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:-( Beijing Olympics -- A Lot of Unhappy People

And in regard to the Wenzhou bomb, it appears that the claims from the IPT are completely fabricated. Here's an article from the China Daily:
An explosion that killed 17 people in what was originally thought to be a traffic accident was in fact caused by a disgruntled gambler plotting revenge with an apparent bomb attack, police in east China said on Sunday. Investigators had found fuses and other explosive-making materials in the home of a tractor driver who was killed in the blast in Longwan Village, Wenzhou City in Zhejiang Province, said police. The explosion occurred outside a small building alleged to have been a local gambling den when the tractor was involved in a collision with a car and a minibus, said police.
While it is not unknown for the Chinese media to cover up or fabricate stories when deemed necessary, this seems a pretty open-and-shut case. There have been interviews on TV with people who witnessed the blast, and with people who knew the farmer who made the bomb. Furthermore, the farmer (who was driving the tractor, and was killed in the blast) was not Uigher, or Muslim.

So I'd say that we take the claims of the IPT with a rather significant dose of salt.
 
Sounds like a load of paper work, this Hokou business.
Does China regularly - more or less - have a problem with bombings and terrorism?

And yea, as for the less protected targets, the article said the self-proclaimed leader of the group said in the video which was released they were hitting anything Olympics-related and using 'never before tried' methods as well. We'll see. Meh.
 
I dont know - a lot of the precautions are very reasonable - Sydney had a squadron of Black Hawk helicopters in the air full of anti terrorist troops the whole time. We had mulitple bag checks, ID checks etc. Bomb squads, sniffer dogs. Every delivery vehicle was x-rayed and visually checked. All the venues were locked down for a week before the games started and this was all in a pre 911 world
Mind you, if you weren't near one of the Olympics sites, you hardly knew anything unusual was happening. Things sound a bit more extensive in Beijing.
 
I love how the Olympic Games is such a powerful symbol of human unity, even after all these centuries. :rolleyes:
 
Olympic Potemkin Village

Beijing begins massive Olympic shutdown
(AP via Yahoo)

BEIJING - Beijing's Olympic shutdown begins Sunday, a drastic plan to lift the Chinese capital's gray shroud of pollution just three weeks ahead of the games.

Half of Beijing's 3.3 million vehicles will be pulled off the roads and many polluting factories will be shuttered. Chemical plants, power stations and foundries left open have to cut emissions by 30 percent — and dust-spewing construction in the capital will be halted.

In a highly stage-managed Olympics aimed at showing off the rising power of the 21st century, no challenge is greater than producing crystalline air for 10,500 of the world's greatest athletes.

"Pea-soup air at the opening ceremony would be their worst nightmare," said Victor Cha, director of Asian Studies at Georgetown University.

...

Beijing 2008: bars forbidden to serve "blacks" and Mongolians, outdoor tables banned
(Asia News)

Beijing (AsiaNews/Agencies) - For "reasons of safety", bars are forbidden to serve "blacks"" and Mongolians or place tables in the street. Street musicians are being banned, and so is buying medicines containing "stimulants" without a prescription. Prohibitions are on the rise for the Olympic capital, while the first leaks reveal a grandiose fireworks display for the inauguration.

Bar owners around the Workers' Stadium in downtown Beijing say that public security officials are telling them not to let in "blacks" and Mongolians, and many of them have even had to sign a pledge. The official reason is the fight against drugs and prostitution, dominated in the past by Mongolians and persons of colour.

...
Black pimps and prostitutes in China? Where did they come from? I'm sure the Olympics would be much better if it weren't for all these foreigners showing up.



The Sporting Spirit
Tribune 14 December 1945

George Orwell said:
...

If you wanted to add to the vast fund of ill-will existing in the world at this moment, you could hardly do it better than by a series of football matches between Jews and Arabs, Germans and Czechs, Indians and British, Russians and Poles, and Italians and Jugoslavs, each match to be watched by a mixed audience of 100,000 spectators.

...
 
Germans and Czechs? I don't know about any beef we might have with them.
Anyway, I am looking forward to seeing crystal clear skies above Beijing. Or if they can actually achieve it.
 
Mind you, if you weren't near one of the Olympics sites, you hardly knew anything unusual was happening. Things sound a bit more extensive in Beijing.
Actually, you can't see the military stuff at all...its quite unobtrusive. Other security measures, such as the seemingly omnipresent metal detectors that seem to be everywhere in the city now, are not to unobtrusive.
 
And another article about the security measures for the Games; this one about the fact that the Beijing gov't has 400,000 "security volunteers" for the Games. These are basically retired men and women who will serve as a local neighborhood watch, looking for suspicious people or activities in their neighborhood. The article is written by Geoffrey York, who is quite notorious for slanting all articles about China in as negative a manner as possible, and this one is no exception:
In the small Beijing suburb of Hongxialu, there's a new force in town. The government has recruited a special unit of 288 residents, mostly middle-aged or elderly, to work as “security volunteers” in the lead-up to the Olympics.

Wearing red armbands with Olympic badges, the volunteers loiter near the entrance gates of their neighbourhood. They scrutinize every visitor and report to the police if they see anyone unfamiliar or suspicious.The volunteers of Hongxialu are just one cog in a vast machinery of surveillance in Beijing these days. Across the city, a network of 400,000 informants and volunteers has been mobilized to keep an eye out in their communities. The old Maoist system of neighbourhood committees, which had largely fallen into irrelevance in the past decade, is being revived again as a tool of social control.


When the last gold medal has been awarded and the athletes have left, this network of informers – along with an estimated 300,000 surveillance cameras and a strengthened security apparatus – will remain as perhaps the biggest legacy of the historic Beijing Olympics.
Now, first of all, I know quite a few of these "security volunteers" personally...they are the parents and grandparents of my friends here. And with the -- very real -- threat of terrorism during the Olympics, they've been told simply to watch for suspicious people or activities in their communities. It is, as I said above, essentially a large-scale neighborhood watch program.


Geoffrey York tries to raise the spectre of bringing back the old system of neighborhood committees; a spectre that is entirely unfounded, and reveals either gross ignorance of what he's talking about, or else a willing eagerness to distort facts to his own end. To whit:


Old System -- Nobody wore identification, they were hidden within the community, you didn't know who it was


New System -- They wear clear identification


Old System -- Their primary purpose was to spy on people within their community, and report them to the authorities


New System -- Their primary purpose is to watch for outsiders who don't belong in the community, and report them if they seem suspicious


Old System -- The focus was political, reporting people for any statements or beliefs that contradicted those of the government


New System -- The focus is primarily non-political, to prevent potential terrorist attacks, or other kinds of crime. There is a political aspect to this, in that it will also be used to try to stop unauthorized protests (Falun Gong, Tibet, Human Rights, etc.) in such communities.


Old System -- was controlled by the Politburo (to enforce correct political thinking)



New System -- is controlled by the Public Security Bureau (the police) (tho prevent crime)



Geoffrey then goes on to raise the even more frightening -- if entirely unsubstantiated by any facts whatsoever -- spectre that after the Games are over, this terrible system will not only remain in place in Beijing, but will be extended throughout China. I thought that reporters were supposed to "report"...since when did being able to predict the future become part of a reporter's domain?
 
I saw someone interviewing a woman in china today (I think on CNN) and she was saying "Oh the grey sky just means it's about to rain. See that's why I have this umbrella. It's not pollution." Now is this possibly just self delusion or government fed?
 
I saw someone interviewing a woman in china today (I think on CNN) and she was saying "Oh the grey sky just means it's about to rain. See that's why I have this umbrella. It's not pollution." Now is this possibly just self delusion or government fed?


... Or simply a rainy day? :boggled:
 
Following up on the article I linked to above, I decided to actually write a letter to Geoffrey York, and cc: it to his editors. Not that I expect much from it...but if there's any response, I'll share it here.
Dear Mr. York,

As a Canadian who has been living and working in China for the past 15 years (including running my own business, and establishing a non-profit organization to work with one of the Chinese minority groups), it is with some dismay that I've read your ongoing reports about China. Your very obvious negative bias, combined with your willingness to distort facts and jump to unwarranted conclusions, is quite something to behold.

Your latest article, about the local "security volunteers" in Beijing, is perhaps one of your greatest triumphs in this regard, and I wanted to write to congratulate you on perhaps one of the best example of non-journalism that I've seen within the pages of the Globe and Mail. If this were written as an opinion piece, it might pass muster (in that it obviously reflects your personal opinions); but as actual reporting, it is abysmal. Of course, making such an accusation, without actual examples, would be pointless. So, let me address some of the points you raised in your article.

"Security volunteers" are a revival of the old system of "neighborhood committees".

You are, apparently, fairly knowledgeable about China. Yet your comparison of these two systems can be attributed only to one of two factors: complete ignorance of the topic which you are discussing; or a willful distorting of the truth in order to pursue your own agenda.

There are, in fact, numerous differences between the security volunteers, and the neighborhood committees. To list the more relevant differences:

1) People within neighborhood committees wore no identification, and generally nobody knew who they were. Security volunteers, on the other hand (and I should mention that the parents and grandparents of many of my Chinese friends are included in the ranks of the "security volunteers"), wear very clear and obvious identification as to who they are. There is nothing secret or hidden about it.

2) The purpose of the neighborhood committees was to spy within the community, to watch and report on the people with whom they lived. The purpose of the security volunteers is to watch for outsiders who do not belong there, and who are acting in a suspicious manner (or are actively engaging in illegal activities). It is, in fact, quite remarkably similar to neighborhood watch programs back in Canada, where local community volunteers wear arm bands and patrol their community, looking for outsiders who don't belong there, and who are acting in a suspicious manner (or are actively engaging in illegal activities).

3) The purpose of neighborhood committees was primarily political, to enforce "correct thinking", and to report those expressed ideas contrary to those of the government. The purpose of the security volunteers is primarily crime prevention, to report people engaged in activities that are (or appear to be) illegal. This includes potential terrorists (who are, sadly, a real threat at present). Yes, there is a political aspect to this, in that they are also supposed to report anyone organizing unapproved protests within their community. But it is a far, far cry from the way that the old neighborhood committees worked.

4) The old neighborhood committees were controlled by the politburo, with a focus on enforcing correct political thinking. The new security volunteers are controlled by the Public Security Bureau, with a focus on crime prevention.
And kudos on your use of the term "network of informants", and the threat that they will continue to be used after the Games are over. This despite the fact that you offer not one piece of evidence that the government intends to continue to use these volunteers after the Games finish (and despite the fact that not only has the government stated that it will only use them during the Olympics, but the volunteers themselves have been explicitly told it is only a temporary measure -- facts that you neglected to mention in your report). And despite the fact that they aren't "informants". At least, no moreso than the local neighborhood watch volunteer in Canada who, seeing a person who seems suspicious in their community, reports it to the police for investigation. In China, "informant" has a very specific connotation -- someone who reports on other people for their political beliefs. And that has nothing whatsoever to do with what these security volunteers are doing.

China's Security Obsession

Your reporting on the security measures that the Beijing gov't is taking are, generally, quite accurate. And I have no issue with that. However, it is curious to note not just what you report, but also what you omit. For example, you omit to mention that many of the security measures Beijing is taking have been used at other Olympic Games. You omit to mention that there is a very real and serious threat of potential terrorist attacks, both from internal groups (the Uighers) targeting Chinese, and external groups (Al Qaeda) targeting foreigners; and that many of these security measures are taken specifically to counter that threat. You omit to mention that many Western cities are setting up networks of security cameras similar to that in Beijing (London, England being a fairly notable example of this). In other words, you seek to present as negative an image as possible by simply bombarding the reader with a long list of apparent dangers/abuses, without giving any perspective whatsoever.

Now, I'm far from being an apologist for the Chinese government. There are numerous problems and abuses here. In 15 years in China, I've seen plenty of that. And although I live in Beijing (and am CEO of my own business here), I am not one of those isolated expats who lives in a comfortable community, away from normal life. I established the Lugu Lake Mosuo Cultural Development Association (www.mosuoproject.org), which works with one of China's poorest and most isolated minority groups, in the Himalayan mountains on the border of Yunnan and Sichuan. Their religion is Tibetan Buddhism, and there have been numerous injustices perpetrated against them...injustices that we seek to redress, and to improve.

And yes, many of the measures that the Beijing gov't have taken are quite overboard, and should not be ignored. Telling bars and restaurants to turn away black customers, for example. Or reneging on their promise to provide unfettered media access during the Games. Or only allowing protests that have "proper permits" (effectively barring all protests that the gov't doesn't want).

And yes, if I compare China today to Canada today, it is pretty darn difficult to come up with a lot of positive comparisons.

However, if I compare China today with China 15 years ago, the amount of positive change is absolutely mind-boggling. When I arrived in China, they still had two different currencies -- one for foreigners, another for Chinese. All my mail was opened and read by the police. Chinese who visited me had their identity recorded, and if they visited me more than two or three times, would get a visit from the local PSB. If I wanted to visit a Chinese person's home, I'd have to go to the local PSB to get permission first. The list goes on and on and on.

The amount of positive change that has taken place in China -- within a period of only 15 years -- is almost unprecedented. And deserves to be recognized.

I agree 100% with informing the world about the abuses that take place within China. We should be unrelenting in continuing to place pressure on the Chinese government to continue the process of change and reform that is taking place. But likewise, we should make equal efforts to recognize and praise the positive advances that are made. Advances in gender equality (Chinese women enjoy one of the highest levels of social equality of any Asian nation today). Advances in education. Advances in health care. Again, the list could go on, and on, and on.

Therefore, I don't object to the fact that you report negative issues in China; what I object to is the fact that your reports are almost exclusively negative. And not only are they almost exclusively negative, but they rely on tactics of misinformation and propaganda that would be worthy of the Communist leaders you so regularly vilify. It is interesting to note that for all your condemnation of how the Chinese leaders control and distort the information they give to their public, you use exactly the same techniques yourself! You use intentionally inflammatory language (such as referring to security volunteers as "informers"); you use negative and frequently inaccurate comparisons (such as comparing security volunteers to the old neighborhood committees); you leave out relevant information that does not suit your specific agenda (such as the fact that security volunteers have been specifically informed that their positions will be terminated as soon as the Games finish); you leap to entirely unsubstantiated and unsupported conclusions (such as your claim that this "network of informants" will remain in place after the Games are finished); etc., etc., etc.

I do not expect this email to make any difference to your reporting; you obviously have your own agenda, and you aren't going to let little things like "accuracy" and "balance" get in the way of that. However, I felt a distinct need to respond to your article, and to let you know that the travesty you call "journalism" has not gone unnoticed. And I will cc: a copy to Edward Greenspon and Stephen Northfield, simply so that they will be aware of my concerns regarding "journalistic integrity", and the apparent lack of standards they use in evaluating the articles printed within their pages.

If you bother to reply to me at all, I'd appreciate it if you would make an effort to actually address the specific points I raised in regard to your article. If you can actually give points to defend the claims you made, or to contradict the points that I have raised, I would welcome those. However, if its going to be a simple "You're entitled to believe what you want" kind of response, please don't bother; if you are unable or unwilling to make an actual defense of the points I've raised, I don't really see much purpose in any further correspondence.

Regards,
 
I saw someone interviewing a woman in china today (I think on CNN) and she was saying "Oh the grey sky just means it's about to rain. See that's why I have this umbrella. It's not pollution." Now is this possibly just self delusion or government fed?
...or could it be that she knows it is a foreign TV station, and doesn't want to say something negative about a city she is proud of, that would be broadcast to the entire world?

...or could it be that it is, in fact, about to rain?
 
...or could it be that she knows it is a foreign TV station, and doesn't want to say something negative about a city she is proud of, that would be broadcast to the entire world?

...or could it be that it is, in fact, about to rain?


Being in Beijing yourself, was it a rainy day? :confused:
 
Being in Beijing yourself, was it a rainy day? :confused:
It has rained twice this week (and looks like it may rain today). Since I'm not sure exactly what day this woman was actually interviewed, I can't really say whether or not it rained on that day. But it would not be an unreasonable assumption.
 
It has rained twice this week (and looks like it may rain today). Since I'm not sure exactly what day this woman was actually interviewed, I can't really say whether or not it rained on that day. But it would not be an unreasonable assumption.


Chinese-Governments-Boot-Licking-Pro-Olympics-Communist!!! :p :D
 
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I merged Abdul's thread into this one.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: Cleon
 
I don't think it was going to rain because she was the only one with an umbrella and no one had any jackets. Also you couldn't see any clouds or anything to tell what the weather pattern might have been. The sky was just one solid light grey color. This "grey haze" was talked about and the reporter I believe said it had blown in from an industrial area. Anyway I think the first of your hypothesis is a reasonable conclusion.

So anyway I hear Tony Leung is getting married finally. Big news in China? I'd imagine so.
 

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