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AA77 FDR Data, Explained

AA77 did not have a fire before impact.

A fire in mid flight however would damage the data bus, and wires causing
information to be lost.

You are comparing two totally different scenarios and trying to spin it.
It doesn't work that way. Dennis Cimino is a FDR expert. He was part
of the team who studied the NTSB files. Debate with him if you're
so much better and more qualified.

Faceless chicken.

Lapman, please answer the questions in post #1104, or just go away.

Do not use personal attacks and you do not have the right to tell people that they cannot post in any particular thread.
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nicepants said:
Landing gear does tend to be round...

Given your knowledge of parts of a 757, which part(s) would you expect to have the most energy at impact, and, therefore, travel the furthest distance?
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Nothing to account for that damage or the ASCE Report.

You see in this linked image, there are several beams that did not get cut,
or have significant damage (as shown by yellow markers):

http://www.bedoper.com/pentagon/asce/columns2.jpg

So what's big enough to squeeze through all of those columns and make a hole
that large?

Hmmm...are they magical steel columns that moved out of the way to let
the landing gear pass by and make the large round hole?
 
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Turbofan said:
Links and data are still posted above which none of you have tried to answer.
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It takes real cohones to post this outright lie in a thread titled AA77 FDR Data, Explained where the original post does just that.
 
Turbofan said:
Get a clue Wildcat. Answer my questions . Chicken.
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I responded to the only part that's relevant - your "theory" is 100% based on analysis of the csv file done by unqualified hacks who have absolutely no qualifications in the analysis of such data.

Actual experts haven't voiced a single concern over the data.

Either the unqualified hacks at the PfffT are wrong, or there is a vast conspiracy involving American Airlines, the FBI, the NTSB, the FAA, the firemen, paramedics, and other first responders from the DC area who responded to the attack, the people who were driving by (including elderly cab driver Lloyd England), air traffic controllers, etc etc.

You've been suckered by snake oil salesmen and are making a complete fool of yourself. Wear your PffffT hat proudly! And don't forget to buy PffffT dvds for your family and friends!

Pathetic.

Oh, apply kinetic force to any masonry wall and you will get a circular hole. The only way to get a square hole is to use a saw.

What is your real name again? :rolleyes:
 
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D'rok said:
It takes real cohones to post this outright lie in a thread titled AA77 FDR Data, Explained where the original post does just that.
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Sorry boss, I already blew Anti-sophist's incorrect assumptions apart with
links and data from ARINC 717 documentation, and several other credible
sources.

I guess these new comers forget to read the middle pages before posting,
and I have to refer you to the pages within this thread. Start at page 14
and continue reading.


Oh, apply kinetic force to any masonry wall and you will get a circular hole. The only way to get a square hole is to use a saw.
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Oh, this is Wildcat physics 101 huh? Does that same kinetic enery
pass through steel columns too?! LMAO

Did you even look at the ASCE diagram I linked for you? :rolleyes:

Keep avoiding the questions guys, it really looks good on you. Post #1104
for anyone that is capable of answering.
 
Turbo

Ok it seems pretty clear that you believe the FDR recovered at the Pentagon was planted and another FDR from a second plane was used.

So moving on,the second plane you mentioned it flew over the Pentagon, right? It missed the lamp posts so; presumably they were staged also, right?
 
Turbofan said:
AA77 did not have a fire before impact.

A fire in mid flight however would damage the data bus, and wires causing
information to be lost.

You are comparing two totally different scenarios and trying to spin it.
It doesn't work that way. Dennis Cimino is a FDR expert. He was part
of the team who studied the NTSB files. Debate with him if you're
so much better and more qualified.

Faceless chicken.

Lapman, please answer the questions in post #1104, or just go away.
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Who died and gave you authority to say who can and cannot post on here? Do you also realize that there could be a flaky connection that came loose somewhere during the turn and finally caused a complete failure? You are, of course, completely ignoring the plethora of evidence that proves your fantasy false. You focus on one piece of minute data and refuse to take your blinders off and look at the big picture. You call me a faceless chicken, yet you are supposedly sitting on "irrefutable evidence" and do nothing but anonymously "debate" about it on an Internet message board. That makes you both a chicken and a coward.
 
Turbofan said:
Sorry boss, I already blew Anti-sophist's incorrect assumptions apart with links and data from ARINC 717 documentation, and several other credible
sources.
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Ah, refutation via "links". Well done, sir.
 
Turbofan said:
Oh, this is Wildcat physics 101 huh? Does that same kinetic enery
pass through steel columns too?! LMAO
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There were no steel columns in the Pentagon, they were steel-reinforced concrete. And yes, many of them were broken and bent. Come back when you have a clue about how the Pentagon was constructed.

Did you even look at the ASCE diagram I linked for you? :rolleyes:
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Did you? Does a steel column spall? Stick to auto mechanics, you are completely clueless when it comes to construction.
 
stateofgrace said:
Turbo

Ok it seems pretty clear that you believe the FDR recovered at the Pentagon was planted and another FDR from a second plane was used.

So moving on,the second plane you mentioned it flew over the Pentagon, right? It missed the lamp posts so; presumably they were staged also, right?
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Staged, or hit by another aircraft/device other than AA77. Not sure. Doesn't
matter right now.

Lapman, my other evidence includes, but is not limited to:

- E4-B CNN Video
- Mineta's testimony
- Original news broadcasts on the morning of the explosion
- Lack of debris shown in photos, or serial # identification
- Entry hole photo damage and plane overlay. Inconsistent with AA77
- FDR data does not coincide with Pentagon release video. Level object to ground.
- ASCE report inconsistency
- Eye witness reports
- FDR data

My questions and reasons for questioning the official story are within post
#1104 and this page primarily.

Lapman, answer my post please. Show me something worth replying to.
 
Turbofan said:
- E4-B CNN Video
- Mineta's testimony
- Original news broadcasts on the morning of the explosion
- Lack of debris shown in photos, or serial # identification
- Entry hole photo damage and plane overlay. Inconsistent with AA77
- FDR data does not coincide with Pentagon release video. Level object to ground.
- ASCE report inconsistency
- Eye witness reports
- FDR data
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Wait. What above constitutes evidence? What you REALLY need is a single eye witness who saw a flyover. Lack of debris shown in photos? Are you serious? So a couple images don't show the kind of debris you expect and that's evidence of no plane? Entry hole?

Jesus this isn't evidence it's personal incredulity. You can't simply declare the entry hole is inconsistent with AA77 and suddenly it becomes evidence! You can't claim there was no debris and suddenly it become evidence. I hope indeed this is not all you have.

You want to see real evidence? Deal with all that stuff you so casually call 'planted'.
 
Round and round and round we go...

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D'rok said:
Ah, refutation via "links". Well done, sir.
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More like, links, phone calls and e-mails. It's proven and supported.

It proves the assumptions of the original post wrong. There is nothing
to support Anti's theory. It's just his thought, nothing more.
He doesn't even know the timing and needed to ask.

I showed him. Read the timing chart. Get educated.


Wildcat, whether the support columns/beam were made of steel, concrete,
steel/concrete, or plastic...how does the object pass through them, and
cut a hole in the wall? Why do you insist on picking at the minor details!

Tell me how an object can magically pass through a structure and still
make holes?!

Here is the link again. Draw me a path from entry to exit without going
through the yellow squares!

http://www.bedoper.com/pentagon/asce/columns2.jpg
 
stateofgrace said:
Ok, so the people who claim to have seen a plane hit them on route to the Pentagon are wrong, mistaken or simply lying, right?
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Sure, why not? That's what you claim my witnesses are doing. So, how
do we move forward with witnesses?

This is specifically why I want to discuss the FDR data! Would you now please
answer my questions in post #1104?
 
Turbofan said:
More like, links, phone calls and e-mails. It's proven and supported.

It proves the assumptions of the original post wrong. There is nothing
to support Anti's theory. It's just his thought, nothing more.
He doesn't even know the timing and needed to ask.

I showed him. Read the timing chart. Get educated.


Wildcat, whether the support columns/beam were made of steel, concrete,
steel/concrete, or plastic...how does the object pass through them, and
cut a hole in the wall? Why do you insist on picking at the minor details!

Tell me how an object can magically pass through a structure and still
make holes?!

Here is the link again. Draw me a path from entry to exit without going
through the yellow squares!

http://www.bedoper.com/pentagon/asce/columns2.jpg
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That was a huge, round exit hole, to have intact beams directly on a line to it be unharmed.

Kinda like shooting a bullet into a phone book, and the back of the phone book has a big hole in it, but the 100 pages before the back are unscathed. Laughable;):D

Any rational person who can look at the damage report, and the exit hole, and swallow the two fitting together needs mental help, ASAP.
 
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Why does the FDR data matter in the least? If it said that 10 seconds before impact it was circling over Topeka, Kansas, how would this matter? The freaking plane hit the damn Pentagon, killed a lot of REAL people, and you want to argue about whether its FDR recorded the right information? That if it didn't, it couldn't have done what it obviously did?

You really think this way?

Wow. Just wow.

Just when I think the world can't get any weirder...
 
Turbofan said:
AA77 did not have a fire before impact.

A fire in mid flight however would damage the data bus, and wires causing
information to be lost.

You are comparing two totally different scenarios and trying to spin it.
It doesn't work that way. Dennis Cimino is a FDR expert. He was part
of the team who studied the NTSB files. Debate with him if you're
so much better and more qualified.
Faceless chicken.

Lapman, please answer the questions in post #1104, or just go away.
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He is a liar and a fraud. Listen to his interview. He lies a lot.
 
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