So apparently fluoride is a mind control drug?

[Loss Leader]

A leading Nazi was asked why feed prisoners with fluoride? Answer_ "It makes them docile and easy to handle.

Old Bob, at least one person above and I have searched the transcripts. There is no mention of fluoride at all. It is not in the transcripts. You are wrong.

We've given you a link so that you can search for yourself. But you won't find it because it is not there.

 

[defaultdotxbe]

Old Bob, at least one person above and I have searched the transcripts. There is no mention of fluoride at all. It is not in the transcripts. You are wrong.

We've given you a link so that you can search for yourself. But you won't find it because it is not there.

make that at least two (and yourself)

i also searched for other topics i knew were discussed, just to see how well the search worked (since it was a google-based search which isnt always that great) but i came up with hits for everything

ETA: heres another place to search, they have a better embedded search (still no hits for fluoride, fluorine, floride, florine, flouride or flourine)

http://nuremberg.law.harvard.edu/NurTranscript/TranscriptSearches/tran_keyword_search.php

 

[ktesibios]

Purely out of curiosity I tried a Google search on "fluoride + nuremberg".

I got hundreds of hits for sites making the claim that water fluoridation violates the Nuremberg Code of ethics relating to human experimentation. A great many reproduced exactly the same language, a diagnostic sign of cyber-metastasis.

I found only two claims (completely unsourced) that the Germans had administered fluoridated water to POWs for the purpose of keeping them docile.

The "the Nazis did it" meme doesn't seem to be all that current in conspiraloon circles. Given the "Chinese whispers" nature of communication in this milieu, perhaps Old Bob's belief is a mixup with the "Nuremberg Code" meme, which is much more widespread.

 

[Elizabeth I]

As for Elizabeth 1 back to the old arguement many types of fiuoride calcium nat. ok. sodium fluoride waste from industry, hard to dispose so put it in the water and make money.

That has already been answered:

since dissolving separates the fluoride (F-) ion from the other ion(s) in the compound, yes, they are the same

so if theres a problem it would come from the sodium/potassium/calcium ions, not the fluoride

 

[Old Bob]

Well I can't find the Nuremberg statement either, but Googled "toxic fluoride" the fist item of many "Australian Fluoridation News" worth a read. If I may deviate a little here, being brought up on a small cattle farm which was fertilized with superphosate, my father used to say the cattle were always short on minerals and try as he did they would eat the bark from trees. The reason, I find out 60 years on is that the fluoride in the fertilizer locks up the minerals in the grass and only the deep rooted trees can bring trace minerals up from below the polluted top soil. Also a chestnut orchard died out from super ph. Another cattle killing agent was bloat caused by fluoride build up in spring rye and clover grass from super. It kills one type of bacteria in the beast digestive system and allows another to proliferate that produce gas to lethal amounts. Thousands of cattle died and still do each spring the antidote being as simple as magnesium and of course stop the fluoride loaded fertilizer. From our health point of view it's fluoride that locks up the minerals we need to stay healthy in much of our foods. The barstards at the top know this, how many hu-mans have they killed.?

 

[Loss Leader]

If I may deviate a little here, being brought up on a small cattle farm which was fertilized with superphosate, my father used to say the cattle were always short on minerals and try as he did they would eat the bark from trees. The reason, I find out 60 years on is that the fluoride in the fertilizer locks up the minerals in the grass and only the deep rooted trees can bring trace minerals up from below the polluted top soil. Also a chestnut orchard died out from super ph. Another cattle killing agent was bloat caused by fluoride build up in spring rye and clover grass from super. It kills one type of bacteria in the beast digestive system and allows another to proliferate that produce gas to lethal amounts. Thousands of cattle died and still do each spring the antidote being as simple as magnesium and of course stop the fluoride loaded fertilizer. From our health point of view it's fluoride that locks up the minerals we need to stay healthy in much of our foods. The barstards at the top know this, how many hu-mans have they killed.?

Assuming that everything you write is true, do you now concede that nothing about flouride can lead to mind control?

Do you now concede that flouride poisoning is pernicious - attacking multiple organs of the body at once and leading to a painful death?

And, since people aren't dropping dead of fluoride poisoning, do you concede that the number of people killed in this manner is very, very low?

 

[Old Bob]

Assuming that everything you write is true, do you now concede that nothing about flouride can lead to mind control?

Do you now concede that flouride poisoning is pernicious - attacking multiple organs of the body at once and leading to a painful death?

And, since people aren't dropping dead of fluoride poisoning, do you concede that the number of people killed in this manner is very, very low?

Question 1 No, I think it has a mind effect as I said before,would you concede that some damaging anti fluoride news could be removed from the internet. Question 2 It is a rat poison. Question 3 The blocking of minerals by fluoride leads to sickness and shortens life, and take enough and you will die. And these questions are slanted.

 

[JimBenArm]

Well, it's all my fault, people. Part of my job is programming the control systems for water plants, and chemical control systems are included. We always include a toggle for "FREE WILL" and "MIND CONTROL" on the fluoridation systems. Defaults to "MIND CONTROL".
Not that you heard this from me...

 

[Loss Leader]

Question 1 No, I think it has a mind effect as I said before,would you concede that some damaging anti fluoride news could be removed from the internet.

No. That is impossible.

Question 2 It is a rat poison.

That is not a question. However, I would point out that this does not help your case. Fluoride doesn't control the minds of rats. Nor does it lead to some type of chronic sickness. It kills them. That's all fluoride poisoning can do - kill.

Question 3 The blocking of minerals by fluoride leads to sickness and shortens life, and take enough and you will die. And these questions are slanted.

That's not a question, either. However, it still does not support your point. Fluoride poisoning sickens and kills people. It does not control their minds.

You have posted absolutely NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER that fluoride can be used as a mind-control drug. Your statements about Nuremburg were found to be untrue. Your latest round of posts only stands for the fact that fluoride poisoning is deadly, which we knew already.

Do you have any evidence of any type that fluoride poisoning can do anything other than sicken and kill people?

 

[Praktik]

That has already been answered:

since dissolving separates the fluoride (F-) ion from the other ion(s) in the compound, yes, they are the same

so if theres a problem it would come from the sodium/potassium/calcium ions, not the fluoride

Believe it or not there's a discussion on this on another board I frequent. The Sodium Fluoride vs Calcium Fluoride thing came up and the conspiracist came up with this response:

http://www.fluoridedebate.com/question03.html

FROM THE ARTICLE:

In other words, industrial waste (sodium fluoride) is 85 times more toxic than natural calcium fluoride. Both of them contain fluoride, but they are totally different compounds. (Also see 3-2).

Calcium is a well-known antidote for fluoride poisoning. When an antidote accompanies a poison, it makes the poison far less toxic to the body. Soft waters to which fluoride is artificially added lack this calcium which is present in most waters that contain natural fluoride.

"The claim that fluoridation is one of 'nature's experiments' is not valid because the salts put into the water supply, sodium fluoride or silicofluorides, are industrial products never found in natural water or in organisms. They are, furthermore, notoriously toxic, sufficiently so to be used as rat poison or insecticide. Calcium fluoride, on the other hand, which is the form commonly found in natural waters, is not toxic enough for such uses." — Dr. C. G. Dobbs, (Ph.D., A.R.C.S.) Bangor, Wales, England.​

So this guy's saying that the freed-up calcium acts as a natural "antidote" to fluoride poisoning and is thus less toxic....

Thoughts from people who know more than me??

 

[Thunder]

I had some idiot at a party tell me that the active ingredient in Prozac was sodium flouride. And that sodium flouride was extensively use by the Nazis on the Jews to dumb them down and make them accept their fate.

Prozac is a compound which has I believe 5 different atoms in it, one of them being flourine. There is NO sodium flouride in Prozac.

As for the Nazis using it for mind control..thats also crap. It just aint true.

 

[Praktik]

I had some idiot at a party tell me that the active ingredient in Prozac was sodium flouride. And that sodium flouride was extensively use by the Nazis on the Jews to dumb them down and make them accept their fate.

Prozac is a compound which has I believe 5 different atoms in it, one of them being flourine. There is NO sodium flouride in Prozac.

As for the Nazis using it for mind control..thats also crap. It just aint true.

Ya - as if they needed that to make them accept their fate (same for the red-scare fluoride stuff).

No, you know what breaks people down? Systemic violence and the threat of violence.

A minority may escape the fate of succumbing to their authority but most people do what the people with guns say.

Guns cause docility, not fluoride....

 

[Loss Leader]

Thoughts from people who know more than me??

Fluoride ions do most of their damage to the body by binding with calcium. This makes the calcium unavailable to use in biological processes (mostly the transmission of electrical impulses in the heart and brain - leading to seizures and arythmias.

However, fluoride also does a lot of damage by binding with hydrogen, making hydrofluoric acid. This eats away at the intestines, causing massive gastrointestinal damage. It also binds with sodium (causing hyponatremia) and interferes with the processes requiring phosphates.

Administering calcium may help with some aspects of fluoride poisoning but, in general, you're still probably going to die. Too many other systems are affected.

There's probably no reason to ever ingest any fluoride, even in toothpaste. And calcium fluoride (as opposed to, say, sodium fluoride) isn't safer.

Still, no mind control. Just death.

 

[Praktik]

Fluoride ions do most of their damage to the body by binding with calcium. This makes the calcium unavailable to use in biological processes (mostly the transmission of electrical impulses in the heart and brain - leading to seizures and arythmias.

So - dissolution in water frees the fluoride ions from the calcium before it is ingested.

once ingested, the free fluoride ions bind with calcium - reducing overall calcium levels?

So i guess this happens regardless of whether one drinks water with sodium fluoride or calcium fluoride... could it be said that when drinking a water source with calcium fluoride instead of sodium fluoride that the extra calcium in the water will help since there will be more overall calcium and therefore the effect of calcium reduction in the body will be lowered somewhat?

 

[dudalb]

To be fair, it seems to me that to argue that Floride might have some bad side effects is wrong but at least it is halfway rational, but to argue it is a mind control drug is just plain crazy.

 

[Snake_Doc]

Interesting topic, would like to add a few points I have picked up from having the same discussion in work.
Sodium Fluoride is not a rat poison, sodium fluoroacetate is used as a rat posion in some countries.
As for calcium fluoride ment to be better as it's naturally occurring, not exactly, its not soluble in water! So unless one is going to eat it with a spoon out of the bottom of glass of water, I don't see how you would ingest it.

Superphosphate doesn't contain any Fluoride, it's manufactured by adding sulphuric acid to phosphate rock.

Which generates Hydrofluoric acid, from which Sodium Fluoride is made.
Calcium Gluconate is used as a antidote for Hydrofluoric acid poisoning.

(Grrrr, will come back when I have 15 posts to post links and maybe smilies)

 

[defaultdotxbe]

As for calcium fluoride ment to be better as it's naturally occurring, not exactly, its not soluble in water! So unless one is going to eat it with a spoon out of the bottom of glass of water, I don't see how you would ingest it.

you could shake it up and drink the suspension really quick, might be a bit gritty and you probably wont be able to digest it though, lol

 

[Elizabeth I]

(Grrrr, will come back when I have 15 posts to post links and maybe smilies)

You can post links - just put spaces in between:

http: // forums. randi. org

And welcome!

And returning to your post, isn't calcium fluoride the naturally occurring form of fluoride - the stuff that's in the water that's naturally fluoridated? (I don't know - just thought that's what I had picked up from this thread.)

 

[boloboffin]

Well, when you find out that Stanley Kubrick had a relative in the aluminum business...

 

[fkwebinash]

I have been seeing a lot of stuff like this linked to some famous PC games, which got CTs to the conclusion that the game is a "gov. black op in order to MIND CONTROL YOU! AND THEN INSERT YOU TEH CHIP!1"

The most famous one might be Half-Life 2. At the beginning of the game, set in a post-apocalyptic future where a race of aliens dominate the world with a totalitarian dictatorship, some old guy tells you to "Don't drink the water" because it has something "to make people forget". CTs tied this line with fluoride in the water, and then you can imagine the poostorm that came after that.

Although I have heard of plans of massive water fluoridization to keep bucal hygiene at a minimum, I've yet to see someone that got his/her IQ lowered with water.

Which makes me wonder if Alex Jones drinks a lot of tap water. Hmm...