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Merged U.S.O.'s...what if...

King of the Americas said:
I don't think they ARE "E.T.'s"...

I think they have always been here. They didn't 'come' from anywhere, but rather they are 'based' in our oceans or possibly the dark side of the moon.

As early as men could scrape on cave walls, he pictoralized 'agents in the Heavens', and we see them still today, maintaining similiar forms across time and the world itself.

I don't believe they are "extra-terresterial", no more than we are. Men fly in the Heavens now, and have put feet to the Moon. I just know that 'I' have seen, with mine own eyes, 'things' flying in the night's skies, that did feats & manuvers beyond that of 'humanly' piloted vehicle capability.

I saw 2 objects come together and make a 4X bigger object, than either of the single units, and then seperated again, to go opposite ways. To MY knowledge, 'we' don't have anything that does that...do we?
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Yes But can you say with any certainty that what you saw is objects from another world. I have seen satelites in the night sky (or it's the only thing that made any sense) just tracking right along. Now even though I believe in the concept of life elsewhere I also have to consider they would have to have pretty fantastic tech to be even make it to earth.
 
King of the Americas said:
Neither me nor my cohort were under the influence of drugs or alcohol...and we both saw the afore mention feat, looked toward one another and asked, "Did you just see..." "...one combine with another one, and then split apart?" "Yeah, I saw that too..."

Could we have BOTH suffered the exact same misperception? Maybe.

Then again, maybe we saw something 'else', as of yet unexplained.

I only hold that they need NOT be "extra-terresterial", given their appearance throughout our known written & painted history.
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Given there is nothing other than anecdotal evidence for the existence of ET's, moon bases, and underwater civilizations don't you think it is more likely your eyes were fooled by atmospheric conditions or you did in fact witness secret government technology?

Anybody have updates on poor algar's widow?
 
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King of the Americas said:
Neither me nor my cohort were under the influence of drugs or alcohol...and we both saw the afore mention feat, looked toward one another and asked, "Did you just see..." "...one combine with another one, and then split apart?" "Yeah, I saw that too..."

Could we have BOTH suffered the exact same misperception? Maybe.

Then again, maybe we saw something 'else', as of yet unexplained.

I only hold that they need NOT be "extra-terresterial", given their appearance throughout our known written & painted history.
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It's possible they were very small insects that were flying reasonably close to you and your friend.

This illusion happened to me the other day. I'd been fooled into thinking a small object close to me was actually a large object further away.

People aren't accurate at judging depth and speed when looking at the sky and you seem to be against the idea that you were fooled by an illusion.

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Turnbell (1961) - Turnbull brought a pygmy out to a vast plain where a herd of buffalo was grazing in the distance. The pygmy said that he had never seen one of those insects before!

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I'm sure some tiny insects could do the motions you describe.

Would you entertain this as a possibility?

Cue.
 
Firstly, I'd like to state that I am an amature astronomer, meaning that I enjoying looking at the night's sky through a pair of tripod mounted binoculars. I know where and what to look for in a planet, star, satelite, and plane...but in no way claim to be perfect at doing so.

The 'objects' I saw were brightly lite, and 'undulating' in colors of red, white, and blue. They 'performed' ariel feats unattainable by human pilots. Our planes 'bank' as they turn. They 'arch' through the sky, even the directional exhaust of the F-22 Raptor can't achieve the "right-angle turns" these craft managed repeatedly.

All that said, I make NO claim that they were from another planet, or that I KNOW they are based on the Moon or under the sea.

My ONLY claim or stance is that they NEED NOT BE 'from' anywhere but HERE, or locally located in an as of yet unexplored region.

They have ALWAYS been 'here' according to our written, painted, or carved history.

My point is that we know very little about several places, nearby. There is no need to place these "U.F.O.'s" origin in some far thrown distant place.

They, who or whatever 'they' is or are, have been here for as long as has been preserved.

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All that said, I will conceed, that it is possible, that all of these recorders throughout time, AND myself along with my companion, COULD have been mistaken...

Possible...although not probably, in my opinion.
 
King of the Americas said:
Firstly, I'd like to state that I am an amature astronomer, meaning that I enjoying looking at the night's sky through a pair of tripod mounted binoculars. I know where and what to look for in a planet, star, satelite, and plane...but in no way claim to be perfect at doing so.

The 'objects' I saw were brightly lite, and 'undulating' in colors of red, white, and blue. They 'performed' ariel feats unattainable by human pilots. Our planes 'bank' as they turn. They 'arch' through the sky, even the directional exhaust of the F-22 Raptor can't achieve the "right-angle turns" these craft managed repeatedly.

All that said, I make NO claim that they were from another planet, or that I KNOW they are based on the Moon or under the sea.

My ONLY claim or stance is that they NEED NOT BE 'from' anywhere but HERE, or locally located in an as of yet unexplored region.

They have ALWAYS been 'here' according to our written, painted, or carved history.

My point is that we know very little about several places, nearby. There is no need to place these "U.F.O.'s" origin in some far thrown distant place.

They, who or whatever 'they' is or are, have been here for as long as has been preserved.

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All that said, I will conceed, that it is possible, that all of these recorders throughout time, AND myself along with my companion, COULD have been mistaken...

Possible...although not probably, in my opinion.
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So what your saying is these are alien craft that just stick around here on earth and only come out at night for your enjoyment. Well then how did they get here? Is there a colony of alien beings maintaining these aircraft?
You say that no human flown aircraft could do the things you saw but how can you say an alien ET aircraft could?
 
chillzero said:
Haven't had time to look yet - will try over the weekend.

Can people please not derail my Merseyside aliens thread with stuff from Texas?
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Sorry for the continued derail Chill, but I just want it on record that those of us from East Texas do not support any goofy ET UFO fantasies that may be held by our neighbors across the tracks in North Central Texas.

Thank you for understanding
 
King of the Americas said:
They have ALWAYS been 'here' according to our written, painted, or carved history.
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Please provide examples you feel provide historical evidence of UFOs that are unlikely to have referred to perfectly mundane (albeit unknown or impressive to older civilisations) natural and astronomical activity.
 
King of the Americas said:
I think they have always been here. They didn't 'come' from anywhere, but rather they are 'based' in our oceans or possibly the dark side of the moon.

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As early as men could scrape on cave walls, he pictoralized 'agents in the Heavens', and we see them still today, maintaining similiar forms across time and the world itself.
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I just wanted to point out two little details here. There isn't a "dark side" of the moon, unless you mean that side that sun isn't illuminating on this part of the lunar day.

Secondly, early human cave art was used to relate tales of the hunt, not aliens.
 
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Just to get this straight, is there an argument somewhere in all this that U.S.O. shows/performers are being transported from show to show by U.F.O.s ?

And if there isn't, is something here connecting th two things?
 
King of the Americas said:
...snip...The 'objects' I saw were brightly lite, and 'undulating' in colors of red, white, and blue. They 'performed' ariel feats unattainable by human pilots. Our planes 'bank' as they turn. They 'arch' through the sky, even the directional exhaust of the F-22 Raptor can't achieve the "right-angle turns" these craft managed repeatedly...snip...
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No. In your perception, they appeared to do these things. With no frame of reference, your mind filled in the blanks with what you assumed you were seeing, from your reference point of knowing how human piloted craft, birds, etc. perform in the air.

Are you claiming you saw the actual "object"? Or just lights?
 
King of the Americas said:
Credible evidence...?

Hummm...

What is the standard for or of proof?

I mean is an accredited pilot's statement, 'credible evidence'? Is digital video, credible evidence? I think not.

This being a scientific community, what is required here is 'testible' reliable absolute proof, and that is sorely lacking here.
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Did they pop their hatch in New York harbor and admit to voting for George W. Bush!
 
Loss Leader said:
KotA, here's what you're asking: Is X more or less likely than Y?

X = UFO/USO's are from outer space.
Y = UFO/USO's are from non-humans on earth.

In deciding which is more or less likely, we need to examine the credible evidence. But we have no evidence whatsoever that favors one theory. The world's best and most reliable pilot might have seen a UFO. Let's agree that he did. let's agree that Chuck Yeager, the Pope, sixteen sober federal judges and Elliot Ness all saw a UFO. That doesn't do anything for your question.

They could have seen a UFO from space or a UFO from some sea creature. They wouldn't be able to tell the difference and neither can we.

As an example, I'll ask you: What markings or other visible charactaristics identify a UFO as being from a sea creature rather than a space alien?

You have no idea. The information doesn't exist.

And that's the bottom line. NO information exists.

Which is more likely? Neither is more likely. Both are equally likely/unlikely. We have absolutely zero evidence to even begin to guess.

So stop thinking about it.
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'We' can go underwater, and even limitedly explore the ocean floors and the 'dark side' of the Moon.

'We' have NOT been able to travel to another solar system, or yet to another galaxy...

...so in MY reasoning, 'I' believe it is more likely that U.F.O.'s are 'locally' based.

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We have TONS & TONS of 'non-conclusive' evidence that U.F.O.'s piloted by non-humans DO indeed exist, here, throughout our history. By 'non-conclusive', I mean of course 'untestible'.

I think it is the height of arrogance to suggest or hold that because there is not yet scientific proof, that they definately don't exist.

They DO exist, we just can't prove it right now...
 
King of the Americas said:
'We' can go underwater, and even limitedly explore the ocean floors and the 'dark side' of the Moon.

'We' have NOT been able to travel to another solar system, or yet to another galaxy...

...so in MY reasoning, 'I' believe it is more likely that U.F.O.'s are 'locally' based.

We have TONS & TONS of 'non-conclusive' evidence that U.F.O.'s piloted by non-humans DO indeed exist, here, throughout our history. By 'non-conclusive', I mean of course 'untestible'.

I think it is the height of arrogance to suggest or hold that because there is not yet scientific proof, that they definately don't exist.

They DO exist, we just can't prove it right now...
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In another thread, I'm pretending to be a doctor. Come there so I can diagnose you.
 
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