Seismosaurus
Philosopher
- Joined
- Mar 15, 2003
- Messages
- 6,092
Er, the Drake equation does factor in time. That's why the final term of it is the time a civilisation can be expected to endure.
amb
Unregistered
- Joined
- Dec 11, 2007
- Messages
- 18,777
Another good example would be a homeopathy medicine.
Diluted down to one billionth part of a teaspoon of water.
Not that I don't believe there's life out there, there's bound to be life somewhere considering the size of our galaxy let alone the universe.
So far things look a little bleak to say the least, in our vicinity anyway.
But it's still worth every cent that's spent, because we are an inquiring creatures that have to know one way or the other. Life may be in abundance out there, but it may be only bacterial type. Intelligence may be rarer than hens teeth. All the more reason to protect our environment and the health of planet Earth.
I don't if if they ever wil or won't find intelligent or non-intelligent ET life. One thing I do know for sure however, if they ever do find life, whatever its form might chance to be, it won't be there due to an infinite sequence of happy accidents.
davefoc
Philosopher
amb
Unregistered
- Joined
- Dec 11, 2007
- Messages
- 18,777
Please don't tell us that if life is found out there ''god did it''
All it it needs is one in a trillion chance and still be possible considering the almost infinite size of the cosmos and almost infinite number of galaxies out there.
Please don't tell us that if life is found out there ''god did it''
All it it needs is one in a trillion chance and still be possible considering the almost infinite size of the cosmos and almost infinite number of galaxies out there.
So happy accidents become happier the more material you provide. I don't buy that.
BTW
Astronomers have never claimed that the universe is infinite.
Last edited:
Jimbo07
Illuminator
- Joined
- Jan 20, 2006
- Messages
- 4,518
I fully agree!
i) The universe has a finite lifespan, so barring a "bouncing" universe, the idea of an infinite sequence of events is almost impossible...
ii) Not all of the accidents will have been happy!
amb
Unregistered
- Joined
- Dec 11, 2007
- Messages
- 18,777
And neither do I.
I said almost infinite.
There are billions of stars in our galaxy alone, and there are billions of galaxies out there. The possibilities are endless
therefore almost infinite.
amb
Unregistered
- Joined
- Dec 11, 2007
- Messages
- 18,777
The more than 90% of life that has become extinct throughout earth's history is testimony to that.I fully agree!
i) The universe has a finite lifespan, so barring a "bouncing" universe, the idea of an infinite sequence of events is almost impossible...
ii) Not all of the accidents will have been happy!
Jimbo07
Illuminator
- Joined
- Jan 20, 2006
- Messages
- 4,518
You're a 1D10T! Nothing became extinct. Satan put those bones there to test our faith. Plus, oil has an abiological origin.
I pray for you!
amb
Unregistered
- Joined
- Dec 11, 2007
- Messages
- 18,777
You mean I can still be saved from damnation by your prayers? Thank you, thank you. I will buy you a beer if we ever meet.
[/QUOTE]Jimbo07
Illuminator
- Joined
- Jan 20, 2006
- Messages
- 4,518
You mean I can still be saved from damnation by your prayers? Thank you, thank you. I will buy you a beer if we ever meet.
No, no, no. It's all more complicated. See, I pray that God will help you see the error of your own ways. Then it is up to you to open your heart to our saviour so that, through your own actions, He can save you from damnation. I mean, you can lead a horse to water, but a pinch in time is worth two in the bush!
Plus, the search for SETI is exactly the same as the search for God. If you don't believe my pastor, then you should believe the actress dressed as a scientist I saw in a movie!
...
Seriously, I'd love that beer!
amb
Unregistered
- Joined
- Dec 11, 2007
- Messages
- 18,777
Except that Seti may one day find that needle in a haystack.No, no, no. It's all more complicated. See, I pray that God will help you see the error of your own ways. Then it is up to you to open your heart to our saviour so that, through your own actions, He can save you from damnation. I mean, you can lead a horse to water, but a pinch in time is worth two in the bush!
Plus, the search for SETI is exactly the same as the search for God. If you don't believe my pastor, then you should believe the actress dressed as a scientist I saw in a movie!
...
Seriously, I'd love that beer!
The search for ''God'' is doomed to failure from the start.
Something that doesn't exist will never be found.
I would believe the actress before any pastor any time. Unless the pastor is discussing non religious matters.
shadron
Philosopher
- Joined
- Sep 2, 2005
- Messages
- 5,918
No, no, no. It's all more complicated. See, I pray that God will help you see the error of your own ways. Then it is up to you to open your heart to our saviour so that, through your own actions, He can save you from damnation. I mean, you can lead a horse to water, but a pinch in time is worth two in the bush!
Plus, the search for SETI is exactly the same as the search for God. If you don't believe my pastor, then you should believe the actress dressed as a scientist I saw in a movie!
...
Seriously, I'd love that beer!
Here's salt on the tail of your hops. Back to the mine!
The difference between SETI and God is the difference in shelling out ten dollars for a sweepstakes ticket and lending the same amount to your uncle to assist him in his research. In fact, that analogy applies in several ways.
I fully agree!
i) The universe has a finite lifespan, so barring a "bouncing" universe, the idea of an infinite sequence of events is almost impossible...
ii) Not all of the accidents will have been happy!
True-but sufficiently numerically happy to get the job done while the unhappy ones not so drastically unhappy as to prevent the happy ones from mimicking a guiding mind.
Jimbo07
Illuminator
- Joined
- Jan 20, 2006
- Messages
- 4,518
a mind made of scrambled eggs, maybe...
All I hear scientists say is how wonderfully complex nature is and marvelling at the way organisms are put together. You probably do the same until someone mentions ID. Then you panic and shift into the heckling and jeckling mode. It's that type of self-contradiction which seriously weakens your case.
Last edited: