Wtc 7

[Magenta]

Honestly, I didn't know this. But I also didn't say (nor really imply I think) that Nigro spoke to Silverstein about it. Doesn't matter too much anyway.

Sorry, I was a bit quick off the mark when I saw Silverstein, "pull it" and Nigro all together. The question of who Silverstein spoke to has been an issue in the past, so I wanted to clarify in case there was any misunderstanding.

 

[Pardalis]

So...I found the video - where silverstein "admits" to having the building demolished - that my professor referred to and silverstein says "we made the decision to pull it."

Great idea to admit being complicit in insurance fraud and mass murder on national television isn't it?

 

[peteweaver]

A professor of what ?

 

[T.A.M.]

Woo!

 

[RedIbis]

So...I found the video - where silverstein "admits" to having the building demolished - that my professor referred to and silverstein says "we made the decision to pull it."

Um...is "pull" code for demolishing a building? I thought it referred to the firefighters pulling out...and then there's this alternate theory about "pull" referring to the use of cables to pull down a building so that it falls in the right place...

But IS "pull" some sort of code in the demolishing business? I mean, you google "pull" and "demolition" and get 9/11 CT sites right back...so...

The verb "pull" and nearly any grammatical variation using pronouns and prepositions is indeed used in the demolition industry. In CD bldgs can be pulled away from other bldgs, they can be pulled down, and facades can be literally pulled with cables.

Here is just one example:

. "In a flurry of flashes and booms, the Kingdome... rumbled to the ground Sunday in 16.8 spectacular seconds.
More than 4,450 pounds of dynamite, unleashed over a span of tiny delays, blitzed one of the world's largest concrete domes -- one day shy of its 24th birthday. "The roof did its job, the gravity engine worked. It provided the energy we needed to pull the columns inward," said Mark Loizeaux, president of Controlled Demolition Inc., the Maryland-based company whose handiwork brought down the Dome.

 

[Alferd_Packer]

Sniff, Sniff, Sniff

All right, who stepped in it and didn't wipe their shoes off?

 

[Alex_V]

The verb "pull" and nearly any grammatical variation using pronouns and prepositions is indeed used in the demolition industry. In CD bldgs can be pulled away from other bldgs, they can be pulled down, and facades can be literally pulled with cables.

Here is just one example:

. "In a flurry of flashes and booms, the Kingdome... rumbled to the ground Sunday in 16.8 spectacular seconds.
More than 4,450 pounds of dynamite, unleashed over a span of tiny delays, blitzed one of the world's largest concrete domes -- one day shy of its 24th birthday. "The roof did its job, the gravity engine worked. It provided the energy we needed to pull the columns inward," said Mark Loizeaux, president of Controlled Demolition Inc., the Maryland-based company whose handiwork brought down the Dome.

It's not a very good example - Loizeaux uses the word 'pull' here but not as a specific demolition term. One might as well deduce the word 'the' is a demolitions term using the same example.

 

[Athyrio]

The verb "pull" and nearly any grammatical variation using pronouns and prepositions is indeed used in the demolition industry..............

"Pull" is used everywhere, in business or at leisure - on the playground during Tug-O-War, by mechanics repairing an automobile engine, instructions with what to do with my finger, etc., etc., etc.

In the context re: the word "pull" in this thread, it was NOT an instruction to destroy a building.

 

[WildCat]

One might as well deduce the word 'the' is a demolitions term using the same example.

Don't bother. There's been pages spent trying to get this obvious point through Red's skull, he's too wedded to his belief to care.

 

[funk de fino]

The verb "pull" and nearly any grammatical variation using pronouns and prepositions is indeed used in the demolition industry. In CD bldgs can be pulled away from other bldgs, they can be pulled down, and facades can be literally pulled with cables.

Here is just one example:

. "In a flurry of flashes and booms, the Kingdome... rumbled to the ground Sunday in 16.8 spectacular seconds.
More than 4,450 pounds of dynamite, unleashed over a span of tiny delays, blitzed one of the world's largest concrete domes -- one day shy of its 24th birthday. "The roof did its job, the gravity engine worked. It provided the energy we needed to pull the columns inward," said Mark Loizeaux, president of Controlled Demolition Inc., the Maryland-based company whose handiwork brought down the Dome.

Pull my finger Red.

How much dynamite? How mant tiny delays? Why didnt they use thermite?

Your continued pushing (not pulling) of this argument is tripe

 

[funk de fino]

that my professor referred to and silverstein says "we made the decision to pull it."

This is a troofer lie. He did not say "we" he said "they"

Tell your professor he is mistaken

 

[~enigma~]

First, thanks for the replies, and links. In reply to the ad hominem comments

Could you point out the ad hom arguments?

 

[~enigma~]

Why is it that this supposedly organized classroom discussion is something you believe happened? What we have here is a guy asking a bunch of questions that is either a truther or a real live fencesitter (which doesn't exist in 2008) that has been tainted by a HUGE volume of idiotic truther balony.

 

[Miragememories]

So...I found the video - where silverstein "admits" to having the building demolished - that my professor referred to and silverstein says "we made the decision to pull it."

Um...is "pull" code for demolishing a building? I thought it referred to the firefighters pulling out...and then there's this alternate theory about "pull" referring to the use of cables to pull down a building so that it falls in the right place...

But IS "pull" some sort of code in the demolishing business? I mean, you google "pull" and "demolition" and get 9/11 CT sites right back...so...

Be very wary of all the "fool's gold" that is dispensed here.

As you've already seen by the ad hominem responses, this forum is
rife with those who will not tolerate disagreement with the Official Theory.

Good luck in your quest for 9/11 Truth.

MM

 

[WildCat]

This was a professor of what subject?

audesapre?

 

[~enigma~]

As you've already seen by the ad hominem responses,

Ad homs are responses....you mean everybody that says they are arguments is wrong? Guess that means you are qualified to be the professor mentioned.

ETA - You are of course welcome to point out the ad hom arguments BEFORE audespre's post #9.

 

[ElMondoHummus]

http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/home
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=74652
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=74735
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=75126
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=75831

In the above, I know, are hundreds of resources and discussions on WTC7 and all things 9/11 CT.

When you have read through IT ALL, if you still have questions, let me know.

TAM

TAM, thank you. Audesapre, in addition to the above, http://911myths.com tackles the specific points you brought up. Regarding the supposed premature pulling out of the dogs:
http://www.911myths.com/html/wtc_bomb_sniffing_dogs.html

The World Trade Center was destroyed just days after a heightened security alert was lifted at the landmark 110-story towers, security personnel said yesterday.

Daria Coard, 37, a guard at Tower One, said the security detail had been working 12-hour shifts for the past two weeks because of numerous phone threats. But on Thursday, bomb-sniffing dogs were abruptly removed.

"Today was the first day there was not the extra security," Coard said. "We were protecting below. We had the ground covered. We didn't figure they would do it with planes. There is no way anyone could have stopped that."
http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/ny-nyaler122362178sep12,0,1255660.story

Note that the story talks of a "heightened security alert" being lifted, and "extra security" being taken away. So the security levels weren't weakened compared to usual, they were just returning to normal levels.

In regards to the Silverstein "Pull It" quote:
http://911myths.com/html/wtc7_pulled.html

Believe it or not, demolitionists will use the term pull to describe the process where they collapse a structure with cables and mechanical force. That's because it's the most obvious description of the process: A machine "pulls" on a cable to collapse a structure. And it is in fact what was done to WTC 6, I think (I'll have to go look it up again at some point), and is also where some conspiracy peddlers make the leap from "pull" being used in the most obvious sense (the machines "pulling" the cables) to it being used in a most tortured sense. I've seen fantasists point at a video of one of the workers at Ground Zero describing the need to "pull WTC 6" as an argument that pull is indeed an industry term. When you watch that video, you actually see the machinery and cable being used, which leaves me wondering how they justify using that as an argument validating their accusation against Silverstein.

It's a leap to think that "pull" is actually a specific "term" in the industry; the context of that video shows that the word is being used in its denotative sense, not as some slang-speak or insider terminology.

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Anyway, the links T.A.M gave above, plus sites like 911 Myths, http://debunking911.com and a few others, are good resources to start learning about 9/11. I don't doubt that the professor in question is a decent guy, as you describe him, but fallacy is fallacy, and unfortunately, this prof is subscribing to fallacies. If he's at all intellectually honest, then the information out there at sites like the ones provided will help him see the truth.

 

[Matthew Best]

Why is it that this supposedly organized classroom discussion is something you believe happened? What we have here is a guy asking a bunch of questions that is either a truther or a real live fencesitter (which doesn't exist in 2008) that has been tainted by a HUGE volume of idiotic truther balony.

Why can't a fencesitter exist in 2008? On what date did the existence of fencesitters become impossible? And if there aren't any left any more - and presumably never will be any again from this date forth - doesn't that mean we can just close this subforum down completely? What is the point of it, if not to provide fencesitters with information they aren't getting from conspiraloons?

 

[~enigma~]

Why can't a fencesitter exist in 2008?

After 7 years you will be either a truther moron, not a truther moron or totally apathetic. I challenge you to find me an honest to goodness fencesitter and show me some kind of evidence that they are.

On what date did the existence of fencesitters become impossible?

This is such a stupid question if you actually told me you were a fencesitter I wouldn't hesitate to say you would be lying.

And if there aren't any left any more - and presumably never will be any again from this date forth - doesn't that mean we can just close this subforum down completely?

If that's what Jref decided to do I would be fine with it.

What is the point of it, if not to provide fencesitters with information they aren't getting from conspiraloons?

That is the point of the 9/11 conspiracy forum here? Where does it say that?

 

[Cuddles]

I challenge you to find me an honest to goodness fencesitter and show me some kind of evidence that they are.

Here's one:

I am a citizen exploring claims contrary to the mainstream ones regarding the event of 9/11 - although most I find serious fault with. Today, a professor stated during a discussion on the matter that WTC 7 was "imploded" and that Silverstein had made a statement to the media compounding this fact. The conversation then turned: since it takes a "long time" to rig a building for demolishing, the "devices" had to be put in place in advance... perhaps during the time the bomb sniffing dogs were pulled from the WTC complex...Also, the prof. said that various media had reported the collapse of WTC 7 before the collapse occurred...

Now, those are the points the prof. raised. It is my understanding, though, that WTC 7 collapsed due to extensive damage following the collapse of the other two main towers...and that the bomb sniffing dogs had been on site earlier due to unrelated threats that had been phoned in...apparently the threats stopped and so the dogs were pulled out..but I don't remember where I read this...and I want to go back to class with facts and sources(which he did not have with him).

So, I've decided to reach out for some input, if I might.

Seriously Engima, it's entirely possible for people to have not cared about it until brought up, for example in a class like this. Not everyone is either insane or has been dedicated to researching things for years. Now, please stop with the attacks and keep on topic.