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complaints about TAM6

The water in Las Vegas consistently meets and exceeds EPA standards and beats most other major cities when examined for contaminants.

http://www.lvvwd.com/assets/pdf/wq_rpt08_treatment.pdf

Well water is much more likely to be contaminated than Las Vegas water which comes primarily from Lake Mead via the Colorado river and Hoover Dam. I think Penn and Teller had a good bulls!hit on this.
 
Well, I do drink bottled water while I am there. Although it has more to do with the age and condition of the plumbing in places such as the Flamingo than the state of Las Vegas' waste water treatment plant.

That was my assumption, actually. That, or a higher sulfur content than I'm used to.
 
The water in Las Vegas consistently meets and exceeds EPA standards and beats most other major cities when examined for contaminants.

http://www.lvvwd.com/assets/pdf/wq_rpt08_treatment.pdf

Well water is much more likely to be contaminated than Las Vegas water which comes primarily from Lake Mead via the Colorado river and Hoover Dam. I think Penn and Teller had a good bulls!hit on this.

Yeah, I read tapwater conspiracies all the time, mostly from folks with something to sell.

My beef with Vegas, water-wise, is just its mere existence. Seems to me, no matter how much recycling you do, creating a large city in the desert like that has to use up a goodly number of gallons a year that aren't going back into the river.

But hey, perhaps it's no different for cities on rivers. For all I know it makes no difference.

I don't buy into environmental extremism, but I have to admit that environmental apocalypse is my Achilles heel as far as irrational thinking goes.

Of course, I grew up in an environment of End Times theology, so there's a certain degree of paranoia that goes very deep.

And being from a milltown, I'd drive thru Atlanta and think "This can't last. It just can't last." I'd see the buildings and the lights and all I could think of were the connections, the pipes sucking water out of the rivers, the wires pulling power from coal plants that were tearing down the mountains.

It overwhelms me and scares me, and there's a part of me that still is convinced that this can't go on much longer.
 
I agree. And I have a lot of concerns about the environment in general that Penn and Teller don't really seem to care about. But my field is science--there's is illusion. I find their treatment of science on their show to be less than rigorous.

But at least Vegas isn't the bible belt. And there is always space... relatively cheap... no matter how big the gathering or when they meet. There are also a lot of airfare deals-- so I think it may be the best place for an international crowd to get to. And I love the international flavor of TAM. LOVE IT.

Yes, I'm also biased. If TAM wasn't in my home city, I'd probably never have gone... and never have been on this forum which I enjoy immensely and learn much from. I find the whole thing serendipitous and therapeutic as well as loads of fun. TAM 2 (the first Vegas TAM) was a birthday gift to me from a boyfriend. I didn't join the forum until TAM3 .. and didn't start posting until after TAM 4.
 
It's my hope that in the future JREF will be in a position to host TAMs in other cities, even multiple times a year, as Jeff alluded to at one point. They might not all be as well-attended as the Vegas TAM (which I think is a good location for the permanent, major TAM), but the interest exists for "mini-TAMs" in other locations. Certainly doable.
 
I thought of another complaint about TAM.

374 days until the next one. :(
 
If you attend TAM next year (I hope, I hope), one trick that works well for the sinus issue is to turn the shower on "nuclear" and close the bathroom door while brushing your teeth, etc. Breathing the steam really helps hydrate your internal tissues. I do this twice a day (morning and night) when I am stuck in Las Vegas for extended stays during conferences.

Perhaps next time you should set up a neti-pot table in the huckster room.

(Does TAM have a huckster/dealer room?)
 
No complaints. Oh wait, I've got one. It ended too early on Sunday. I'd like to see the end move from noon to two or so.
 
Gah.

In 2007, the Skeptic Society had an entire weekend conference devoted to this topic.

After two full days of watching various scientists for hours and hours show essentially the same set of slides, I left not knowing a damned thing more than I knew when I got there (and I am by no means well-versed on the subject), and bored out of my frickin' skull. I was not alone in this. Not even close.

Your experience was not, however, universal. I very much enjoyed the Skeptics Society "Environmental Wars" conference. I thought it was a good mix of long-term history on climate change (Prothero), current scientific evidence on climate change (Schneider), what to do about it from an economic perspective (Arnold), what doesn't work from a regulatory perspective (Adler), what wild and crazy mitigation techniques might be available and what they'll cost (Benford), and a little debate on politicization of science (Mooney vs. Bailey), and a couple of climate change skeptics who didn't really address any of the science presented during the conference (Crichton and Stossel). It was also a chance to see one of Paul MacCready's last public appearances before he died.

Michael Crichton and John Stossel were no Mike Reiss (Simpsons writer who gave a hilarious talk in 2005), but I still thought they provided entertainment.

It was in 2006, by the way.
 
Yes, I mentioned this to Jeff Wagg. We saw plenty of "PowerPoint Abuse" this past weekend at TAM6. I'm going to see if I can gather some resources on this and put together a kit or something that can be given to speakers to avoid this in the future.

I'm a big believer in "less is more" on slides. There are many reasons for this, not the least of which is people are better able to pay attention to the speaker when they aren't reading text off a slide.

But aside from obvious advice, there is a particular need for simpler slides when you are presenting in a gigantic room like that. Something that works in a room of 30 people often won't work in a room of 900. We need to remind the speakers of this, including the ones that are experienced presenters.

Tim Farley did a great job of using the Larry Lessig minimalist presentation approach (one or two words per slide).
 
Not sure if this is a joke or not, but Tim Farley = Krelnik. :D

I didn't realize it at the time I posted, but I do now.

In any case, it wasn't intended as a joke, my appreciation of his presentation method was genuine, I just didn't realize I was responding to a comment by the guy I was complimenting.
 
I didn't realize it at the time I posted, but I do now.

In any case, it wasn't intended as a joke, my appreciation of his presentation method was genuine, I just didn't realize I was responding to a comment by the guy I was complimenting.

That's kind of what I thought. :)

Yes, it was a very good presentation, and I'll be checking out SkepTools in the coming weeks.
 
I didn't realize it at the time I posted, but I do now.

In any case, it wasn't intended as a joke, my appreciation of his presentation method was genuine, I just didn't realize I was responding to a comment by the guy I was complimenting.

Quite all right. He has managed to keep his secret identity as Mild-Mannered Tim Farley well hidden, so hardly anyone knows about his night job as a leotard-wearing Woo Fighter.

Next TAM, watch his butt very closely. You can tell he's got a layer of extra-tight clothing under his normal clothes, just in case a faith healer bursts in.
 
We actually, a few shows ago, had one of the leading Water experts in the country on Skepticality to talk about this. He actually is one of the folks who is the lead Water Scientists for the Las Vegas/Henderson Water Treatment system, and happens to be the guy who wrote that big paper that made international news about drugs in Drinking Water.

It should be of no surprise to people in this forum that the media really turned on the alarm bells about the paper, even though it isn't anything to be really worried about... <sigh>

But, yes, the water in Vegas is perfectly fine, and it isn't going anywhere anytime soon, it is managed quite well. What isn't managed well is the damn media more than anything else. :eye-poppi

The water in Las Vegas consistently meets and exceeds EPA standards and beats most other major cities when examined for contaminants.

http://www.lvvwd.com/assets/pdf/wq_rpt08_treatment.pdf

Well water is much more likely to be contaminated than Las Vegas water which comes primarily from Lake Mead via the Colorado river and Hoover Dam. I think Penn and Teller had a good bulls!hit on this.
 
Other than it took me until Sunday to get the complete lay of the land (I followed people who seemed to know where they were going) and the continual breakfast being a diabetics nightmare, I thought TAM6 rocked!!!
 
I agree. And I have a lot of concerns about the environment in general that Penn and Teller don't really seem to care about.

Just be careful of forming a false dichotomy here. I would guess that they care, they just may not be as informed, or as convinced to the same extent as you.
 
I want to complain on the lack of photographic evidence of me flashing my legs at TAM and wearing a cowboy hat ( I AM seismic_cowgirl!).

:mad:
 
I want to complain on the lack of photographic evidence of me flashing my legs at TAM and wearing a cowboy hat ( I AM seismic_cowgirl!).
:mad:

I was so flummoxed by those great legs that all I could do was snap a fuzzy photo of the cowboy hat.
 

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