Coffins ready-made for FEMA deathcamps. Debunking help please.

[UnrepentantSinner]

This is an aside, but related to people seeing things and presuming a nefarious purpose. I while back I saw a website that had photos of supposed U.N./German chemical weapons vehicles that were going to be used to impliment the N.W.O. My German was never that great, but when I read "Feuerkamphen" or something similiar on the vehicles, I knew I didn't have anything to worry about.

 

[Horatius]

What the hell is wrong with you? Did I say he posted only anything? I said he posted a link to ATS that you should go read if you want to see the other side of the argument. I am NOT going to copy and paste from ATS. If you believe the "coffin-vault" CT that is fine but I am really surprised.

Okay, I went and read that thread again, and they pretty much showed they are coffin vaults. If you're claiming someone on that thread showed something else, provide the link.

You are getting something wrong. I am not trying to post anything to counter his claim. I am trying to get him to explain how he KNOWS the manufacturer and etc....he isn't saying anything. Now considering you are normally level headed I am going to tell you this once. Say shut up again to me and you are going on ignore for the rest of your life with me.

This would be how he knows the manufacturer:

From ATS:

I've emailed Snopes to see if they have done any research on it. I'll post what I hear.

In the meantime, somebody at infowars posted this:

July 21st, 2008 at 11:25 am
Got a response from Polyguard:
Polyguard and Co.
Afton, WY 83110
1-800-654-1067
RE: infowars.com Cryptogon.com disclose.tv and all other paranoid sites!!!
To Whom this May Concern:
As you all know, death is one of those issues that we all fear yet we all will go through it at some time in our life and we have most all experienced a loved one passing away. In fact there is as average of 2.5 million deaths occurring each year. Some are cremated and some are buried. Most burials require an outside burial container to go around the casket to keep the ground from settling and the aesthetics of the cemetery beautiful with the least amount of maintenance needed. Until about 30 years or so ago, the only outside burial containers available were Concrete or wooden boxes. Because of modern technology, there are now other alternatives to concrete such as fiberglass and polymers (plastic).
I am not sure how Polyguard became associated with the burial vaults that are stored in Georgia. Those vaults are manufactured by our competitors in Georgia. However, the Manufacturers own the property they are stored on and there is no big secret surrounding the vaults. Because of manufacturing costs and the ability to manufacture 2 parts probably every 2 – 5 minutes, once the process begins, to be cost effective you manufacture until your raw products are gone. This creates inventory that can be rotated and used as needed.
In the funeral service industry, there is a program called "pre-need" which allows families to go to a funeral home or cemetery and pre-pay for their funeral merchandise and services. I would guess that most of these vaults have been pre-sold and they are meeting the requirement of the storage program set forth by the manufacturing company and the Federal Trade Commission who governs funeral service. Because we do not own the vaults and are not the manufacturers of the vaults, I cannot tell you those numbers for sure.
Many of you keep referencing a patent for a cremation container. This product never even made it to the market as far as I know. If it did, it is not the same product that is being stored at the manufacturers storage facility in Georgia. DO NOT CONFUSE THE TWO ITEMS!!!!
If this information does not help ease your mind, you are welcome to call us.
Debbie Sainz
Polyguard & Co., LLC

You're saying you KNOW he's wrong, but you're not saying anything about how you KNOW he's wrong, when there's plenty of evidence at the link you yourself insisted we follow, to suggest he's not wrong.

If you've got something that shows everything at ATS to be wrong, let's have it. So far we've seen nothing.

 

[~enigma~]

Okay, I went and read that thread again, and they pretty much showed they are coffin vaults. If you're claiming someone on that thread showed something else, provide the link.







This would be how he knows the manufacturer:

From ATS:





You're saying you KNOW he's wrong, but you're not saying anything about how you KNOW he's wrong, when there's plenty of evidence at the link you yourself insisted we follow, to suggest he's not wrong.

If you've got something that shows everything at ATS to be wrong, let's have it. So far we've seen nothing.

So you pick the baloney from the worlds most trusted site infowars and you ignore the posts that mention the address and the posts that point out the difference between the vaults he posted and the pictures of the vaults from the manufacturers website. Sorry but if you believe this you have gone full blown woo.

ETA - Nice of you to post the email from infowars yet fail to mention that they emailed FEMA and didn't get an answer. Does that mean FEMA is in on a nefarious CT?

ETA 2 - If you are actually citing infowars.com as a credible source, all your credibility with me just went down the toilet.

 

[Horatius]

So you pick the baloney from the worlds most trusted site infowars and you ignore the posts that mention the address and the posts that point out the difference between the vaults he posted and the pictures of the vaults from the manufacturers website. Sorry but if you believe this you have gone full blown woo.

ETA - Nice of you to post the email from infowars yet fail to mention that they emailed FEMA and didn't get an answer. Does that mean FEMA is in on a nefarious CT?

What "baloney"? Did you miss the bit where I mentioned I have a friend in the funeral industry? The posted e-mail sounds like the sorts of things he talks about. If it isn't legitimate, it's a very good forgery.

Also, did you notice that there are at least two manufacturers of these things? The comparison photos compared them to the Polyguard vaults. But they weren't made by Polyguard, the rep identified them as their competitor's products.

So we have someone in the industry, positively IDing them, and you still insist they must be something else.

And where the hell have I mentioned anything about FEMA? For someone who is so quick to go off on others for reading more into his posts than is there, you're awfully quick to do the same. The e-mail pretty much sums this up: Coffin vaults, manufactured in bulk, stockpiled on land owned by the company.

http://www.vantageproducts.com/Air Seal.html

How about comparing them to this photo? To my eye, as well as can be told from the pictures available, they are identical. 3 end ribs, 11 or 13 side ribs depending on how you count them, rounded top edge with a rectangular top.

Show me a septic tank that matches these things, if they exist.

No CT, but so far all the evidence I've seen, combined with what my aforementioned friend tells me, says that they are coffin vaults. Nothing sinister, but your insistence that they must be something else, on the basis of no evidence at all, and in the face of credible evidence that they are, is pure psuedoskepticism, which is something that, up until now, I hadn't believed in either, thanks a lot.

ETA 2 - If you are actually citing infowars.com as a credible source, all your credibility with me just went down the toilet.

Even a blind squirrel finds a nut now and then. Infowars doesn't always (or even usually) fake the actual evidence they link to, it's their ridiculous re-interpretations of that evidence that makes them a problem. As I said above, there's nothing to indicate to me that that e-mail is a fake, but even it's innocuous explanation hasn't stopped Infowars from going nuts with this.


And again, if you've got some (any!) evidence to show these are something else, show us. It's pretty bad when even Infowars and ATS are doing a better job of proving their case than an (alleged) JREFer.

 

[~enigma~]

What "baloney"?

Citing evidence from infowars is baloney. If you don't think so, that is your prerogative.

Did you miss the bit where I mentioned I have a friend in the funeral industry?

No, did you miss the part where the OP says this is the governments?

The posted e-mail sounds like the sorts of things he talks about. If it isn't legitimate, it's a very good forgery.

Superficially it does. Now where did I say it was a forgery? I did say infowars isn't a credible source.

Also, did you notice that there are at least two manufacturers of these things? The comparison photos compared them to the Polyguard vaults. But they weren't made by Polyguard, the rep identified them as their competitor's products.

And I suppose you didn't notice the HUGE RE:infowars.com Cryptogon.com disclose.tv and all other paranoid sites!!!
What did you expect anybody to say? After reading that line I tend to believe the rep was speaking tongue in cheek to blow off the idiot inquiry.

So we have someone in the industry, positively IDing them, and you still insist they must be something else.

Positively IDing them? As I said before you must be a graduate of the Dylan Avery School of Similies.

And where the hell have I mentioned anything about FEMA?

Did I say you did? Show me where i said you said anything about FEMA. I said you neglected to mention the non-answer some paranoid nut on ATS didn't get. Why do you think i said you brought up FEMA? Have you been taking strawman lessons from Alex Jones (could be since you think infowars is credible).

For someone who is so quick to go off on others for reading more into his posts than is there, you're awfully quick to do the same.

Ok....conversation with you is over unless you show where I accused you of saying anything about FEMA or you apologize...simple enough?

 

[Zorglub]

I've emailed Snopes to see if they have done any research on it. I'll post what I hear.

In the meantime, somebody at infowars posted this:

July 21st, 2008 at 11:25 am
Got a response from Polyguard:
Polyguard and Co.
Afton, WY 83110
1-800-654-1067
RE: infowars.com Cryptogon.com disclose.tv and all other paranoid sites!!!
To Whom this May Concern:
As you all know, death is one of those issues that we all fear yet we all will go through it at some time in our life and we have most all experienced a loved one passing away. In fact there is as average of 2.5 million deaths occurring each year. Some are cremated and some are buried. Most burials require an outside burial container to go around the casket to keep the ground from settling and the aesthetics of the cemetery beautiful with the least amount of maintenance needed. Until about 30 years or so ago, the only outside burial containers available were Concrete or wooden boxes. Because of modern technology, there are now other alternatives to concrete such as fiberglass and polymers (plastic).
I am not sure how Polyguard became associated with the burial vaults that are stored in Georgia. Those vaults are manufactured by our competitors in Georgia. However, the Manufacturers own the property they are stored on and there is no big secret surrounding the vaults. Because of manufacturing costs and the ability to manufacture 2 parts probably every 2 – 5 minutes, once the process begins, to be cost effective you manufacture until your raw products are gone. This creates inventory that can be rotated and used as needed.
In the funeral service industry, there is a program called "pre-need" which allows families to go to a funeral home or cemetery and pre-pay for their funeral merchandise and services. I would guess that most of these vaults have been pre-sold and they are meeting the requirement of the storage program set forth by the manufacturing company and the Federal Trade Commission who governs funeral service. Because we do not own the vaults and are not the manufacturers of the vaults, I cannot tell you those numbers for sure.
Many of you keep referencing a patent for a cremation container. This product never even made it to the market as far as I know. If it did, it is not the same product that is being stored at the manufacturers storage facility in Georgia. DO NOT CONFUSE THE TWO ITEMS!!!!
If this information does not help ease your mind, you are welcome to call us.
Debbie Sainz
Polyguard & Co., LLC

Greats! That would be the most reasonable explanation I´ve heard so far. I think we´ve settled the case. They´re there for a perfectly legitime reason and no woo in sight whatsoever.
I appreciate your efforts. It was something like this I had in mind starting this thread. Another truther-claim we can put the lid on (pun intentended).

Now, if only NWO could start cleansing the world from truthers a.s.a.p I´ll be even happier



(Nononono I´m just kidding )

You're saying you KNOW he's wrong, but you're not saying anything about how you KNOW he's wrong, when there's plenty of evidence at the link you yourself insisted we follow, to suggest he's not wrong.

If you've got something that shows everything at ATS to be wrong, let's have it. So far we've seen nothing.

I can understand being skeptic toawrds info from ATS, Infowars, Libertywhatever. But saying everything that is posted there is the equivalent of being a truhter and denying everything said on JREF just for this being JREF.
Many skeptics do write on these boards as well trying to put some sense into unsensible minds.

 

[Panoply_Prefect]

ETA 2 - If you are actually citing infowars.com as a credible source, all your credibility with me just went down the toilet.

I wrote to ms Sainz, and the email is indeed from her:

I prepared a letter of explanation for those e-mails that I have been bombarded with. This is the letter that I was attaching to the e-mail

Cheers,
PP

 

[~enigma~]

I wrote to ms Sainz, and the email is indeed from her:



Cheers,
PP

That's fine but I still don't give infowars.com any credibility.

 

[chillzero]

Some posts removed - keep it on topic, and stop bickering please.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: chillzero

 

[Old Bob]

Here is a bit of info, the US gov. has bought 500 000 air tight long lasting vaults. They come in all sizes with a nice wreath stamped on. Info@Polyguard Vaults,inc Western Office 167 Twin Spruce Lane Afton, WY 83110 Now it seems to me to be for sealing either radioactive or diseased people. Does bird flu raise a eyebrow? We had incredible foresight by our great leaders in Tasmania just before the big shoot up which was meant for American tourists. They sent army blankets and bought a 22 body frig hearse before the shootings in 91 which was the excuse used to disarm Australians. The little town of Port Author had about 1 car fatality a year. So it looks like maybe you should get ready for something nasty. Have a look at shootersnews.addr.com or just search Martin Bryant.

 

[~enigma~]

Here is a bit of info, the US gov. has bought 500 000 air tight long lasting vaults. They come in all sizes with a nice wreath stamped on. Info@Polyguard Vaults,inc Western Office 167 Twin Spruce Lane Afton, WY 83110 Now it seems to me to be for sealing either radioactive or diseased people. Does bird flu raise a eyebrow? We had incredible foresight by our great leaders in Tasmania just before the big shoot up which was meant for American tourists. They sent army blankets and bought a 22 body frig hearse before the shootings in 91 which was the excuse used to disarm Australians. The little town of Port Author had about 1 car fatality a year. So it looks like maybe you should get ready for something nasty. Have a look at shootersnews.addr.com or just search Martin Bryant.

What are the dimensions of the vaults in Georgia and what are the dimensions of both the polygaurd and vangaurd vaults? Also, what are the FEMA guidelines for disposing a diseased or infectious body?

 

[aggle-rithm]

Also, what are the FEMA guidelines for disposing a diseased or infectious body?

They hand the family a debit card and say, "Here, take care of it."

 

[~enigma~]

They hand the family a debit card and say, "Here, take care of it."

There actually are guidelines....

 

[defaultdotxbe]

That's fine but I still don't give infowars.com any credibility.

and neither does PP apparently, otherwise he would not have felt the need to confirm the letter from polyvaults was not a forgery, lol

its important to differentiate things posted at infowars, and things sourced from infowars, this was posted, and the source was given as debbie sainz from polyaults, tracking back to that source showed it to be legit

 

[~enigma~]

and neither does PP apparently, otherwise he would not have felt the need to confirm the letter from polyvaults was not a forgery, lol

its important to differentiate things posted at infowars, and things sourced from infowars, this was posted, and the source was given as debbie sainz from polyaults, tracking back to that source showed it to be legit

And I didn't doubt it's authenticity. I said judging by the line
RE: infowars.com Cryptogon.com disclose.tv and all other paranoid sites!!!!! it seems more like a "brush off" than a serious business letter. BTW, what address for the lot did PP give Debbie Sanchez?

 

[SpaceMonkeyZero]

I love it how "proof" of FEMA death camp coffins is not an invoice for 2 million coffins, or photos of MiB unloading train cars full of coffins, but instead a 10 foot resolution aerial photo of blurry rectangles.

I could just see this guy taking a logic quiz in high school or college...

"1. Draw out a truth table for p->q using Logical Implication."

"Well, if you hold your breath and squint really hard, the q becomes a g, and therefore the government is out to falsely prove that p is false... Therefore q is true, no matter the value of p!"

 

[Magenta]

What are the dimensions of the vaults in Georgia and what are the dimensions of both the polygaurd and vangaurd vaults? Also, what are the FEMA guidelines for disposing a diseased or infectious body?

Based on past experience, your chances of getting a coherent answer from Old Bob are vanishingly small...

 

[defaultdotxbe]

Here is a bit of info, the US gov. has bought 500 000 air tight long lasting vaults. They come in all sizes with a nice wreath stamped on. Info@Polyguard Vaults,inc Western Office 167 Twin Spruce Lane Afton, WY 83110 Now it seems to me to be for sealing either radioactive or diseased people. Does bird flu raise a eyebrow?

on polyguard's website the vaults are described as "water resistant" (not water proof) this doesnt seem to be airtight

advertising materials claim they are sealed using the "captured air principle" a google search for that phrase (in quotes) returns only polyguards site and a competitor in nebraska (also claiming their vaults are sealed with the captured air principle)

more advertising material indicates this is simple air pressure, like a diving bell, so they are not airtight, you fail

 

[Panoply_Prefect]

BTW, what address for the lot did PP give Debbie Sanchez?

I didn't. I asked if the email posted on those sites were genuine and written by her and she confirmed that this was the case.

If you want, PM me for her email address.

/PP

 

[Old Bob]

Based on past experience, your chances of getting a coherent answer from Old Bob are vanishingly small...

What a silly question, what size is a coffin? Small medium or large. Just like brain size. As for the seal I only know what the add says and it is a rubber type seal with 11 or 13 ribs. Also top lids or for heavy people the seal is on the bottom so the body can be rolled on the flat base. Coherent enough.??