Another Kevin Ryan Laugh Riot

[Mr. Skinny]

Maybe I was being silly, but I assumed that since it was cited and that anyone could check up on it that it was legitimate. I think some of the thruther researchers may be inept or confused, but I don't think they are just making stuff up. Is that document available on-line?

The NFPA standards are available for sale on-line, but they are not available to peruse on-line (for free), unfortunately. I happen to have a 1998 version in my office.

NFPA 921 does, in fact, deal with fire investigations, but I couldn't quickly find anything discussing thermite, so I thought I'd ask for a cite.

If you haven't read it yet, Gregory, I'd stop saying that "checking for thermite" is a standard practice. Unless, of course, Kevin Ryan can point you/us to chapter and verse in that standard.

 

[beachnut]

Only a total complete moron would believe that the truth movement supports the terrorists. I think it's time to change your mental nappy.

I think the FBI should come out and say they investigated the possibility of explosives, accelerants and thermite, if they actually did. This is a legitimate question that I as a citizen want answered.

Only a moron would not understand thermite would clearly leave evidence! It did not, you "ample evidence" must be invisible to people who think rationally. Does Jones and Ryan understand this? How long before Jones and Ryan go for the Beam Weapon?

Thermite is a nut case idea, unless you have the secret evidence, this stands.

If you welding railroad ties, or destroying weapons, themite is a logical idea.

Take some action with your "ample evidence" you claim to have. Action.

As everyone had told you, go ask the FBI if they could tell thermite was not used. With all your "ample evidence" I do not understand why you do not have evidence of thermite. But then I know there was not thermite used to bring down the towers, that idea was made up by Jones 4 years after 9/11. He took 4 years to make up a lie and start a place where idiots could post political tripe papers as if they were of science.

 

[beachnut]

Maybe I was being silly, but I assumed that since it was cited and that anyone could check up on it that it was legitimate. I think some of the thruther researchers may be inept or confused, but I don't think they are just making stuff up. Is that document available on-line?

http://www.nfpa.org/catalog/product...08&src_pid=&link_type=category_fp&src=catalog

http://www.nfpa.org/aboutthecodes/AboutTheCodes.asp?DocNum=921&cookie%5Ftest=1


go buy it, but it does not matter what it says, thermite was not used.

 

[LashL]

One can read NFPA 921 for free at http://www.nfpa.org/aboutthecodes/AboutTheCodes.asp?DocNum=921

It is "read only" and no cutting, pasting, saving, or searching is permitted.

I read it several months ago but I do not recall seeing any mention of "checking for thermite".

 

[Mr. Skinny]

Thanks, LashL. Didn't know they were now readable on-line.

 

[beachnut]

Kevin Ryan is at it again, shrieking that NIST was supposed to have tested the rubble of the WTC for explosives based on a supposed requirement under "NFPA 921." It was not my impression that this document has any force of law when the cause of a fire or explosion is known.

He then goes on to say that there is ample evidence of the use of explosives in the work of several "experts" such as (who'd a thunk it?) MacQueen, legge, Zamboti, Jones and Ryan.
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http://911blogger.com/node/16497

Correctly determine origin and cause using state-of-the-art information!

A guide, NFPA 921, use to determine the cause. What is Ryan's point? Ryan's rant reinforces the reality, scholars for 9/11 truth and justice are a joke.

I am trying to find something 9/11 truth has, to change my mind. But as I check each idea of 9/11 truth, I learn they are nut case ideas, false ideas, and just pure lies. I understand 9/11, but these people say there is something, but they have wasted my time telling lies, just like the "ample evidence" they say they have, it is just a big lie.

9/11 truth has a problem with the result of the 9/11 investigation, finding that planes hit the WTC towers imparting 7 to 11 times more kinetic energy than designed for, starting out of control fires in minutes, that usually take hours, and due to fire, the steel lost strength and the building fell. It was found a small group of terrorists, of which those who helped insist on taking credit, as does evidence left by the terrorist who carried out the acts. So we have a few challenged people, called 9/11 truth, who lack the knowledge that the terrorist have. Since the special people in 9/11 truth made up thermite and some of them believe the planes were holograms, they are not able to handle the reality of 9/11. They live in a fantasy world, characterized by ignorance and false information.

 

[GregoryUrich]

One can read NFPA 921 for free at http://www.nfpa.org/aboutthecodes/AboutTheCodes.asp?DocNum=921

It is "read only" and no cutting, pasting, saving, or searching is permitted.

I read it several months ago but I do not recall seeing any mention of "checking for thermite".

Thanks LashL,

Avoid Presumption p. 17, section 4.3.7
Expectation Bias p. 17, section 4.3.8
Collection of Solid Samples for Accelerant Testing p. 137, section 16.5.4.5 (includes incendiaries)
Incendiaries p. 184, section 22.1
Thermite p. 185 section 22.2.4

 

[Stellafane]

What? See, this is where Truth-haters disconnect from reality. They think any idea that gets filtered into their fevered little consiousness (assuming it passes the knee-jerk response stage), and doesn't fit into their naive world view, deserves to mocked. Checking for Godzilla semen is not standard practice in a fire investigation. Checking for thermite is. Not only is there zero information from the investigations about whether or not thermite was present. Independent researchers believe they have found it. What doesn't even make a lick of sense, to anyone with a passing acquaintance with sanity, is that our governmental institutions should get a pass on accountalbility and transparency.

The day my government is not expected to tell the citizens what it is or is not doing is the day to throw out that goverment and bring back the constitution. Because an uninformed public makes stupid people, who mock legitimate inquiry, because it makes them feel, you know, important.

I have to hand it to you, that's by far the best constructed, best worded post you've every written. If you wrote like that all the time, I'd have to seriously consider what you have to say, which (to be frank) is usually not anywhere near this cogent or articulate. Whatever inspired you to make such a, how shall I say this, stellar post, please try to keep it up.


OK, now I have a decision to make: Do I just assume he gets the joke, or is he off beaming in pride somewhere, thinking I've actually complimented him?

 

[GregoryUrich]

I have to hand it to you, that's by far the best constructed, best worded post you've every written. If you wrote like that all the time, I'd have to seriously consider what you have to say, which (to be frank) is usually not anywhere near this cogent or articulate. Whatever inspired you to make such a, how shall I say this, stellar post, please try to keep it up.


OK, now I have a decision to make: Do I just assume he gets the joke, or is he off beaming in pride somewhere, thinking I've actually complimented him?

First you were having fantasies about Godzilla semen. Now you are so enamored with your own ejaculate that you are not only missing the irony in my copying your pathetic style, but you are missing the point that testing for incendiaries such as thermite is standard practice.

 

[Stellafane]

First you were having fantasies about Godzilla semen. Now you are so enamored with your own ejaculate that you are not only missing the irony in my copying your pathetic style, but you are missing the point that testing for incendiaries such as thermite is standard practice.

And of course, the WTC was a standard fire.

You really, really, really don't have anything at all to offer, do you? But hey, feel free to keep using your clever "I know you are but what am I?" argument if if makes you feel as though you actually have something to say.

 

[GregoryUrich]

And of course, the WTC was a standard fire.

You really, really, really don't have anything at all to offer, do you? But hey, feel free to keep using your clever "I know you are but what am I?" argument if if makes you feel as though you actually have something to say.

Any fire.

 

[beachnut]

Thanks LashL,

Avoid Presumption p. 17, section 4.3.7
Expectation Bias p. 17, section 4.3.8
Collection of Solid Samples for Accelerant Testing p. 137, section 16.5.4.5 (includes incendiaries)
Incendiaries p. 184, section 22.1
Thermite p. 185 section 22.2.4

The GUIDE says…
Oops "such accelerants generally leave residues that may be visually or chemically identifiable." Thermite would leave a lot of evidence, and was a made up idea by Jones four years after 9/11.

The fact is, thermite would be easy to spot, and it was not over 6 years ago, so thermite is still just a fantasy of Jones. You support Jones and are a member in his failed group looking for another investigation, they will also fail to understand unless it contains massive amounts of false information and thermite. I consider thermite to be as bad as the Beam Weapon ideas you guys kicked out. You need to clean house and change your mantra.

I suspect you scholars are all better at anti-war activities, cause make up false ideas about 9/11 is hard to get past even the junior reporters of the world's news outlets. Even a grade school education defeats the mighty scholars for truth and justice, the guys with real dumb ideas on 9/11. The real truth, you guys are a political group against war, with failed ideas on 9/11.


So far the Guide does not help 9/11 truth ideas by Ryan, or you.

I wonder if the terrorist used an accelerant? Oops, they did! But still no thermite was seen, no thermite masses of iron were found, no thermite scars on the steel was found, no thermite sticking to steel was found, no thermite was planted, or discovered planted by independent security men form the businesses who worked in the WTC, no one was seen planting thermite in the WTC, no one was found with explosives in the WTC, on one was cutting off the 3 inches of wall board to place the thermite in the core columns which would have been hit by elevators, not one piece of evidence of thermite, not even the chips found 6 years after 9/11. 9/11 truth is like bigfoot and Apollo deniers, pure fantasy! Your "ample evidence" is a joke, and 9/11 truth is unable to take action to even find evidence to support their ideas, which are false.

I love how 9/11 truth argues tiny points not related to the fact they have no evidence. Is this a smoke screen to cover-up their lack of evidence, by ranting about a guide?