accept that there were. Thus, when you presuppose their existence, you are committing the petitio principii fallacy. Do you see? Please address this point.
 
papasmurf said:
as for the molten steel or iron dripping from the towers, of which thermate is suspect, it takes extreme temperatures to ignite thermate that are not even close to being reached by the fire that was burning, a special igniter is needed to create these temperatures to initiate the thermate reaction) But let's not discuss thermate here, we'll save that for another day.
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Holy crap! In addition to enough explosives in the center of each floor to pulverize all the concrete, cut the columns, and send "most" of the mass outside the building footprint you want to use thermite also?!

What on earth would the thermite be needed for? :boggled:
 
papasmurf said:
I would say that in one of the videos, squibs can be seen at about 4 different floor levels until collapse. Granted you would see more in a normal demolition, but they would want to disguise this one as much as possible, for obvious reasons.
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If "they" could disguise any, "they" could disguise them all, correct? And crack Truthers spotted those obvious "squibs" immediately.

So, in TrutherThink™, it stands to reason that "they" would have "let a few good squibs" get through so Truthers could catch them in the act of demolishing the towers, being that Truthers aren't too smart, and "they" are just so damn competent, right, papasmurf?
 
papasmurf said:
The covert maintenance workers probably had easy access to the maintence floors to plant squibs on the outer columns.
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You have no idea how things work in the real world, do you?

Do you honestly think that someone could just dress up in a pair of coveralls and waltz around the mechanical rooms without notice?
 
papasmurf said:
If it was indeed an air vent, it still doesn't explain the pulverized material that came out with it. Look at the material being exerted. It's pulverized to dust, but the building has not been destroyed at that point yet.
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You apparently do not understand how HVAC supply and return systems work, do you?
 
Alferd_Packer said:
You have no idea how things work in the real world, do you?

Do you honestly think that someone could just dress up in a pair of coveralls and waltz around the mechanical rooms without notice?
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No. I believe Larry Silverstein was in on it. I believe the security at the building was compromised. I refuse to believe scientific conspiracies over government conspiracies.


You have beachnut, a guy who claims to have a masters degree in engineering, defy what even NIST has put out, by claiming that the floors sheared from the core and outer perimeter of the building and collapsed WITHIN THE BUILDING faster than the collapse front, which already fell at near free fall speed. If you watch the video of the collapse and try to imagine floors falling within the building faster than the building is already collapsing, you will see how ridiculous this notion is.

You can mock my theories all you want, but the fact of the matter still stands. You have NOTHING that explains the observed phenomena. You talk about pressurized air and pancaking floors and all this other cool stuff, but none of you can provide a logical mechanism for how this occurred.
 
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