AA77 FDR Data, Explained

[hxstamper]

Meanwhile, the people from Pffft! come here and hang out, because they want to be cool like we are!
Sorry, but the "shades" don't work on you. You've got them on upside-down again...

Perhaps you can educate uk_dave on what "cheeb" means then?

And before all you gee... ahh.. JREFers think P4T pilots smoke weed... remember, pilots get drug tested more than a felon.


Fact is, JREFers are fun to play with on a rainy day when other plans fell through...

Sorry to burst your bubble Jim (but really, perhaps you can inform dave on 'cheeb')

weeeeeeee!

 

[funk de fino]

So are you saying my photos are faked? Where is the debris in any of my photos?

That "C" looks a little small in comparison to the "C" on this image of an American
Airlines jet

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/Rob_canada/SNV30203.jpg

How big would you say the wheel of an airplane is compared to the wheel of
that van?
http://www.911myths.com/assets/images/db_images/db_Pentagon_Debris_110.jpg
http://www.911myths.com/assets/images/db_images/db_Pentagon_Debris_171.jpg
Van tire size about 30 inches? GMC Savanah perhaps?

757-200 size about 45 inches? At least up to the waist line of the man in
this photo?
http://www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/photos/4/3/8/0631834.jpg
http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulator...9E8625746A0047CBE5?OpenDocument&Highlight=757

I'd sure like to do a scale analysis of that "C"...

But anyway, where is all the debris in my photos? Mine were taken while
the fire was still burning up...and when the firetrucks arrived.

Yours were taken when?

It is a lie. You are lying. Some of those photos taken were some of the first from the scene.

Dennis said there was virtually no wreckage on the lawn and guess what?

You have just debunked him. Look at all that wreckage in your photos. You have to now change your story and cry fake to cover up Dennis' lies and still fail. I bet Dennis will than you.

Your pictures are taken for the wrong side. Your pictures taken with trees in the way. You do know what angle the aircaft hit dont you? You did look at the photos I the link I gave you didnt you?

I have made a fool of you haven't I?

If you want to talk aircraft parts the go ahead. I have 12 years airforce service 1st/2nd line. You are not one of the stupid troofer who link the wroing engines and wheels? You are not one of the stupid troofers who doies know about high pass engine fans are you? You are not one of the stupid troofers whoclaim engines are 6 tons each are you?

I hope not.

PS I think your C is about 3 feet. I think the one in my picture is damaged. Its still bigger than the van wheel though.

 

[hxstamper]

[edt] And as far as my strategy. What strategy? Did i make an assertion? I asked a question you failed to answer. I can say the difference between the flights within the quote marks was that none of them were hijacked and flown into buildings. But the characteristics are irrelevant to my power question.

just caught the above edit...


(insert laughing dog here)

Yeah, Turbofan, i think its time you inform "AW Smith" of the "differences".

Then again, if i were you, i'd keep him a mushroom. AW Smith has thoroughly discredited himself... up to you.

 

[beachnut]

Perhaps you can educate uk_dave on what "cheeb" means then?

And before all you gee... ahh.. JREFers think P4T pilots smoke weed... remember, pilots get drug tested more than a felon.


Fact is, JREFers are fun to play with on a rainy day when other plans fell through...

Sorry to burst your bubble Jim (but really, perhaps you can inform dave on 'cheeb')

weeeeeeee!

Maybe that is why some have lost their job, or is their inability to come to rational conclusions! A trait a pilot needs, and the p4t lack in their conclusions, and in the case of p4t non conclusions.
Most of them do not seem to be active flyers, and if they exhibit the same paranoia and inability to think logically in their flying they would be grounded. You need pilots to make rational decisions, the p4t are unable to do that with 9/11 issues. Sad, but true.

As an Operations Officer, if any of my pilots exhibited the flawed thinking and irrational conclusion (in the case of p4t mantra, non-theories; as in no theories) p4t pilots do, they would be grounded until cleared by the doctor (psychiatrist).

Guess they could have been grounded due to drugs. One of them claims they were fired due to their 9/11 beliefs. But they are so stupid they realize it was the total irrational behavior insisting the failed ideas are reality. Talking up vast conspiracy rooted in pure fantasy will get you grounded faster than doing drugs! That is because the drug test is random, may be once a year or less! But ranting 9/11 was an "inside job" like a madman, is an everyday occurrence for those who are challenged to connect the dots and make zero rational conclusions on 9/11.

 

[Turbofan]

The truly ironic thing about that post Turbofan is that , in this thread, I have been asking you/PfT/Balsamo to provide a technical paper to the NTSB/ICAO/the pilot's unions illustrating that the DFDR data of flight 77 does not match the physical evidence of the flight path of that air craft.

http://72.32.2.238/forumlive/showpost.php?p=3847487&postcount=588

That was on July 9th, its post # 588. You have yet to answer this fairly simple question.

Sorry that I missed this Jaydee.

This IS a very definite safety issue if the data stored on the DFDR is not reliable then something needs to be addressed and the sooner the better. DFDR data of crashes are used to determine the cause of crashes and what measures need to be taken to fix problems. This would not apply to Flt 77 as the plane was working just fine but it would apply to many other crash situations. Lives are at stake and those who believe that the DFDR data of Flt 77 is incorrect are busying themselves argueing about it on the internet rather than actually trying to do anything about it other than make bombastic phone inquiries to the NTSB. Where is the technical paper? Why has it not been submitted to the NYT, Aviation Weekly, Popular Science even? Why has it not been submitted to the NTSB, ICAO and the pilot's union, or Boeing and L3?

I cannot speak for Douglas, or Balsamo. Based on the relationship
and response they have had with such organizations such as the NTSB, or
P.S., I would suggest the news would not be well received.

On another note, it's not the we(I) spend our days on forums trying to
win over a few people. There are several other avenues we are trying
to get the word out.

Anything from radio, internet, open letters, public meetings/presentations, etc.

It's obvious that we're not going to see eye to eye on many things. We play
on here during the day to pass time and help our own cause.

We need strength in numbers. We need more public figures, and professionals
to step up. Congress has already read impeachment orders. New public
figures and professionals are joining PFT, AE, etc. with every presentation.

We feel our cause is justified and well researched. We are contacting MSM,
FBI, NSTB with little luck at this time. I don't know that a technical paper
will help.

I agree that finding more experts in this area will help our movement. Day
by day, our team is growing. We need to educate the public and get more
people on our side.

Strength in numbers, but also strength in those professionals who risk their
job, reputation and sometimes their safety to get the word out.

Comment as you all will. This is pretty much the reality and what we face
every day.

We have questions. We want answers. We want a new investigation.

Satisfy our doubts and we will stand down.

 

[hxstamper]

Maybe that is why some have lost their job,

Thats a pretty substantial accusation Beachy. Who exactly "lost their job" and for what reason?

You were truly a fellow aviator, you wouldnt be making such serious accusations from behind your screen without being prepared to back them up. Or are you just another all-day-internet grump making frivilous accusations without source?

Beachy, we know who you are, we know you lied about who you are. Feel free to contact us anytime for recorded debate. We know why you elected to remain behind your screen during the AAR debate. Its for the same reason you will not come up with a name for anyone who "lost their job".

Beachy, you're a fraud. Prove me wrong. Name names.

 

[twinstead]

We have questions. We want answers. We want a new investigation.

Satisfy our doubts and we will stand down.

From my experience, this is not true. The 'Truth Movement' is a tiny political and ideological movement that pays lip service to only wanting a new investigation to try to silence those who rightly remind them of that fact.

I'd sure like to be proven wrong, but I fear that won't happen.

 

[WildCat]

So are you saying my photos are faked?

No.

Where is the debris in any of my photos?

Several reasons. Some of your photos are extremely poor quality, such that they simply don't have the resolution to show the debris. In others, due to the telephoto lens used the foreground of the photo is shortened dramatically, losing resolution in the process. Or a combination of the above. In fact, that's why you picked those photos. This is what is known as "cherrypicking", and is a common technique of liars and frauds.

Are the photos showing aircraft parts faked Turbofan? Don't run away like a schoolgirl from the question...

 

[WildCat]

Perhaps you can educate uk_dave on what "cheeb" means then?

And before all you gee... ahh.. JREFers think P4T pilots smoke weed... remember, pilots get drug tested more than a felon.


Fact is, JREFers are fun to play with on a rainy day when other plans fell through...

Sorry to burst your bubble Jim (but really, perhaps you can inform dave on 'cheeb')

weeeeeeee!

Shouldn't you be out sharing your evidence with real actual FDR experts instead of coming here to educate UK_dave on what cheeb is?

Do you intend to solicit real FDR experts to corroborate your findings? Or is it just about pwning people on the internet now?

 

[nicepants]

Or watch it on our front page for free...
See, this is what happens when people like "nicepants" pay too much for traning.

"Our" front page? You wouldn't be using a sock-puppet to try to circumvent your banning, now would you, Rob?

As to your other comment:

If you believe what I've paid to be in excess, simply explain what amount would be reasonable for my training thus far, and I'll show you, in detail, why you are wrong

...

Or are you just another all-day-internet grump making frivilous accusations without source?

 

[hxstamper]

"Our" front page? You wouldn't be using a sock-puppet to try to circumvent your banning, now would you, Rob?

You wouldnt be accusing another JREF member of using a sock without alerting the mods first.. would you nicepants? Thats against JREF rules.


Or are all P4T members banned here?

ETA: By the way.. .Rob Balsamo was not banned here. "Weedwacker" was banned. According to JREF rules, the original IP, registered IP, and those shared, are banned. Rob Balsamo was denied registration under his real name by Lisa Simpson. But i can understand why many of you dont want Rob here amd think everyone who disputes the FDR threads are "Rob Balsamo". Paranoid much?.

Wildcat, im sure you parents are proud... nice language.

 

[Jonnyclueless]

So kids, what's the word from L3? Do they agree with the findings of the cultists over at the PFT tabloid site?

 

[DavidJames]

Wildcat, im sure you parents are proud... nice language.

You believe the U.S. government is complicit in the 9/11 attacks and all you do is post on Internet forums. Your parents must be much prouder then WC's.

Please, if you're going claim that you're doing more then make cold calls, sending emails with links to your website and talking with salesmen, don't bother, at least not without evidence.

 

[hxstamper]

So kids, what's the word from L3? Do they agree with the findings of the cultists over at the PFT tabloid site?

Why not email or call them like P4T has done?

4: What would be a typical time lag between the sensor signal being
generated (for example aileron angle) and the data being logged to the
protected memory of the recorder?

L-3 Response: Per ED55, it shall not exceed 0.5 seconds,

5: Is the size of this recording delay regulated by industry or just
minimized by good design?

L-3 Response: Regulated per ED-55, Minimum Operational Performance
Specification for Flight Data Recorder Systems.

6: In the case of a major accident like CFIT (controlled flight into
terrain) how much data (in terms of seconds of flight) is typically
lost? (For example signals still being processed by the DFDAU).

L-3Response:

With the use of the Solid State Flight Data Recorders,
typically, data is only lost at the point when power to the recorder or
FDAU is terminated.

Oh,, thats right. "JonnyCluless" and "Beachnut" refuse.

 

[hxstamper]

You believe the U.S. government is complicit in the 9/11 attacks and all you do is post on Internet forums. Your parents must be much prouder then WC's.

Source? Or retract...

Please, if you're going claim that you're doing more then make cold calls, sending emails with links to your website and talking with salesmen, don't bother, at least not without evidence.

What. .you cant pick up the phone and record?

 

[WildCat]

Wildcat, im sure you parents are proud... nice language.

Peddle your swag at TOP if you want to see colorful language. No problems for you registering there, and I don't even think it's possible to get banned...

 

[hxstamper]

Peddle your swag at TOP if you want to see colorful language. No problems for you registering there, and I don't even think it's possible to get banned...

Yes WC, we can see your frustration with us being here is showing through your colorful posts. Almost looking a bit desperate.. eh?

Come on WC, i feel you have more in you. Surely you havent called P4T or Rob Balsamo "idiots", "morons", "loons" enough today. You got more in you ... i know you do..

Here is a list if you want to attack each one indivdually as does TAM...

http://patriotsquestion911.com

Be sure to visit the survivors and family page.

 

[beachnut]

Thats a pretty substantial accusation Beachy. Who exactly "lost their job" and for what reason?

You were truly a fellow aviator, you wouldnt be making such serious accusations from behind your screen without being prepared to back them up. Or are you just another all-day-internet grump making frivilous accusations without source?

Beachy, we know who you are, we know you lied about who you are. Feel free to contact us anytime for recorded debate. We know why you elected to remain behind your screen during the AAR debate. Its for the same reason you will not come up with a name for anyone who "lost their job".

Beachy, you're a fraud. Prove me wrong. Name names.

You lack basic knowledge in the pure propaganda spewed by the very pilots you worship in the cult of DVD salesman, known as p4t. Look it up sharp pilot. A sharp, young pilot knows all; you told me something like that as you called be washed up. Cool, but you are buying all the beer for tons of people, being this wrong on an issue is TONS of beer! 22oz or better per episode. You have made the ultimate bad judgment! Judgment, the thing you are failing to exercise. Look up your fired fellow sharp pilot.

The pilots in p4t have delusional ideas on 9/11, and that is not typical for pilots to make serious errors in judgment, or fail to exercise judgment based on knowledge. Zero evidence;;; wait, p4t make no theories. Never mind.

Please tell us all now what I lied about? Stop calling me a liar without proof. You are worse than Balsamo. At least he knows he is selling false information for money with his DVD sales, t-shirts, etc.

Why do you say I lied about me? What is it? Oh, you got no evidence, you are parroting Balsamo! Good job sharp, young pilot hxstamper. What a name. Is that your FAA name too, you seem to be lacking pilot stuff. When will they let you solo?

But overall, you have kept to the zero evidence standard of p4t, and yet you seem to have theories, which are not allowed in p4t fantasy paranoia, I hate the gobermint or something land.

You said you are of p4t, then you know all your members like any cult member would. Figure out things for yourself. Balsamo may spoon feed you false junk, but you need to figure some things out on your own. Be an individual, do it yourself; like the sprit of JFK, "ask not", something along those lines. Plus, please stop spewing false information, or imply you want to, or support those who do; you are ruining the image of pilots who are suppose to exercise sound judgment based on knowledge! Live up to your young sharp pilot image you have in your mind. So far you are acting more like me and less like a sharp pilot.

 

[WildCat]

Yes WC, we can see your frustration with us being here is showing through your colorful posts. Almost looking a bit desperate.. eh?

I'm desperate? I'm not the one who refuses to corroborate his smoking-gun proof of the crime of the century with actual FDR experts and instead turns it into a game of pwning people on internet forums.

Here is a list if you want to attack each one indivdually as does TAM...

http://patriotsquestion911.com

Be sure to visit the survivors and family page.

Oh look, an appeal to the victims to hide the fact that you have exactly ZERO actual FDR experts who agree with your findings.

 

[stateofgrace]

We have questions. We want answers. We want a new investigation.

Satisfy our doubts and we will stand down.

Now this is funny.

Based on the questions I have asked you, you have claimed, a missile or small plane hit the Pentagon, you have claimed the FDR was planted at the pentagon, you have claimed, that the damage to the lamp posts was staged; you have claimed that all the eye witnesses who saw a plane hit the lamps are wrong. You have claimed that all the eye witnesses who saw the plane hit the Pentagon are wrong.

So, continuing with this, would you mind answering my following questions?

The plane parts found at the Pentagon, planted, or faked?

The DNA that was identified as being from those onboard flight 77, found at the Pentagon, planted or faked?

Remember, "We have questions, we want answers" so please continue to answer my questions as we continue to summarise your narrative.

Satisfy our doubts Turbo and please continue to answer our questions, ok?