The Inspections Are Working

BPSCG said:
What use does yellowcake have?
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This particular batch had as use being stored in warehouses under inspectors seals...

And why was Saddam still trying to get more?
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I remember a certain CIA agent being outed in retaliation for the debunking of the particular falsehood you're trying to pass now. Maybe you missed the news...
 
Megalodon said:
This particular batch had as use being stored in warehouses under inspectors seals...



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Yes BUT the UN ordered it to be removed, destroyed or rendered harmless per Resolution 687 issued in 1991. 13 years later it was still there.

http://www.fas.org/news/un/iraq/sres/sres0687.htm

12. Decides that Iraq shall unconditionally agree not to acquire or develop nuclear weapons or nuclear-weapons-usable material or any subsystems or components or any research, development, support or manufacturing facilities related to the above; to submit to the Secretary-General and the Director-General of the International Atomic Energy Agency within fifteen days of the adoption of the present resolution a declaration of the locations, amounts, and types of all items specified above; to place all of its nuclear-weapons-usable materials under the exclusive control, for custody and removal, of the International Atomic Energy Agency, with the assistance and cooperation of the Special Commission as provided for in the plan of the Secretary-General discussed in paragraph 9 (b) above; to accept, in accordance with the arrangements provided for in paragraph 13 below, urgent on-site inspection and the destruction, removal or rendering harmless as appropriate of all items specified above; and to accept the plan discussed in paragraph 13 below for the future ongoing monitoring and verification of its compliance with these undertakings
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Megalodon said:
I remember a certain CIA agent being outed in retaliation for the debunking of the particular falsehood you're trying to pass now. Maybe you missed the news...
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Seems you drank the Bush-hating left's Kool-Aid on this. Can't really blame you, since that was about all the MSM was peddling.

Bush-hating political hack (he was a career ambassador, which is the same thing, before he became a celebrity) Joe Wilson was recommended by his own wife to investigate the claims that Saddam was trying to buy yellowcake. This is an approach about as likely to get a serious, unbiased investigation as having John Edward investigate Sylvia Browne. by talking with Larry King.

Wilson decided that the way to investigate this was to go to a few bars in Niger and talk up some Niger diplomats. This is about as in-depth an approach as having John Edward's Sylvia Browne investigation consist of talking with Larry King.

Wilson's Niger government contacts not surprisingly, told him they knew nothing of their government's wanting to help a homicidal maniac get nuclear weapons. Wilson decided this was enough to satisfy him that Bushitler was lying. Unfortunately for Wilson, his report also included evidence that Saddam wanted to buy uranium. That's another fact that the MSM doesn't care to mention; it messes up the Bush-lied--people-died narrative.

The best synopsis of the story I've seen is here. Note that the story says the Niger claim fell through not because it was proved false, but rather because it looks like there wasn't enough other corroborating evidence, though there appeared to be plenty of other circumstantial evidence that Saddam was indeed trying to buy more yellowcake.

Oh, and for the record: Since nobody else seems to want to give a serious answer to my question, "What do you do with 550 metric tons of yellowcake?" the linked article has this to say:

That is potentially enough to produce 50 nuclear warheads.
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BPSCG said:
Seems you drank the Bush-hating left's Kool-Aid on this. Can't really blame you, since that was about all the MSM was peddling.
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I'm sorry, but somewhere in your post you forgot to show any evidence of the nonsense you're spouting.

Oh, and for the record: Since nobody else seems to want to give a serious answer to my question, "What do you do with 550 metric tons of yellowcake?" the linked article has this to say:
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As far as this yellowcake is concerned, it could occupy space in a warehouse, under inspectors seals...
 
BPSCG said:
Seems you drank the Bush-hating left's Kool-Aid on this. Can't really blame you, since that was about all the MSM was peddling.

Bush-hating political hack (he was a career ambassador, which is the same thing, before he became a celebrity) Joe Wilson was recommended by his own wife to investigate the claims that Saddam was trying to buy yellowcake. This is an approach about as likely to get a serious, unbiased investigation as having John Edward investigate Sylvia Browne. by talking with Larry King.

Wilson decided that the way to investigate this was to go to a few bars in Niger and talk up some Niger diplomats. This is about as in-depth an approach as having John Edward's Sylvia Browne investigation consist of talking with Larry King.

Wilson's Niger government contacts not surprisingly, told him they knew nothing of their government's wanting to help a homicidal maniac get nuclear weapons. Wilson decided this was enough to satisfy him that Bushitler was lying. Unfortunately for Wilson, his report also included evidence that Saddam wanted to buy uranium. That's another fact that the MSM doesn't care to mention; it messes up the Bush-lied--people-died narrative.
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Does it matter what saddam wanted to do?
I'm sure he wanted to be able to Fart sunshine and rainbows, but that doesn't make it a reality.

It really only matters what he could do. In this regard, the inspections were working as he was unsuccessful at obtaining any material.



BPSCG said:
Oh, and for the record: Since nobody else seems to want to give a serious answer to my question, "What do you do with 550 metric tons of yellowcake?" the linked article has this to say:
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Duh. what's your point?
 
BPSCG said:
...nobody else seems to want to give a serious answer to my question, "What do you do with 550 metric tons of yellowcake?"...
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Megalodon said:
As far as this yellowcake is concerned, it could occupy space in a warehouse, under inspectors seals...
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joobz said:
Duh. what's your point?
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As I said, I haven't seen a serious answer to my question, "What do you do with 550 metric tons of yellowcake?"

Megalodon suggests that Saddam was collecting it, much like a normal person would collect stamps or commemorative coins. No particular good reason - he just likes having a nice collection.

Joobz suggests that it's a pointless question to ask why someone would collect 550 tons of something that you could make 50 nuclear warheads out of. Okay, joobz, here's an answer that's just as serious as yours: To impress the neighbors.

Hm, come to think of it, that's actually a more serious answer than yours.
 
BPSCG said:
As I said, I haven't seen a serious answer to my question, "What do you do with 550 metric tons of yellowcake?"

Megalodon suggests that Saddam was collecting it, much like a normal person would collect stamps or commemorative coins. No particular good reason - he just likes having a nice collection.
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I said:
"As far as this yellowcake is concerned, it could occupy space in a warehouse, under inspectors seals..."

To read this as a suggestion "that Saddam was collecting it, much like a normal person would collect stamps" is a particularly wrong way of interpreting it. I could swear I wrote it in plain english, but it obviously went over your head.

Saddam obviously acquired the yellowcake to use it, in all probability, as a start off for a nuclear weapons program. We know that.

And because this was known by the inspectors, it was put under seal. The seals were unbroken, so much that the yellowcake has now been transported out of Iraq.

This means that:

-As far as Saddam was concerned, the yellowcake was a decorative item;
-As far as the inspectors were concerned, the yellowcake was safe and accounted for;
-As far as the yellowcake was concerned, it was occupying space in a warehouse, under inspectors seals;
-As far as anyone else was concerned, the inspections were working.

So, even if by accident, you got something right in the thread...
 
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Megalodon said:
I said:
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And because this was known by the inspectors, it was put under seal. The seals were unbroken, so much that the yellowcake has now been transported out of Iraq.

This means that:

-As far as Saddam was concerned, the yellowcake was a decorative item;
-As far as the inspectors were concerned, the yellowcake was safe and accounted for;
-As far as the yellowcake was concerned, it was occupying space in a warehouse, under inspectors seals;
-As far as anyone else was concerned, the inspections were working.

So, even if by accident, you got something right in the thread...
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It was ordered destroyed or removed by the UN and the IAEA did not do that. North Korea had yellowcake under seal also. They then tested a nuke. Iran had yellowcake under seal too and removed the seals in front of IAEA inspectors to resume enrichment. Those seals mean absolutely nothing.
 
Smackety said:
It looks like the UN ordered the IAEA to remove it, not Saddam...
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That is exactly the point. The IAEA ignored the UN. It is pointless to rely on the IAEA when it comes to Nuclear Proliferation. They have failed at every turn, from North Korea to Libya, to Iraq to Iran.
 
ponderingturtle said:
If this is so dangerous, why didn't anyone demand that he turn it over before the war?

No one seems to have cared about this, until now.
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The UN ordered the IAEA to destroy or remove all nuclear related material in 1991 under Resolution 687. The IAEA did not do as it was ordered. Once again the UN is all bark and no bite.
 
BPSCG said:
As I said, I haven't seen a serious answer to my question, "What do you do with 550 metric tons of yellowcake?"
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Without a huge, expensive and highly technically challenging refinement program, you just let it sit there. Which is what Hussein did with it, because he didn't have the facilities to do anything else with it.

There are pro-Bush fairy tales I can find it in myself to be charitable about. This one is so transparently idiotic that it isn't one of them. If you're presenting this as evidence that in any way supports the justifications given for the invasion of Iraq by the Bush government then you're culpably ignorant or mendacious.
 
Texas said:
It was ordered destroyed or removed by the UN and the IAEA did not do that. North Korea had yellowcake under seal also. They then tested a nuke. Iran had yellowcake under seal too and removed the seals in front of IAEA inspectors to resume enrichment. Those seals mean absolutely nothing.
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Any particular reason why you forgot the"rendered harmless" in the resolution?

As for your examples:

-North Korea had yk under seal, until somebody removed the inspectors;
-Iran had yk rendered harmless by seals, until they removed them.

Which means that, for all purposes, since the yk in Iraq was under seal and under inspections, the terms of the resolution were met.

Which means, bringing it back to the thread title, that the inspections were working.

Feeble attempts at revisionism will make you look silly...
 
Back in the Neolithic Age, when I was in college, 39 years ago this September, when my hair was a little bit too long, I went to The Record Runner record shop in Ithaca, New York one day, and found an intriguing album by a guy named Jaime Brockett, called Remember the Wind and the Rain.

The album's title song wasn't the reason I was at The Record Runner. I'd heard this hilarious, frantic 13-minute long song called The Legend of the U.S.S. Titanic (sic) on the Ithaca College radio station, WICB (or maybe it was Cornell University's station, WVBR, the call letters of which stood for Voice of Big Red, Big Red being the name of Cornell's sports teams).

Anyway, The Legend of the U.S.S. Titanic explained how and why the Titanic went down, even though "she was made of good wood and good iron and they said she'd never go down," and how heavyweight boxing champion Jack Johnson supposedly tried to book a trip on the ship but was denied passage because "they said this ship don't haul no coal" (probably an urban legend).

Brockett described the people who run the boat ("they knew all about hoisting up landlubbers and battenin' down hatches...") and the passengers ("a whole buncha Jewish people from Miami, tradin' wives and Cadillacs and diamonds...") and the captain, who knew how to do all the captain things, and the first mate.

Oh, yes, the first mate:
... this fella, his sideburns they just a little too long. He giving way, see. He, he been down in Mexico he been down in Mexico. He been workin' in this rope factory down in Mexico now. Down in Mexico they make rope outta this funny little hemp plant that grows wild in the ground (some of you people grow it in flower pots under your bed, ehh) Anyways, he's down there and he's, he's makin' rope outta this funny mari-joouana plant. One day the rope factory she catch fire n' he run back on in to save his lunch - he's got two sardine sandwiches - runnin' back on in to save his lunch he gets inside n' there's all this funny smoke floatin' around up inside n'.. he gets some of this funny smoke up inside his head n'.. he sit down in the middle o' de' fire n' he say, "Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh:talk034: baby, I ain't gonna make rope no more!"

So he takes everything he owns he wraps it up on into a diaper and a knapsack too n' he, he headin' on to the Titanic he gets to the Titanic he standin' on the bottom walkin' on up the gangplank n' the Captain's standin' on the top n' the Captain says "What you got boy?"

He says "I'm comin' on"

He says "What you got?"

He says "Well I got me two changes of BVD's. I got me my guitar. I got me my address book, a pair of socks, four Masked Marvel comic books, a tennis racquet and four hundred n' ninety-seven n' a half feet o' rope."

He says "Four hundred n' ninety seven n' a half feet o' rope! Waddaya got that for?"

He says, "Heheh I'm jest carryin' it heheh..."

So he says "It's all right. Go on board, go on board" and he did.
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Five hundred fifty tons of yellowcake! Waddaya got that for?

Heheh I'm jest storin' it heheh.

MP3 of The Legend of the U.S.S. Titanic.

It was midnight on the sea,
The band was playin' "Nearer My God to Thee",
Fare thee well, Titanic, fare thee well...
 
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