Are Truthers' accusations against Silverstein based on latent anti-Semitism?

Care to make a similar qualitative analysis of Islamophobia in your favoured news sources pom? ;)


Easy. The "Islamophobia" alleged by America-hating leftists is nonexistent. There is absolutely no evidence for it. Bush, as you know, made a plea for tolerance in the wake of the jihadist attacks, a plea that was largely heeded. I'd ask you to provide an example of "Islamophobia" in my "favorite news sources," but we all get the idea that you have no examples. Sorry, but you have been EXPOSED.
 
Easy. The "Islamophobia" alleged by America-hating leftists is nonexistent. There is absolutely no evidence for it. Bush, as you know, made a plea for tolerance in the wake of the jihadist attacks, a plea that was largely heeded. I'd ask you to provide an example of "Islamophobia" in my "favorite news sources," but we all get the idea that you have no examples. Sorry, but you have been EXPOSED.
Before this swerve gets too far, can we please leave politics out of this thread?
 
This thread is the hate hate, or hate2 thread.

Hate2 is yet another lens or filter through which many (here at least) view 911.


Note the incredible distortion created in this thread by such warped optics.



No, Max, very few of us are capable of discerning any "distortion." Your bluff has been called. Tell us what has been distorted.
 
Well yes pom. I watch the BBC, and they're far left aren't they.

But if I am to hold you to your own standard, then baseless slanders against Islam propagated by right-wing American newspapers are definitive indicators of subliminal racism, are they not?

Or could it be that this whole thing's actually a little more complicated...
 
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Well yes pom. I watch the BBC, and they're far left aren't they.


Yes, the people I know who work for the BBC agree that the network is pretty leftist. Commendably, the Beeb, unlike American networks, has undertaken to examine its bias and rein it in.


But if I am to hold you to your own standard, then baseless slanders against Islam propagated by right-wing American newspapers are definitive indicators of subliminal racism, are they not?

Or could it be that this whole thing's actually a little more complicated...



Your inability to show us any of those baseless slanders exposes the emptiness of your rhetoric. Those slanders, as you know, do not exist.
 
Second Request That The Politics Get Dropped From This Thread


I'm not really following you. Dick Eastman raves about the arcane machinations of the Rothschilds and the Zionists who control the U.S. Congress. He would contend that he is talking politics, but I would counter that he is spouting pure woo. If American newspapers were attempting to promote "Islamophobia," then a discussion of the subject would fall under the heading of "politics." The charge, however, is nonsense: it is conspiratorial vaporizing. The person who claims, against all evidence, that American media try to promote hatred for Islam is a fantasist who wants to impose his fact-free worldview on reality. We're not discussing America's policy toward Israel or Israel's foreign policy here. We're discussing the irrational hatred of Jews that infects the evil movement that seeks to absolve the jihadists of all wrongdoing. An attempt to stand reality on its head by pretending that people who oppose the lies of the fantasy movement are motivated by irrational hatred of Islam is exactly what we should expect.
 
I'm not really following you. Dick Eastman raves about the arcane machinations of the Rothschilds and the Zionists who control the U.S. Congress. He would contend that he is talking politics, but I would counter that he is spouting pure woo. If American newspapers were attempting to promote "Islamophobia," then a discussion of the subject would fall under the heading of "politics." The charge, however, is nonsense: it is conspiratorial vaporizing. The person who claims, against all evidence, that American media try to promote hatred for Islam is a fantasist who wants to impose his fact-free worldview on reality. We're not discussing America's policy toward Israel or Israel's foreign policy here. We're discussing the irrational hatred of Jews that infects the evil movement that seeks to absolve the jihadists of all wrongdoing. An attempt to stand reality on its head by pretending that people who oppose the lies of the fantasy movement are motivated by irrational hatred of Islam is exactly what we should expect.
Reported for this OT politic swerve.
 
Leave it out Enigma; this is a perfect allegory for the debate, which is on topic.

Pom: I'm not trying to pick a fight with you gratuitously here. I agree that there is a lot of vile anti-semitic lunacy in the truth movement - and a lot of it comes from the mouths of vile anti-semitic lunatics.

I'm just trying to draw your attention to the difference, and admittedly, I think a close reading of your posts indicates you agree with me.

There are memes that carry anti-Islam racist connotations in some mainstream media sources. That does not necessarily reflect racism on the part of those stating them. The same, mutatis mutandis, can be said of the truth movement.
 
Leave it out Enigma; this is a perfect allegory for the debate, which is on topic.

Pom: I'm not trying to pick a fight with you gratuitously here. I agree that there is a lot of vile anti-semitic lunacy in the truth movement - and a lot of it comes from the mouths of vile anti-semitic lunatics.



But that's the whole point! A movement that denies the culpability of the jihadist enemy--indeed, denies the existence of the jihadist enemy--will necessarily attract Jew-haters. Its central premise is congenial to those who hold Jews responsible for all the world's evil. Behind the insanity lurks the ideology. Let us agree that believers in Bigfoot and Nessie, however wacky they may be, are not motivated by any particular feeling toward Jews.



I'm just trying to draw your attention to the difference, and admittedly, I think a close reading of your posts indicates you agree with me.

There are memes that carry anti-Islam racist connotations in some mainstream media sources. That does not necessarily reflect racism on the part of those stating them. The same, mutatis mutandis, can be said of the truth movement.


If you are arguing that debunkers are drawn to oppose the fantasy movement as a result of their desire to cast an unfavorable light on Islam, I could not disagree more emphatically.
 
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If you are arguing that debunkers are drawn to oppose the fantasy movement as a result of their desire to cast an unfavorable light on Islam, I could not disagree more emphatically.

Some debunkers, certainly! How could it not be so? That's the whole point metamars was making, I believe - without even an attempt at garnering numbers, these statements equivocate into nothingness.

I'm not trying to draw a direct equivalence: a streak of neo-Fascism is central to the ideological core of the truth movement, and you can't say the same of the American centre right or the debunkers.

But you can certainly say that there are racists among us all, and that some of our talking points serve the purposes, however indirectly, of racists.
 
Some debunkers, certainly! How could it not be so?
Show me one debunker that claims arabs are to stupid to have pulled off 9/11 by themselves and that they live in caves. Now do the same for the vile truth movment and then compare the numbers and tell me who hates arabs as well as jews.
 
Show me one debunker that claims arabs are to stupid to have pulled off 9/11 by themselves and that they live in caves. Now do the same for the vile truth movment and then compare the numbers and tell me who hates arabs as well as jews.

I'm not talking numbers. When it was the other way round, neither were you.

Are you telling me there are no people who debate the truth movement because they hate Arabs or Muslims?
 
I'm not talking numbers. When it was the other way round, neither were you.
Wow....you want to turn it around on me? Sorry...not gonna work.
Are you telling me there are no people who debate the truth movement because they hate Arabs or Muslims?
Meaning that a debunker who hates arabs or muslims debate the vile scum known as the truth movement because the debunker is a racist? That is patently absurd and if that is what you really think then I really believe you are as foolish as those in the truth movement.
 
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Meaning that a debunker who hates arabs or muslims debate the vile scum known as the truth movement because the debunker is a racist? That is patently absurd and if that is what you really think then I really believe you are as foolish as those in the truth movement.

Well, yes sweetheart. I would say that a debunker who hates Arabs or Muslims is probably motivated to debate the truth movement in part because they wish to focus anger onto Arabs or Muslims.

It's that crazy left wing lunacy I suffer. But we all cope.
 
I'm not talking numbers. When it was the other way round, neither were you.

Are you telling me there are no people who debate the truth movement because they hate Arabs or Muslims?


I'm being neither naive nor disingenuous when I say that no debunkers known to me oppose the fantasy movement because of their hostility to Islam. I just don't see this sentiment anywhere.
 
I'm being neither naive nor disingenuous when I say that no debunkers known to me oppose the fantasy movement because of their hostility to Islam. I just don't see this sentiment anywhere.

Latent hostility pom. It's all in the latency. ;)
 
Well, yes sweetheart. I would say that a debunker who hates Arabs or Muslims is probably motivated to debate the truth movement in part because they wish to focus anger onto Arabs or Muslims.

It's that crazy left wing lunacy I suffer. But we all cope.
You could call it that but it is known by another name...
 
I'm being neither naive nor disingenuous when I say that no debunkers known to me oppose the fantasy movement because of their hostility to Islam. I just don't see this sentiment anywhere.
Claiming that debunkers are debunkers because they are racist against arabs or muslims is total stark raving lunacy of the kind that should be in a padded cell.
 

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