Are Truthers' accusations against Silverstein based on latent anti-Semitism?

Looks like Silverstein doesn't get it all anyway... (From April last year)

Under the agreement reached this week, Silverstein and the Port Authority will divide the insurance proceeds and $3.5 billion in Liberty Bonds for the development of the site and receive a $250 million contribution from the state. Silverstein will pay an additional $1.75 billion in rent during his 99-year lease, in exchange for which the government promises to fill more than 1 million square feet of office space with federal, state, and city leases.

Ouch.
 
Now look at the cost of the new WTC7, plus the lease on Ground Zero.
The lease is neglible (50 million per year?) compared to these sums.

How much of the new WTC is Silverstein (or his surrogate company) paying for himself?

Plus, you have to understand, in the financial world, having just 3 billions of hard cash is an entirely different ballpark than having 3 billions worth of property.
 
The lease is neglible (50 million per year?) compared to these sums.

How much of the new WTC is Silverstein (or his surrogate company) paying for himself?

Plus, you have to understand, in the financial world, having just 3 billions of hard cash is an entirely different ballpark than having 3 billions worth of property.

I see that you refuse to come up with numbers.
 
The lease is neglible (50 million per year?) compared to these sums.
So you don't know all the expenses. Shouldn't you know these things before you accuse someone of killing 3000 people? By your estimation that is still a $300 million loss.

How much of the new WTC is Silverstein (or his surrogate company) paying for himself?
That is for you to answer to prove that LS has made "4.4 billion dollars [in] profit." Which you have already have been shown is not anywhere near the figure.

Plus, you have to understand, in the financial world, having just 3 billions of hard cash is an entirely different ballpark than having 3 billions worth of property.
You also have to prove that he has made more money from the buildings collapsing than he would have made without them collapsing.

The burden of proof is on you.
 
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And the reconstruction of the entire WTC area is going so well. The money just continues to pour in!
 
The lease is neglible (50 million per year?) compared to these sums.

How much of the new WTC is Silverstein (or his surrogate company) paying for himself?

Plus, you have to understand, in the financial world, having just 3 billions of hard cash is an entirely different ballpark than having 3 billions worth of property.


Well Silverstein is spending $3.5 billion of insurance proceeds on redevelopment of the site, and has $1.75 billion in rent to pay as well. And that's not even getting started on WTC7. Already he's well and truly over his insurance funds. Doh.
 
And once the rebuilding is completed, how many people are likely to want to occupy the New WTC considering that the previous one suffered at least two terrorist attacks? So, that may cause further loss of revenue.

ETA In case I didn't qualify that enough, this is speculation on my part.
 
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The lease is neglible (50 million per year?) compared to these sums.

How much of the new WTC is Silverstein (or his surrogate company) paying for himself?

Plus, you have to understand, in the financial world, having just 3 billions of hard cash is an entirely different ballpark than having 3 billions worth of property.

And your qualifications to lecture us about the financial world are?
 
Anti-semitic trash on ignore...judging from Richard "cardboardboy" Gage the worst thing for these idiots is when they don't have an audience.
 
Well Silverstein is spending $3.5 billion of insurance proceeds on redevelopment of the site, and has $1.75 billion in rent to pay as well. And that's not even getting started on WTC7. Already he's well and truly over his insurance funds. Doh.
So much wrong there. He doesn't pay $1.75B rent, he pays an additional $1.75B rent in 99 years to his already pre-set lease of $4.95B rent in 99 years - which is the 50 million a year. That means the new lease is some 67 million a year.

But here's the thing: He spends 50 million, +15 million on the insurance, and the next thing that happens is that he can get 4.6 billion from the insurers. Alright, they appeal and it gets toned down to 3.5. It was worth a try, to get 1.1 billion extra cash, not?

65 million immediate expenses. 3.5 billion income.

He gets awarded 250million from the state, which means effectively he didn't have to pay for the last 5 years of the lease.

The (new) lease means a yearly cost of 67 million - plus a probably much higher than before insurance fee - and those will be paid by the future tenants of the new WTC. And a large part of this will again be paid by the government by guaranteeing tenancy.

And how much of the new WTC is paid by him? You guys need to understand how capital works. If you can pay the interest (~3-3.5% a year for long term investments of that scale) you don't need to invest much of your own hard cash to get billions of dollars of investment capital available to build a new WTC. But getting hard cash for yourself (like you do when you get awarded from an insurance) that's an entirely different thing. Liquidity is power.

For Silverstein, who would have had to renovate the building due to the asbestos (which would have cost ridiculous amounts of money and time) the blowing up of the WTC was probably the best deal of his life.
 
Confuseling, metamars, Red I.... Anyone who doesn't believe that the name "Silverstein" doesn't draw the Jew-haters like flies to sugar... OK, who hired Dabljuh to pay us all a visit? He's (assumption: he) is acting like a textbook case. He makes things up, he misstates, he gets everything all confused anyway due to apparent vast and unconquerable ignorance, and it all gets focused on -- his term -- the "dirty jew."
 
Confuseling, metamars, Red I.... Anyone who doesn't believe that the name "Silverstein" doesn't draw the Jew-haters like flies to sugar... OK, who hired Dabljuh to pay us all a visit? He's (assumption: he) is acting like a textbook case. He makes things up, he misstates, he gets everything all confused anyway due to apparent vast and unconquerable ignorance, and it all gets focused on -- his term -- the "dirty jew."
Then I restate my position...the dirty jew-hating piece of inhuman trash is on ignore :)
 
Confuseling, metamars, Red I.... Anyone who doesn't believe that the name "Silverstein" doesn't draw the Jew-haters like flies to sugar... OK, who hired Dabljuh to pay us all a visit? He's (assumption: he) is acting like a textbook case. He makes things up, he misstates, he gets everything all confused anyway due to apparent vast and unconquerable ignorance, and it all gets focused on -- his term -- the "dirty jew."

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Do you even have any proof that Silverstein is a jew or are you just making things up on the spot?
 
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Cromwell has a lot to answer for.

Roundhead, you referred to Silverstein as the "dirty jew." (I happen to know which synagogue he belongs to. Any Manhattanites here can probably guess.)

ETA: abject apology to Roundhead. He isn't involved in this. It was Dabljuh. My typing mistake.
 
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Cromwell has a lot to answer for.

Roundhead, you referred to Silverstein as the "dirty jew." (I happen to know which synagogue he belongs to. Any Manhattanites here can probably guess.)
Why should I believe you? Are you an certified expert on Jewry? Are you keeping track of which people are jews and which ones aren't? Do you have an exhaustive list of jews that may have benefitted from 9/11? Why are you generating such a list?
 
Let's look at Silverstein's incomings and outgoings shall we, in simple terms:

Incomings:
$3500 million insurance from WTC site
$861 million insurance from WTC7
$400 million liberty bonds for WTC7
$3500 million liberty bonds for WTC site
$250 million Federal funds for WTC site
TOTAL $8511 million

Outgoings:
$400 million mortgage on WTC7
$700 million rebuilding of WTC7
$350 million lease on WTC site (2001 to 2008 @ $50 million/yr, although I've seen figures as high as double that)
$19000 million rebuilding of WTC site (based on most recent PANYNJ estimates)
TOTAL $20350 million

(Note: this isn't taking into account Silverstein's other assorted costs such as advertising for new tenants, legal costs for the insurance claims, and so forth)

Now far as my maths goes, looks to me like the destruction of the WTC has cost Silverstein a little under $12 billion dollars, plus seven years (and counting) of lost income and continuing lease payments. Worse yet, with the delays in reconstruction, it's even less likely Silverstein will have the buildings completed by 2012, and if he doesn't he loses the lease which means he won't even have a chance to recover the debt during that 99 year lease of his.
 

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