So apparently fluoride is a mind control drug?

This is my favorite antifluoridation story, and I tell it whenever I get the chance:

San Antonio had to bring fluoridation up on the ballot several times before it passed. During one of the fights, some know-nothing called one of the local radio talk shows to offer this chemical analysis: "You know what they already put in the water? CHLORINE! Now they want to add fluorine. And you know what you get when fluorine combines with chlorine? CHLOROFORM!"
 
Elizabeth I said:
This is my favorite antifluoridation story, and I tell it whenever I get the chance:

San Antonio had to bring fluoridation up on the ballot several times before it passed. During one of the fights, some know-nothing called one of the local radio talk shows to offer this chemical analysis: "You know what they already put in the water? CHLORINE! Now they want to add fluorine. And you know what you get when fluorine combines with chlorine? CHLOROFORM!"
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That's silly, everyone knows what you really get when you combine flouride and chlorine:


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COLORFORM!! And believe me, that's much more sinister. :tinfoil
 
Jontg said:
I think we all know the screed, but I haven't seen a thread on the subject of fluoride. Do the claims about its IQ-lowering properties hold any water, or is the study linked to on Wikipedia the only thing they can dredge up?
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It takes about an entire tube of toothpaste to control someone's mind if, by "control someone's mind," you mean, "cause them a horrible, agonizing death."
 
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Drudgewire said:
That's silly, everyone knows what you really get when you combine flouride and chlorine:


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COLORFORM!! And believe me, that's much more sinister. :tinfoil
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Ooooh, Colorforms. I LOVE Colorforms! I had a Walt Disney "Sleeping Beauty" Colorform set. If I recall correctly, Princess Briar Rose/Aurora was in a bustier and pantalettes and you could dress her in various outfits. Strange, I don't remember what the Prince was wearing.
 
Old Bob said:
The effects I have noticed is remoteness, fear, compliance, loss of interest in in anything out of mainstream news, perhaps best described as hive mentality.
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The flouride ion is, without doubt, a poison that will kill in sufficient doses. If ingested in quantity, it binds to just about everything in the body and disrupts almost every physical process necessary for life.

However, none of the things that you listed are effects of flouride poisoning. You can't take in enough flouride to disrupt your mental processes without killing yourself.

From my research: The fluoride forms hydrofluoric acid in your stomach, eating away at your intestines and causing immediate gastrointestinal distress. It drops your calcium levels and disrupts oxidative phosphorylation, glycolysis, coagulation, and neurotransmission. Fluoride inhibits Na+/K+ -ATPase, which may lead to hyperkalemia by extracellular release of potassium. Fluoride inhibits acetylcholinesterase, which may be partly responsible for hypersalivation, vomiting, and diarrhea. Seizures may result from both hypomagnesemia and hypocalcemia. Severe fluoride toxicity will result in multi organ failure. Central vasomotor depression as well as direct cardiotoxicity also may occur. Death usually results from respiratory paralysis, dysrhythmia, or cardiac failure.

Nothing you said about flouride's effects on the brain is true.
 
Old Bob said:
Army towns in Australia use it to control the young troops as it is a compliance drug. part of the OWO control.
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I guess you could use sodium fluoride as sort of a poor man's date rape drug.

Here dear, I got you a glass of water!

This must be why CIA agents always carry a Brita water filter concealed in the heel of their left shoe.

I guess if the US ever changes their policy on gays in the military it will be necessary to stop fluoridating the water at US military facilities.

Do you think they use fluoridated water during enhanced interrogations at Guantanamo?
 
Well sounds like you know the effects and are way ahead of me, but you did use the word "neuro-transmission". The only effect is the subtle change I have noted in people and I still think it affect behavior. Watched the city of Albury people change as fluoride took hold. Even to the point of picking the out of town visitor by their actions. The 2nd ww courts some statements were made how the prisoners were dosed to control them and making them easy to handle.
 
Old Bob said:
Well sounds like you know the effects and are way ahead of me, but you did use the word "neuro-transmission".
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And therefore you're going to cling to the one big word you recognize as "proof" of your lunatic notions.
Old Bob said:
The only effect is the subtle change I have noted in people and I still think it affect behavior. Watched the city of Albury people change as fluoride took hold. Even to the point of picking the out of town visitor by their actions.
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And yet you were just too special to be affected. Ever thought of applying Hanlon's Razor to your ideas? Did it cross your mind, even for a moment, that maybe your community was just getting more insular? If you're a typical citizen, I can understand why.
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The 2nd ww courts some statements were made how the prisoners were dosed to control them and making them easy to handle.
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Which courts? Please cite a source for your claims. PrisonPlanet doesn't count.
 
Jontg said:
And therefore you're going to cling to the one big word you recognize as "proof" of your lunatic notions.

And yet you were just too special to be affected. Ever thought of applying Hanlon's Razor to your ideas? Did it cross your mind, even for a moment, that maybe your community was just getting more insular? If you're a typical citizen, I can understand why.

Which courts? Please cite a source for your claims. PrisonPlanet doesn't count.
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Nuremberg Trials. Google them read then, write back with maybe "sorry" As for being affected we have our own water supply. Are you Jewish?
 
As a matter of fact, you're almost exactly opposite to the truth. My family's mostly German--we come from old Bavarian stock and can trace our ancestry still further back to the Huguenots, French Protestants who fled to Germany to escape Catholic persecution.
 
O good, we go back to Scott English mix. Have you read the Nuremberg trials yet,? still waiting for "sorry" Wondering why you would say "lunatic notions" when you have not got all the info.
 
Old Bob said:
Well sounds like you know the effects and are way ahead of me, but you did use the word "neuro-transmission".
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As I have said, by the time the flouride ion has any effect on neuro-transmission, it has already destroyed one's digestive system and prevented normal function of the heart.

And the only thing that it does to neuro-transmission is stop it. There's no subtle changes in personality or anything else. It just makes it impossible for nerves to transmit impulses at all.

There is no dose that will affect the brain in any way that won't also kill you.

You are absolutely wrong.
 
I've never really got the whole mind control thing. Let's assume for a moment that fluoride really is some kind of mind control thingy, it makes you susceptible to suggestion or something. OK, great. So who's doing the suggestion? As far as I can tell, the government or illuminati or giant lizards or whoever aren't in contact with me 24/7. In fact, I have contact with an awful lot of other people. If fluoride really does do something to me, surely every single person I talk to will be controlling my mind? Unless the fluoride is homeopathically programmed to control you itself, the effect of dosing every single person in the world with mind control drugs would be to make every single person in the world be controled by everyone else they come into contact with.

Old Bob said:
The dis-info dentist will no doubt debunk all this if he reads the thread, his reasons are all fluoride ions (sodium potassium calcium etc fluorides) are the same when dissolved.
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Why would the dentist bother debunking it when you've just done so yourself? Will conspiracy nuts ever get tired of self-debunking? Surely it's a lot more fun if you get someone else to do it for you?
 
Old Bob said:
Nuremberg Trials. Google them read then, write back with maybe "sorry" As for being affected we have our own water supply. Are you Jewish?
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The transcripts of the IMT major war criminals trial amount to over twenty volumes. It's unlikely that anyone save a few dedicated scholars have read them in their entirety.

There is, however, an online version of the proceedings available at http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/imt/imt.htm . It is searchable. Searches on "fluoride" and "fluorine" return zero hits. Just to see if the search function worked I tried searching on the names of witnesses who I knew had testified at the Tribunal, e.g. "Franz Blaha" and "Marie-Claude Vaillant-Couturier" and got back plenty of hits which led directly to their testimony.

Old Bob is pulling the old conspira-loon chestnut of "I can't be arsed to do my own homework- you do it for me".

It's his (specious) claim. Let him come up with supporting evidence- a primary source, not cyber-metastasized fabrications from some hatefreak Web site.
 
Old Bob said:
Nuremberg Trials. Google them read then, write back with maybe "sorry" As for being affected we have our own water supply. Are you Jewish?
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...Aaaand we've arrived at this long-foreseen point in less than 30 posts! Is this a record?

BTW, Old Bob, you have failed to account for the numerous regions where FLUORIDE OCCURS NATURALLY IN THE WATER. Why aren't all those people zombies?
 
Drudgewire said:
You know when fluoridation first began? Nineteen hundred and forty-six. Nineteen forty-six. How does that coincide with your post-war Commie conspiracy, huh? It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hard-core Commie works.

I first became aware of it during the physical act of love. Yes, a profound sense of fatigue... a feeling of emptiness followed. Luckily I was able to interpret these feelings correctly. Loss of essence. I can assure you it has not recurred. Women sense my power and they seek the life essence.

I do not avoid women... but I do deny them my essence.

;)
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Wich makes me think, CT: s must have a whole different view of Dr Strangelove than me. Gen. Ripper must be their hero, a man to admire, whereas he is a loonie with a gun to me.
 
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Elizabeth I said:
...Aaaand we've arrived at this long-foreseen point in less than 30 posts! Is this a record?
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I don't know what his point was.

OldBob cited the Nuremberg Trials as evidence that the Nazis added chemicals to the water to make prisoners more compliant.
Old Bob said:
The 2nd ww courts some statements were made how the prisoners were dosed to control them and making them easy to handle.
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This would seem to indicate that he believes the evidence adduced at Nuremberg and that he believes the Nazis were fairly bad people.

So, he may be looking for Jews in the hopes that they will confirm that Nazis drugged the drinking water.

As a Jew, my research indicates that they did not. Nor do I suspect they would have. The preferred Nazi method of pacification was shooting people to death. This is not to say that the Nazi doctors didn't experiment with hypnotic drugs. I just don't think the experiments were ever carried out on anything but an individual scale. Nor do I think the experiments involved pacification - they appear to have been aimed at creating a "truth serum."

Also, it doesn't look like any of this was brought up at Nuremberg.

See: Dr. Kurt Plotner
 
Zorglub said:
Wich makes me think, CT: s must have a whole different view of Dr Strangelove than me. Gen. Ripper must be their hero, a man to admire, whereas he is a loonie with a gun to me.
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Nope, a loony with nukes.
Apparently Bill Maher also buys into the floridatiion Woo, which just shows that being an Atheist is no guarantee that you won't jump on to the Woo Train.
 
Nuremberg trials have statements in them that backs my claim, thought anyone Jewish would have a interest and back me up. Nazi Jewish, don't care as the same stuff is still going on under different names. Tell this lot where in the transcripts after they treat me so polite? ( forgot anyway) A leading Nazi was asked why feed prisoners with fluoride? Answer_ "It makes them docile and easy to handle. As for the tin foil hat ever heard of a "Faraday Cage" Here a thought Jewish bankers loaded with sodium fluoride, does Sub Prime crash come to mind. As for Elizabeth 1 back to the old arguement many types of fiuoride calcium nat. ok. sodium fluoride waste from industry, hard to dispose so put it in the water and make money.
 
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